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Swift, deadly F-14 Tomcats being shredded into bits at D-M 'boneyard'
ARIZONA DAILY STAR [TUCSON] ^ | 3JUL07 | Sharon Theimer

Posted on 07/03/2007 4:24:12 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru

A mechanical monster grabs the F-14 fighter jet and chews through one wing and then another, ripping off the Tomcat's appendages before moving on to its guts.

Finally, all that's left is a pile of shredded rubble — like the scraps from a Thanksgiving turkey. Within a workday, a $38 million fighter jet that once soared as a showpiece of U.S. air power can be destroyed at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, home to the military's "boneyard" for retired aircraft.

The Pentagon is paying a contractor at least $900,000 to destroy old F-14s, a jet affectionately nicknamed "the turkey," rather than sell the parts at the risk of their falling into the wrong hands, including Iran's.

"There were things getting to the bad guys, so to speak," said Tim Shocklee, founder and executive vice president of TRI-Rinse Inc. in St. Louis. "And one of the ways to make sure that no one will ever use an F-14 again is to cut them into little 2-by-2-foot bits."

The Defense Department had intended to destroy spare parts unique to the F-14 but sell thousands of others that could be used on other aircraft. It suspended sales of all Tomcat parts after The Associated Press reported in January that buyers for Iran, China and other countries had exploited gaps in surplus-sale security to acquire sensitive U.S. military gear, including F-14 parts.

Among other tactics, middlemen for the countries misrepresented themselves to gain access to the Defense Department's surplus sales or bought sensitive surplus from U.S. companies that had acquired it from Pentagon auctions and weren't supposed to allow its export. Investigators also found some sensitive items accidentally slipping into surplus auctions rather than being destroyed as they were supposed to be.

Iran is the only country trying to keep Tomcats airworthy. The United States let Iran buy the F-14s in the 1970s when it was an ally, long before President Bush named it part of an "axis of evil."

Shocklee's company won a three-year, $3.7 million contract to render surplus equipment useless for military purposes. The work includes the recent demolition of 23 Tomcats in Arizona, accounting for about $900,000 of TRI-Rinse's contract. The military is considering using the same process on its other F-14s.

The company has developed portable shredding machinery so the Pentagon can have sensitive items destroyed on a base instead of shipping them long distances to be shredded. The Tomcat was a strike fighter with a striking price tag: roughly $38 million. By the 1980s it was a movie star with a leading role in the Tom Cruise classic "Top Gun." But as the planes are mangled into unrecognizable metal chunks, the jets with a 38-foot wingspan appear small and vulnerable.

The shearing machine, which uses pincers to rip apart the planes, weighs 100,000 pounds. The shredder is 120,000 pounds. An F-14 weighs about 40,000 pounds.

Among the shredded victims in Arizona: a plane flown by the "Tophatters" squadron, which led the first airstrike in Afghanistan when the U.S. invaded in October 2001.

The Pentagon retired its F-14s last fall. At last count, the military's boneyard in Arizona held 165 Tomcats, believed to be the only ones left out of 633 produced for the Navy. The others were scavenged for parts to keep others flying, went to museums or crashed, said Teresa Vanden-Heuvel, spokeswoman for the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group.

As powerful as the grinding machinery is, it can't shred all of the F-14. The landing gear — built to withstand the force of slamming onto an aircraft carrier's deck — must be cut by hand with a demolition torch.


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One of the last five F-14A Tomcats taxis into Tucson's Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center. The Navy plane made famous in the moving "Top Gun" was retired from military service in September 2004 and flown to its final desert resting place.

1 posted on 07/03/2007 4:24:13 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru
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To: IonImplantGuru
Very sad to see this...and just plain stupid if you ask me. Aircraft, tanks, naval vessels, many of them with many years service life remaining are being destroyed, sunk, doen away with, when at least some good part of them should be a part of our reserve in case of a major military confrontation. Lord knows we would need them until we could get our own manufacturing and steel production back up to speed in that event.
2 posted on 07/03/2007 4:26:57 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: IonImplantGuru
It’s terrible seeing such a beautiful aircraft being shredded but its better than having the parts going to our potential enemies,mainly Iran.

