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LONG KNIVES OUT AFTER BORDER BILL ("It wasn't the people's will. And they were heard.")
NY POST ^ | July 2, 2007 | ROBERT D. NOVAK

Posted on 07/02/2007 3:24:25 AM PDT by Liz

I asked one of the few conservative Republican senators who stuck with President Bush on immigration to assess how Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell handled the issue. Asking not to be quoted by name, he replied: "If this were a war, Sen. McConnell should be relieved of command for dereliction of duty." Not only did the minority leader end up voting against an immigration bill that he said was better than the 2006 version that he supported, but he also abandoned his post, keeping off the floor during final stages of Senate debate.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; blowbackfordubya; bordercrossers; congress; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; novak; p2p; robertnovak; sellouts; senatescoundrels; shamnesty; vampirebill
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The faces of defeat.

Don't look too happy, do they?

1 posted on 07/02/2007 3:24:32 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

2 posted on 07/02/2007 3:35:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Liz; All
Take this for what it's worth- an anecdote from a small southern city, population 16,000.

Local talk radio is about what you'd expect- mostly local issues... the school board, zoning, some state and national stuff.

Even the token liberals who call in usually aren't too bad, except when they regurgitate DNC talking points...

I have never before ( not even during the worst of the Clinton years ) heard so much white-hot, sputtering, stuttering anger over any other issue than this one.

I recognize nearly all the regular callers by voice- we have never had so many new callers, so damn mad they could hardly talk.

Their voices shook with anger, disgust, and revulsion that so many of our so-called "representatives" could act in such an insensitive, high-handed fashion towards the people they allegedly represent.

Will they remember all this come the next election?

I can't say, except to say that if they do, incumbents- regardless of party- are in a heap O' trouble.

3 posted on 07/02/2007 3:37:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Liz
the death of the republican party as we know it.

what a disgrace.

4 posted on 07/02/2007 3:39:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Life is an episode of Green Acres. THEN you die.)
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To: backhoe

"Ted. The stupid dhimmis who THINK they are are our constitutents say they will remember
what we did. Not a chance it will matter. "

5 posted on 07/02/2007 3:41:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Liz

Novak attributes the opposition to “xenophobia.” We’re all just neurotic you know.


6 posted on 07/02/2007 3:42:46 AM PDT by Graymatter (New legislators. No new laws. ... Let's clean house. And senate.)
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To: Diogenesis

( My tagline is a true story... )

7 posted on 07/02/2007 3:44:33 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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To: Liz

Novak reaches a new low here:

“.. its opponents reacted to the xenophobia of their backers ...”

When you can’t stun em with the FACTS- go for distortion.

Novak must be willfully UNAWARE of what was in the bill- yet is only too happy to smear us all as racists. He’s an ignorant fool.


8 posted on 07/02/2007 3:48:41 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the expressive pics.

Maybee another post with the “happy” vs. the “sad” labeled:

BEFORE AND AFTER!

LOL


9 posted on 07/02/2007 3:49:48 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: name one country, other than the USA, that doesn't control its borders.)
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To: melancholy

Maybee should be Maybe.


10 posted on 07/02/2007 3:50:38 AM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: name one country, other than the USA, that doesn't control its borders.)
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To: SE Mom

How Novak ever got a job beyond driving a cab I’ll never know.

Who can say with any seriousness that he should be a public personality, or that his thoughts merit publication?


11 posted on 07/02/2007 3:53:29 AM PDT by Stallone (THE FENCE - Build it, and they won't come)
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To: Graymatter

Not only did he accuse voters of being xenophobic he said it would cost the Republicans the Hispanic vote. I would exchange that for the Reagan Democrats coming back.


12 posted on 07/02/2007 3:56:58 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the realtime input-——underlines once again what I have contended from the getgo:

Grassroots opposition to amnesty is a rare consensus issue which joined together all segments of the political spectrum.

Too bad the dumbos on Capitol Hill failed to realize that salient fact.

Challengers to these dumbos need only mention “amnesty” to attract droves of voters.


13 posted on 07/02/2007 3:59:56 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Liz

“Republicans drove another nail in George W. Bush’s political coffin and undermined hopes for the growing, winnable Hispanic vote.”

First, Mr. Novak, George Bush does not need any help driving nails into his coffin. He has proven himself quite capable (could be hereditary).

Winnable Hispanic vote?

All of my adult life, I have been a fan of Robert Novak. But when reading this particular column, I am unsure if that will continue.


14 posted on 07/02/2007 4:01:07 AM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: backhoe

“I have never before ( not even during the worst of the Clinton years ) heard so much white-hot, sputtering, stuttering anger over any other issue than this one.
I recognize nearly all the regular callers by voice- we have never had so many new callers, so damn mad they could hardly talk.
Their voices shook with anger, disgust, and revulsion that so many of our so-called “representatives” could act in such an insensitive, high-handed fashion towards the people they allegedly represent.
Will they remember all this come the next election?
I can’t say, except to say that if they do, incumbents- regardless of party- are in a heap O’ trouble.”

