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"He was right. Jihad warfare had from the seventh century to the time of Pope Urban conquered and Islamized what had been over half of Christendom. There had been no response from the Christian world until the Crusades."

1 posted on 07/03/2007 4:41:28 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

And the way things are going around the world, relative to pandering to radical Islam, the Crusades will be fought again. Britain just surrenedered by putting a limp-wristed liberal in charge of the issue...what country is next??? Maybe the Crusade II have already begun.


2 posted on 07/03/2007 4:44:39 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: khnyny

Maybe, but the Islamicists invaded Europe before the Europeans invaded Islam. So you could say that it was the Islamic invasion of Europe that is having that effect.


3 posted on 07/03/2007 4:50:11 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: khnyny

In the year 732, for a little perspective:

The Battle of Tours, also called Battle of Poitiers (October 732), victory won by Charles Martel, the de facto ruler of the Frankish kingdoms, over Muslim invaders from Spain. The battlefield cannot be exactly located, but it was fought somewhere between Tours and Poitiers, in what is now west-central France.

‘Abd-ar-Rahman, the Muslim governor of Córdoba, had invaded Aquitaine (present southwestern France) and defeated its duke, Eudes. Eudes appealed for help to Charles, who stationed his forces to defend the city of Tours from the northward progress of the Muslims. According to tradition, the Muslim cavalry attacks broke upon Charles’s massed infantry, and after ‘Abd-ar-Rahman was killed in the fighting, the Arabs retired southward. There were no further Muslim invasions of Frankish territory, and Charles’s victory has often been regarded as decisive for world history, since it preserved western Europe from Muslim conquest and Islamization. The victory also served to consolidate Charles’s leadership of the Franks, and he was able to assert his authority in Aquitaine, where Eudes swore allegiance to him.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9060566/Battle-of-Tours

As a point of additional interest, Ar Rahman was what Muhammad called God in his early Quran verses quoted in Mecca. Most English translations substitute Allah in those verses. Ar Rahman was the name for God used by a pagan tribe in Yemen. When He moved to Medina he started using the name Allah, which was the name of a black rock idol in Mecca.


4 posted on 07/03/2007 4:58:39 PM PDT by OK
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“..more devastation today than they ever did in the three centuries when most of them were fought, according to one expert.”

The answer to that statement is very simple and basic. During the Crusades we fought them on their turf, we are now in a battle with them in our homeland because we were foolish enough to let them reside with us.

Send ALL of them back to Muslim countries and start all over again. Slap them a couple of times over their heads and they’ll be eating out of our hands. Who else could feed them?

All the problems with Muslim terrorism that we experience today is of our own doing. We allowed cancer cells to enter our body and we are now paying the price for our generosity of spirit.


6 posted on 07/03/2007 5:04:56 PM PDT by 353FMG (Michael Savage is standing on my left..)
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Crusader bump

Reading the book LONDON. I didn't realize that when an English knight did not return from the Crusades, his wife could be sold with the profit going to the king. Great way to honor a Crusader's sacrifice...

7 posted on 07/03/2007 5:22:01 PM PDT by EverOnward
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Ping for later


8 posted on 07/03/2007 5:22:57 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: khnyny

Why only excerpted? I don’t see this source on the excerpt-only list, and the full article is good.


10 posted on 07/03/2007 5:33:04 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


22 posted on 07/03/2007 8:29:52 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (The 4th of July is just a day on the colander. Independence Day is something to celebrate!)
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To: khnyny

Thank you for posting this.

Most crusaders left their families and took this perilous journey for the noblest of intentions.

When after the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, Raymond of Toulouse was offered to be crowned the King of Jerusalem, he declined, saying, “I refused to accept a crown of gold in the place where my Savior wore a crown of thorns.”

It’s sad to see how much political correctness and multiculturalism has distorted our understanding of history.


23 posted on 07/03/2007 8:52:22 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: khnyny

bookmark


26 posted on 07/04/2007 6:15:57 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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The “Crusades” that really matter to modern Muslims were those since the French Revolution, since Napoleon landed in Egypt in an attempt to establish French control in the region. By 1930, the Christian Powers were in the ascendent everywhere in the Middle East and in the Med. Only Turkey and Iran maintained their independence, and this by modernizing their society.
All of this has been rolled back as a result of World War II and the collapse of the European Empires. Ironically, American anti-colonialism contributed to this and our attempt to fill the void, especially after the Suez debacle, was been imperfect. The Europeans socialists accuse us of imperialism, not recongizing that it is precisely our dislike of imperialism that has weakened us. We blame ourselves for the inability of the Muslim nations to develop a growing economy or a rational poltical order, despite the huge returns the Middle has received from its near monopoly of the oil supply.


32 posted on 07/04/2007 7:40:19 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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