Iran had a large fleet of Tomcats and I'm sure they would love to get the parts to make those planes flyable again.

3 posted on 07/03/2007 4:28:34 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: IonImplantGuru

4 posted on 07/03/2007 4:29:36 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Did you have to show the picture of the F-14 being destroyed? It was an incredible platform. Wish some had been saved and hope the Iranians don`t have any that still fly.


5 posted on 07/03/2007 4:33:31 PM PDT by bybybill (HUNT RINOS IN THE PRIMARIES, SKIN RATS IN THE FALL)
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To: IonImplantGuru
The work includes the recent demolition of 23 Tomcats in Arizona, accounting for about $900,000 of TRI-Rinse's contract.

Am I the only one who feels a bit sick when I see those beautiful birds being destroyed?

6 posted on 07/03/2007 4:33:46 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Jeff Head

It is not like they have run out of room to store them.


7 posted on 07/03/2007 4:34:47 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: IonImplantGuru

A decade ago the Navy’s A-6’s were all made into octopuses’ gardens.

I.e. “artificial reefs.”


8 posted on 07/03/2007 4:34:51 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Jeff Head
Very sad to see this...and just plain stupid if you ask me.

Yes, it's sad, but it is rational. The planes are old, and the technology is way behind the times. They were great for their time, but the technology has advanced, and so must naval aviation.

9 posted on 07/03/2007 4:41:43 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; Wright is right!; ..
Must be a maudlin experience, flying a one way final flight in birds like these, knowing that after lunch at the Davis-Montham O-club you're going to have to fly as passenger in some nondescript USAF biz jet to get back to home base.

One nice thing if one works around TUS (Tucson Int'l) is that the guys in the tower regularly invite incoming 'last flight' birds to come on over for a low-level pass in review, after which the planes head over to D-M (about 5 miles NE) to their last landing.

If a plane is going into storage, the pilot and whoever is along for the ride will usually sign the fuselage under a 'goodbye' note ... but if AMARG is just going to grind up the bird right away, even that little grace note seems a bit futile.

10 posted on 07/03/2007 4:42:23 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (()
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To: IonImplantGuru

If the cost to destroy them is more than the salvage income from the scrap metal, why don’t then simply remove engines, weapons and avionics (and any other spooky stuff) and give them to VFW and Legion posts, etc.

We have a B-52 (a Dog model, I believe) on display at Orlando International. She looks great.


11 posted on 07/03/2007 4:53:40 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Nice pic!


12 posted on 07/03/2007 4:56:52 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Jeff Head
Very sad to see this...and just plain stupid if you ask me. Aircraft, tanks, naval vessels, many of them with many years service life remaining are being destroyed, sunk, doen away with, when at least some good part of them should be a part of our reserve in case of a major military confrontation. Lord knows we would need them until we could get our own manufacturing and steel production back up to speed in that event.

I agree that it's sad to see it, and it is certainly possible to mothball planes in the desert almost indefinitely. They seal all the openings with latex, replace the guel with oil to coat and protect engine parts, and then just park it. In the past, planes from AMARC have been restored to service in a matter of weeks.

But in order to make the Tomcat a feasible reserve plane, the Navy would have to keep a roster of aviators qualified to fly it. If the reserves were still using the -14, that wouldn't be too difficult. But maintaining enough planes to train new aviators and give existing aviators enough hours-in-type to stay sharp would be a waste of money.

Not to mention the waste of time and personnel to keep pilots current on a machine that is not in the active inventory. My understanding -- and others will correct me if I'm wrong -- is that pilots and aviators are assigned to a particular airframe, and that they spend all their training time on that one plane to stay as sharp as possible. Keeping pilots on the-14 means keeping them out of action, and we don't have a lot of folks to spare jut now.

13 posted on 07/03/2007 4:58:44 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: IonImplantGuru
The Associated Press reported in January that buyers for Iran, China and other countries had exploited gaps in surplus-sale security to acquire sensitive U.S. military gear, including F-14 parts.