This is EXACTLY why I say that the so-called “Death of the Senate Bill” issues are, IMO, only temporary, will be THE most important issue leading into ‘08, and I believe that the winner of the primary and 2008 elections will be the Republican candidate who’s previous proven record and clearest ‘no amnesty’ message, reflect the STRONGEST PRO BORDER SECURITY, ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND ANTI-CFR/NAU position to the American people.

Since there is NO Democratic candidate who brings this to the table, if Republicans unite behind THE Republican candidate who does, we CAN WIN ‘08!!!

But we cannot push another ‘bush’ and therefore, that candidate IMO, can NOT and must NOT be another Open Borders Lobby...CFRer or NAFTApusher.

CFRers:

Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

If you are aware of others, please let me know.


15 posted on 07/02/2007 4:01:51 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Diogenesis; backhoe
The world's greatest deliberative body.

Couldn't capture the stack of Hustler magazines in there----for when they "deliberate."

16 posted on 07/02/2007 4:04:18 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: SE Mom; Graymatter
“.. its opponents reacted to the xenophobia of their backers ...”

Not to be confused with XenAphobia


17 posted on 07/02/2007 4:09:45 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: David Isaac
Winnable Hispanic vote?

Balderdash.

The sap-happy idea that latin hyphenates would "go" Repub is evidence of mounting hyphenate insanity on Capitol Hill.

Moreover, to try to win reelection by corrupting the Constitution and undermining our sacrosanct rule of law is tantamount to treason.

18 posted on 07/02/2007 4:11:16 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: SE Mom
Novak reaches a new low here: “.. its opponents reacted to the xenophobia of their backers" ............ When you can’t stun em with the FACTS---go for distortion.

Novak's flippin' nuts.

19 posted on 07/02/2007 4:14:22 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: backhoe

That was the same in this area. Local talk was bombarded with talk of the bill. Known dems. were upset too.


20 posted on 07/02/2007 4:17:45 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Liz; Kimberly GG
Something to keep in mind about my little corner of the world is that, being in the Deep South, it was 80% Democrat until Ronald Reagan came along.

Before 1980, I cannot recall a single Republican holding office around here.

My point, I guess, is that people here, regardless of declared party, are old-fashioned conservative- strong on the military, support the Bill of Rights, don't like too much government annoying them in their private lives.

This Illegal Alien Invasion thing has cut across party lines and brought people back together like nothing I've ever seen before.

All people here have to do, is look around, see how their neighborhoods are changing- for the worse- and notice how property values are dropping... who wants to live next to a duplex with front an back yards full of new cars and trucks, 10 families in the duplex, and three satellite dishes sprouting in the yard?

21 posted on 07/02/2007 4:20:41 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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To: Liz
I hate Amnesty with almost the disdain that I hold for old “snaggle tooth’ here. Novak... a poser placed to bring down Conservatives wherever possible. He is the very definition of “covert agent for evil”!

LLS

22 posted on 07/02/2007 4:28:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“the death of the republican party as we know it.”

... or the birth of a Republican Party we want.

LLS


23 posted on 07/02/2007 4:29:20 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: backhoe
This Illegal Alien Invasion thing has cut across party lines and brought people back together like nothing I've ever seen before. All people here have to do, is look around, see how their neighborhoods are changing- for the worse- and notice how property values are dropping... who wants to live next to a duplex with front an back yards full of new cars and trucks, 10 families in the duplex, and three satellite dishes sprouting in the yard?

That about sums it up. Thanks.

BTW, I hear some Americans have beem forced to witness these hyphenates slaughtering goats in their front yards (a disgusting mehican ritual).

24 posted on 07/02/2007 4:30:18 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: SE Mom

He knows the content... he is a dim... he now poses as a Conservative!

LLS


25 posted on 07/02/2007 4:30:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: SE Mom

Novak and all proponents of that bill are encouraging racism by their remarks.

Keeping the borders open is NOT in the best interest of national security, one would think that Chernoff would realize that.

Allowing millions of unknowns into this country and rewarding them is outrageous! But the greedy companies and greedy globalists don’t care about national security or the fact that China is trying to poison us and our pets.


26 posted on 07/02/2007 4:31:20 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A AND the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief.)
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To: Kimberly GG

That is one of the *soundest* reasons I’ve heard yet to elect Rep. Duncan Hunter as our next US president. Otherwise, the status quo will continue.


27 posted on 07/02/2007 4:32:57 AM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: Liz
Challengers to these dumbos need only mention “amnesty” to attract droves of voters.