This has been done a long time before now. Back during the reign of krinton, US News & World Report ran a story on just this kind of problem. The Chinese were buying and reverse engineering US military avionics and advanced weapons systems despite prohibitions on the sale of sensitive technology or surplus items that were not destroyed beyond use. Krinton paid the Chinese handsomely by deliberately nixing the prohibitions even when informed of them by Sandy Burglar.

No mention of this...
14 posted on 07/03/2007 5:00:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Now with an improved red neck!)
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To: IonImplantGuru

I guess my dream of someday owning an old decommissioned fighter jet is growing dimmer.

A friend of mine had a MiG21, but he sold it.


15 posted on 07/03/2007 5:01:19 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: IonImplantGuru

What a waste. A sad, unnecessary waste. There must be a pylon to sit on or a gate to guard or a museum that has some space for everyone of the remaining F-14s. The PTB are supposedly worried that Iran is going to get some spare parts? C’mon, Iran could get new Sukhois and MiGs easier than replacement parts for their remaining F-14s. Cutting them up is a historical waste.


16 posted on 07/03/2007 5:03:00 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: curiosity

Clearly, for front line purposes this is so. Yet, the F-14 is still the equal of most other nations we might face and keeping a healthy number in reserve, maintained for reserve, would be prudent.


17 posted on 07/03/2007 5:03:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ReignOfError

We should have a reserve and training program to enable us to quickly train personnel. Having a resever component could easily prove needed and prudent in years to come. Once they are shredded, you have no option.


18 posted on 07/03/2007 5:05:06 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not Free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: IonImplantGuru
This sucks. When I was a kid this is the only jet I waned to fly.

RIP Tomcats, you didn’t get the respect you deserved. It's America's loss.

19 posted on 07/03/2007 5:05:38 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Jeff Head
The problem is they are very costly to maintain, both in terms of money and manpower, as is most old equipment. It may very well make more sense to spend that money on ordering more FA-18's. I sure someone's run those numbers.
20 posted on 07/03/2007 5:07:39 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

.... but can’t they keep them in a “boneyard” like they do with a lot of the older B1-As and B-52s, as I understand it...... in case we ever wanted to refurbish them for emergency or allied use in a really big war?? It doesn’t cost much to keep them stored in the Arizona desert does it?

Alternatively, (ok, this is really not serious!) we should have turned them into RPVs loaded with a few tons of bombs and targeted them on Iranian strategic and Rev. Guards sites..... “here, Iran, you are most welcome to our old F-14s...... BOOM!”


21 posted on 07/03/2007 5:13:26 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Scrap titanium prices must be up. This story saddens me.


22 posted on 07/03/2007 5:15:59 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Jeff Head
The F-14 is way too expensive to maintain. I flew Tomcats in the late 90s and we were already pushing 70-90 manhours per flight hour back then.

I still wish the President would allow the Navy to eliminate the Iranian F-14 fleet. Not because they pose a great threat, but it is the principle of the thing.

23 posted on 07/03/2007 5:18:45 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Actually, I can’t believe that Pukin is gone.

He was okay, and I miss him.


24 posted on 07/03/2007 5:20:04 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: puppypusher

“Iran had a large fleet of Tomcats and I’m sure they would love to get the parts to make those planes flyable again.”

I don’t think that Iran had any tomcats. I know that they and Saudi Arabia have F-15s. Why should Iran want F-14s when they have no carriers?


25 posted on 07/03/2007 5:23:52 PM PDT by 353FMG (Michael Savage is standing on my left..)
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To: Vision
When I was a kid this is the only jet I waned to fly

It was an awesome airplane when it was behaving itself. It could be a scary airplane when it decided to not behave. I always felt it was an honest airplane to fly, not the departure prone airplane some people made it out to be. The problem was that Grumman wanted so much out of the airframe that it was very complex, with a tendency for pinballing emergencies. The aircrew needed to really be up to speed if they wanted to be safe and mitigate those issues.

Here is my answer to the most common question I got on the F-14. Mach 1.9 straight and level in a slick A model at 35K.

26 posted on 07/03/2007 5:25:21 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Jeff Head
" Lord knows we would need them until we could get our own manufacturing and steel production back up to speed in that event."