I'd bet that Hillary would be the first to begin extolling the evils of the "amnesty" bill, blaming the Republicans as being "soft on illegals."

28 posted on 07/02/2007 4:36:52 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Liz

Col. George Custer would have lived to see his grandchildren if he’d have had the good sense of Mitch McConnell. Discretion was definitely the better part of valor.


29 posted on 07/02/2007 4:39:50 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SE Mom; Graymatter

Novak does a poor job of disguising his informant — John Kyl.


30 posted on 07/02/2007 4:42:22 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Graymatter

Well Novak can just kiss my ass then.


31 posted on 07/02/2007 4:50:37 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (If there's lead in the air,there's hope.)
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To: Liz
Novak writes, "It is difficult to exaggerate the pessimism about the immediate political future voiced by Republicans in Congress when not on the record. With an unpopular president waging an unpopular war, they see electoral catastrophe in 2008."

I unfortunately agree with this assessment.

32 posted on 07/02/2007 4:51:16 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: SE Mom

I like,¨ heir oppents reacted tio the will of the voters¨,ch better.¨


33 posted on 07/02/2007 4:58:07 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Liz
One thing I neglected to point out is the change in tenor of calls, over this issue, in the last 5 or 6 years.

It used to be that most callers were grudging admirers- "hard working, God-fearing, love their families" was a typical conversation.

That changed recently, and I think the driver behind it is the rash of car wrecks involving presumably illegal aliens.

A typical tale is "I was proceeding lawfully, when out of nowhere this car runs into me, and everybody in the car bails out and runs away. The police get there, and they say 'there's nothing we can do about this...'"

This happened to the daughter of a friend of mine- she escaped with bruises, but her car was totaled, and the police didn't do a damned thing towards tracking down the runners.

Haven't seen The Goat Ritual ( yet! ) but then again, I haven't peeked down the street this morning, either...

34 posted on 07/02/2007 4:59:36 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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To: Liz
xenophobia

Beltway Bob, another useless propagandist.

35 posted on 07/02/2007 5:19:22 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: backhoe

Will we remember come election day? You betcha.


36 posted on 07/02/2007 5:23:26 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: backhoe
The Republicans have some serious problems, yet many of them are in denial.

The Republican President pushes an amnesty for illegals bill.

The Republican Senate passed this bill in 2006. The Republican House, however, tables it.

The Republicans lost both Houses in 2007.

Nancy was going to clean up the House.

Hillary says she is going to clean up the White House.

The Republican President pushes an amnesty for illegals bill. He now has “a Congress I wan work with”.

The Democratic Senate killed this bill by defeating it in the spring of 2007.

The Republican President pushes for resurrecting the amnesty for illegals bill.

The Senate Republicans helped resurrect this dead bill.

The Democratic Senate killed this bill by defeating it in the summer of 2007.

==

The Republicans have serious problems with their leadership. They need to clean their own internal house. They have lost credibility with the American pubic.

They had their heads buried in sand in 2006 and lost both Houses. They are still in denial.

The voters associated this push for amnesty for illegals with George W and the Republican leaders.

Whether by design or dumb luck, the amnesty bill, its initial defeat, the President reviving it, the Republicans pushing it, makes the Dems look better than the Pubbies.

The Republicans need to clean up their own party, and they need to start now. Otherwise, they are going to be the minority for another 40 years.

The election of 2006 gave the Republicans notice.

The election of 2008 may be a severe remedial lesson.

The Republicans need to shake off their denial and realize they have serious problems, get their heads out of the sand, take off the blinders, deal with the internal party policies and leadership problems.

37 posted on 07/02/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
The Republicans need to shake off their denial and realize they have serious problems, get their heads out of the sand, take off the blinders, deal with the internal party policies and leadership problems.

Absolutely.

38 posted on 07/02/2007 5:47:30 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so Easy to spend somebody else's Money..."[ My Dad. circa 1958 ])
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To: All

I find it hilarious when I see a pundit allude to “racism” being at the root of opposition to this piece of tripe legislation. If you want to see naked, unbridled hostility toward the illegal immigrant community, simply ask the black community what they think of the Latinos invading this country and threatening to put them on the back of the bus...


39 posted on 07/02/2007 5:54:35 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Liz
Republicans drove another nail in George W. Bush's political coffin and undermined hopes for the growing, winnable Hispanic vote. Contending the time "wasn't now" for immigration, McConnell added: "It wasn't the people's will. And they were heard." He was blaming Republican failure on his fellow citizens, which seldom works in politics.

Novak is such an a$$ and clueless. This was a win for the people. Only 26% of the people supported the bill yet the political elites tried to ram it down our throats. Novak also fails to mention that 15 Dems [including Sanders] voted against cloture as part of the total of 53. Only 12 Reps voted for cloture along with 34 Dems. In point of fact this was a Dem bill supported by the WH.

40 posted on 07/02/2007 5:54:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Diogenesis

Most excellent! Thanks.


41 posted on 07/02/2007 5:57:55 AM PDT by doberville
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To: David Isaac
Winnable Hispanic vote?

Trying to figure out GW's motives is mindboggling during his 2nd term. Dubia, Miers, Amnesty round 1, round 2, round 3.

With the amnesty deal, it strucke me when I saw an article a week or so previous that mentioned nephew George P's popularity.

Perhaps, GW's motives were more personal/family than for the good of the nation. Perhaps he desire to bring 11-30 million Hispanics into the fold was to set the groundwork for Jeb (who has an Hispanic wife) to run in 2012 or George P (who is Hispanic) to run in 20 years or so. Legalizing now would make for a sizeable Hispanic voting block that might show their appreciation by voting Jeb or GP in in the future. The question is: How many no-more-Bushs conservatives would 11-30 million Hispanic voting block cancel out in a general election?
42 posted on 07/02/2007 5:58:37 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Diogenesis

Most excellent! Thanks.


43 posted on 07/02/2007 5:59:32 AM PDT by doberville
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To: TomGuy
Whether by design or dumb luck, the amnesty bill, its initial defeat, the President reviving it, the Republicans pushing it, makes the Dems look better than the Pubbies

Disagree. It was the Republicans [conservatives] that defeated this bill that was supported in the Senate primarily by Dems. Sessions, Vitter, DeMint, and Cornyn became the face of the opposition in the Senate who defied the political leadership of Lott and McConnell and the WH. Although 15 Dems eventually voted no to cloture, there is no doubt in the public's mind that it was the Rep party that stood tall and defeated a bill only 26% of the public supported. On this issue, the Reps looked better than the Dems, the WH aside.

44 posted on 07/02/2007 6:00:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Unfortunately, the ‘Pubbies are going to the blame for the bill; it was pushed by a Republican President and championed by the Republican Senate Minority Leader, and by serveral high-profile Republican Senators. The bill would never have stood a chance if the ‘Pubbies had opposed it in a united fashion.
It may be a Democrat bill, but the ‘Pubbies are going to get the blame.


45 posted on 07/02/2007 6:05:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: saganite

You make a good point. The reason the backlash was so successful is precisely because it included democrats along with republicans.

In 2006 alot of voters voted for conservative democrats. DNC Rahm Emanuel admitted that for the democrats to have a chance at taking Congress they would have to recruit and allow in conservatives.

The key to stopping Hillary in 2008 is to unite conservatives from all corners including Reagan democrats.


46 posted on 07/02/2007 6:09:45 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Liz
"xenophobia"

This is getting tiresome.

'Un-American', 'Bigots', 'Racists', 'Nativists', 'Troglodytes' (my personal fav), NAZIS (yesterday's NY Slimes) and now 'Xenophobes'.

Well, sorry oh Masters of The Universe but name calling won't work. As my mama used to tell me, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'. Plus, I've been called worse by better.

Now enforce the dam laws, deport the ILLEGALS aaaaaand build the freaking FENCE!

47 posted on 07/02/2007 6:10:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Liz

“BTW, I hear some Americans have beem forced to witness these hyphenates slaughtering goats in their front yards (a disgusting mehican ritual).”

A couple of years ago, the police were called to an apartment complex in a small suburban town outside of Boston because yes, the residents were roasting a goat in the front yard on a Sunday afternoon.


48 posted on 07/02/2007 6:12:44 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: imahawk

Beltway Bob Novak, another useless propagandist...yeah he is a useful idiot and should be in a cell along with the rest of the Plamegate Liars, Russert, Fitzgerald, Tenant, Wilson, Plame, Powell, Gonzales ... a veritable wall of shame!


49 posted on 07/02/2007 6:12:56 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: bimbo
I'd bet that Hillary would be the first to begin extolling the evils of the "amnesty" bill, blaming the Republicans as being "soft on illegals."

I used to listen to talkshow host Rusty Humphries. In 2002, he talked about an internal memo by the GOP leadership he had obtained. That memo warned nationwide GOP candidates to avoid the illegals/immigration issue.

Recall that few Republicans during that time would even mention and certain not run on a platform regarding immigration.

The immigration/illegals issue was sidestepped until Hillary Clinton brought it to the forefront around 2004 or 2005.

Like it or not, most stuff related to immigration/illegals was ignored, done quitely, kept very low key -- until hClinton addressed the issue. Then, and only then, did politicians from both parties start trying to jump out ahead of the issue.

[Of course, since she addressed the issue, she has flipflopped all over the place, being for, then against, then sidestepping, etc. But she did cause it to become one of the top 3 or 4 issues of concern by the public.]
50 posted on 07/02/2007 6:13:12 AM PDT by TomGuy
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