And in my opinion, that is exactly why they're being destroyed. (yes, it's cynical, but cynics are right more often than wrong when our fed gov is the subject)

27 posted on 07/03/2007 5:25:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: IonImplantGuru
Grumman in Decline

"..The decline and fall of the region's most prominent business was a landmark in the economic as well as social history of postwar Long Island. It came amid massive consolidation in the nation's aerospace and defense industry, which was responding to vastly reduced Pentagon spending after the Cold War ended. Only six months after that morning in Washington when Cheney said he was ending the F-14 program, the Berlin Wall fell. What was good for the advance of democracy was not necessarily good for jobs on Long Island..."

F-14D cancellation

"..Indeed, it was circa 1990 that the New York Congessional Delegation went up against SECDEF Cheney and boasted that they would simply "fix" the F-14D program the way they wanted on the hill. SECDEF retaliated by cancelling it altogether and ordering the production tooling broken up (ie termination with prejudice). .."

28 posted on 07/03/2007 5:31:52 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: IonImplantGuru
Image hosted by Photobucket.com wonderful, now i can go throw up my supper...
29 posted on 07/03/2007 5:34:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Technogeeb
Am I the only one who feels a bit sick when I see those beautiful birds being destroyed?

No. That is the same reaction here.

30 posted on 07/03/2007 5:35:59 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: IonImplantGuru

A simpler solution would have been “Anyone caught selling F-14 parts to Iran will be waterboarded hourly for a week, then horsewhipped, then lynched.”


31 posted on 07/03/2007 5:43:50 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Jeff Head

Sad and stupid. They should still be flying and raining nukes on the axis of evil.


32 posted on 07/03/2007 5:46:15 PM PDT by Memphis Moe
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To: 353FMG
Iran was given a fleet of F-14 Tomcats during the Nixon Administration. At the time Iran was an ally of the United States and it was hoped they could help defend the middle east oil fields from Soviet attack,

Unfortunately when Jimmy Carter was president the Iranian Revolution occurred and the Islamic Terrorist regime came into power. At that time all repair parts and Phoenix missile parts were embargoed.The Phoenix missiles that Iran had were Sabotaged to make them nonfunctional. It seems that U.S. agents were able to screw up the guidance systems to the missles.

33 posted on 07/03/2007 5:55:52 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: bill1952
Actually, I can’t believe that Pukin is gone. He was okay, and I miss him.

What are you talking about?

34 posted on 07/03/2007 5:57:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: USNBandit
Since you were a F14 pilot, I’d love to hear anything more you think about it.

I’m just a punk Maryland boy who used to visit the Academy on Boy Scout trips and wished I could fly for the Navy.

I literally used to go to sleep at night staring at F14s posters on my wall hoping it would work out one day. To me it was more than just another jet model for some reason. It encompassed the aggressiveness of America.

35 posted on 07/03/2007 6:02:26 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: curiosity

We did the same thing after WW2.We were so good at scrapping planes and anything else from the war that today a B-17 flying will cost you up to 6 million bucks and that is if you can get one of the few (12) owners to sell the plane.The iranian f-14s are A models and the engines are used up. They are museum pieces and thats it.No motors, no flying period.


36 posted on 07/03/2007 6:08:52 PM PDT by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I guess my dream of someday owning an old decommissioned fighter jet is growing dimmer.

I'd settle for a military jet trainer. They're more forgiving and have a passenger seat. What's the point of a plane that can have you in the Caribbean in a couple hours if you can't bring a date?

A friend of mine had a MiG21, but he sold it.

For a while right after the collapse of the Iron Curtain, there were MiGs for as little as $50,000. Of course, you'd need to budget at least that much, if not double it, a year for maintenance. I remember this one guy with a company, based out of Italy I think, that specialized in refurbing MiGs for sale in the West. He had a review of each model his company sold.

The -17 was the most "practical" -- good balance of speed and range, and if you got the trainer variant, you could even bring a passenger along. The -21 was the one he found the most fun. The -23 was designed to take off on afterburner and refuel in flight, so he usually declared a fuel emergency as soon as he cleared the runway. Not sure if he was joking about that or not.

What would be way cool would be to make external luggage pods out of drop tanks. Then you've got a serious vacation machine. Those old fighters have plenty of weight capacity, but not a lot of stowage space.

37 posted on 07/03/2007 6:13:16 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: ovrtaxt
I can get you a Mig-17 tomorrow. Interested?
38 posted on 07/03/2007 6:18:57 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: buccaneer81
It is sort of self explanatory, but pukin has left FR.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying that he is dead.

39 posted on 07/03/2007 6:20:37 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: puppypusher

Now THAT sounds interesting indeed! do you have any more details or links?


40 posted on 07/03/2007 6:23:15 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Sorry Don’t have any links.I’m a rank amateur computer wise and I wouldn't’t know how to provide a link to the info if I had it. The Information is out there. this information is a historical fact.it should not be that hard to find.
41 posted on 07/03/2007 6:28:09 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Jeff Head

“Lord knows we would need them until we could get our own manufacturing and steel production back up to speed in that event.”

Yep.

We better be stripping all the transistors and integrated circuits out of them and mothballing those since we no longer have the capacity to produce many of them here.

I’m NOT joking.


42 posted on 07/03/2007 6:32:33 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: mad_as_he$$

hehe yes, but you probably wouldn’t be interested in the kind of money I have to spend right now.


43 posted on 07/03/2007 6:38:23 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: Jeff Head
We should have a reserve and training program to enable us to quickly train personnel. Having a resever component could easily prove needed and prudent in years to come. Once they are shredded, you have no option.

Thats assuming there are qualified pilot candidates ready for training. It would make more sense train reservists on the -15, -16 and -18 than to maintain the planes, and maintain obsolete skill sets on the part of both the pilots and ground crews .At some point you've just gotta move on.

In the next few years, we should have a growing number of those airframes in the ready reserve as the F-22 and F-35 replace them in front-line service. Those planes, with trained and experienced pilots getting regular time on them, ate a better candidate for a backup plan than the -14.

For that matter, it might make more sense to cross-train our pilots on MiGs. A lot of our newer NATO allies are flying those these days.

44 posted on 07/03/2007 6:44:20 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Vision
Without getting too long winded here is the F-14 scorecard.

Goods. Speed, Fuel/Loiter time, Long Range Radar Detection and Long Range A/A Weapons, and in its later years LANTIRN/PGM capability.

Others. Engines in the A model. Maneuvering A/A Target Tracking A/B model. Spare Parts Supply D model. Avionics Reliability A/B model. Airframe Systems Reliability (Hyds, Wings, SAS systems) all models. Some people would put flight controls/carrier suitability/departure resistance in the Others column, but the F-14 wasn't nearly the bear to fly that the Crusader or Vigilante were.

45 posted on 07/03/2007 6:45:45 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: bill1952

Did Pukin leave an opus?

Seriously, I respected him and his experience. It will be a loss that is not easy to replace.


46 posted on 07/03/2007 6:48:52 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: IonImplantGuru
That's just depressing. I don't have the heart to ping Pukingdog.

All hail Admiral Dick Cheney's F-18 navy.

47 posted on 07/03/2007 6:54:17 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: GBA
What a waste. A sad, unnecessary waste. There must be a pylon to sit on or a gate to guard or a museum that has some space for everyone of the remaining F-14s

Not all of them. Not enough places that can properly care for them. and can afford to ship and mount them. It would be embarrassing to just have them parked in a field or a barn somewhere.

AMARC does prepare a lot of planes for what's called "static display," and I'm sure they're entertaining requests from museums, VFW halls and bases. This site lists 80-some Tomcats currently on display.

48 posted on 07/03/2007 6:54:58 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: IonImplantGuru
OMG! The pic in that article is so wrong on so many levels..... A proud, strong, beautiful warrior like that, sent off to that fate. It's down right criminal I tell you.

CRIMINAL!

49 posted on 07/03/2007 6:58:22 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: ovrtaxt

It will come with one full tank of gas!!!


50 posted on 07/03/2007 7:03:41 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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