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Felons Smarter Than Liberals (Ann Coulter Early Bird Special Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/03/2007 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 07/04/2007 12:08:18 AM PDT by goldstategop

Just in time for the Fourth of July, John Lott, author of the groundbreaking 1998 book "More Guns, Less Crime," has released another amazing book: "Freedomnomics: Why the Free Market Works and Other Half-Baked Theories Don't." This book provides studies and analysis proving that your every right-wing instinct is based on sound economic analysis.

To wit:

* Women shouldn't vote: "What changed ... that explains the growth of government? The answer is women's suffrage."

* Fox News Channel isn't conservative: "Even employees of Fox News, which is widely regarded as a conservative channel, donate 81 percent of their contributions to Democrats."

* Public schools are government re-education camps: "(P)ublic education was actually designed to spread government-approved values."

* Nothing good has come from abortion: "(A)bortion, in fact, increases crime."

* Felons vote Democrat: "Remarkably, it looks as if virtually all felons are Democrats."

To make your flights even more enjoyable this summer, consider this interesting incentive system described by Lott: "To receive disability benefits due to job-related stress, air traffic controllers must present a well-documented stressful incident – a collision or close call – that has caused a deterioration in their performance. Unsurprisingly, when it became easier to file for disability, flights suddenly started experiencing more 'close calls.'"

Say, wouldn't it be even more stressful, deserving of a greater disability payment, if the near-miss involved an Iranian Air jet?

Lott shows that there are pretty clear answers to what lowers the crime rate, what increases the crime rate and what doesn't have any effect at all. Despite their popularity as explanations for the remarkable drop in crime in the '90s, the aging of the population and the enforcement of quality-of-life crimes both had virtually no effect.

What did work was higher arrest and conviction rates, concealed-carry laws and the reinstitution of the death penalty. "Generally, the studies found," Lott writes, "that each execution saved the lives of roughly 15 to 18 potential murder victims." So basically, there's a much bigger death penalty for having no death penalty.

Meanwhile, gun locks and gun self-storage laws lead to more deaths, for the obvious reason that if the owner can't get to his gun in time, the beneficial effect of having a gun is lost. Lott also shows crime skyrocketed in cities that implemented affirmative action policies that lowered allegedly "biased" and "irrelevant" tests for cops.

Speaking of crime, there's even something for Paris Hilton in this book! Lott says that "when we analyze the overall consequences a criminal faces after conviction, we find a surprising result: Rich criminals face disproportionately high penalties."

The Los Angeles Times recently did an analysis of jail sentences for Hilton's precise offense: i.e., driving with a suspended license after being arrested for drunk driving. The majority of these offenders served four days, exactly what Hilton got – until she was returned to prison. By serving her full 23 days, Hilton served more time than 80 percent of people arrested for the same offense.

In addition to losing their reputations, their inheritances and generally their spouses, according to Lott, wealthy felons also earn less money post-conviction than poor defendants. Not relative to their prior salaries, but in direct comparison. "Amazingly," Lott says, "after controlling for a variety of social and demographic factors, wealthier ex–convicts on average earn a lower salary after their conviction than poorer ex-convicts."

Let's hope so. Felons are usually Democrats. As Lott notes: "Michael Milken, Martha Stewart and Leona Helmsley share something in common besides being convicted felons – they are all Democrats. While their wealth sets them apart from the typical felon, their party registration is the same as most former convicts."

I believe this point was subtly highlighted when Willie Horton told the press in 1988 that of course he supported Michael Dukakis for president. "According to academic studies," Lott says, "from 1972 to 1996, on average, 80 percent of felons would have voted Democratic. An overwhelming 93 percent ostensibly would have voted for Bill Clinton in 1996."

This is not because, as you might imagine, blacks have high crime rates and also happen to be overwhelmingly Democratic. Lott compares the voting patterns of felons and non-felons, controlling for race, age, education level, religious habits, employment, age and country of residence. Wholly apart from all these factors, felons were still more likely to vote Democratic. Indeed, in the 2004 election, Lott says, felons in Washington state "voted exclusively for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry."

With so many felons being Democrats, the party might want to think about changing its mascot from a donkey to a jailbird.

Needless to say, Democrats are neurotically obsessed with restoring the right to vote to felons. But the ex-cons themselves rarely express any interest in regaining this particular right. What ex-cons want is the right to own a gun. "Felons," Lott says, "who frequently live in poor, high-crime neighborhoods, want to be able to defend themselves."

So the evidence is in on that one, too: Preferring the right to bear arms to the right to vote (for choice), convicted felons have a superior value system to liberals.


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Ann Coulter has an Early Bird Special today! Interesting reading this morning in light of the fracas over Scooter Libby! You would think the Democrats would be DEFENDING him to the heavens! Hahahahaha!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 07/04/2007 12:08:22 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
The rules, the rules!


2 posted on 07/04/2007 12:10:20 AM PDT by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God; Liberals think they ARE God " -- Ann Coulter)
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To: goldstategop
She makes an interesting point: criminals prefer the RKBA over liberals' determination to disarm the law-abiding. At least they know one right is important even as the Left dear to their felon hearts ridicules it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 07/04/2007 12:15:37 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
From amazon.com


4 posted on 07/04/2007 12:19:51 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: goldstategop

thanks, bfl


5 posted on 07/04/2007 12:20:00 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: jellybean; knews_hound

ping


6 posted on 07/04/2007 12:21:54 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: BullDog108
See also, from yesterday's "Hairball" -- after guest host Al Sharpton tried to get Duncan Hunter to condemn Ann:
Hunter: Ann Coulter Approaching 'Great American' Status
  Posted by pissant
On News/Activism 07/03/2007 2:20:50 PM PDT · 57 replies · 1,413+ views


National Journal ^ | 7/3/07 | Irene Tsikitas
 

Hunter defends Ann Coulter against critics
  Posted by pissant
On News/Activism 07/02/2007 11:33:20 PM PDT · 90 replies · 1,616+ views


MSNBC ^ | 7/2/07 | staff

7 posted on 07/04/2007 12:26:16 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog; neverdem
We elected the wrong Lott to the Senate.

Cheers!

8 posted on 07/04/2007 12:33:02 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: goldstategop

Democrats also prefer Michael Moore over Ann Coulter. What a bunch of Sickos.


9 posted on 07/04/2007 12:33:22 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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Also from amazon.com:

If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans: Ann Coulter at Her Best, Funniest, and Most Outrageous

See larger image 

10 posted on 07/04/2007 12:36:55 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: goldstategop

I’d like to know how abortion increases crime. According to the bestselling book Freakonomics, the large dropoff in the crime rate in the early to mid 90s was mainly due to abortion. That was right about the time that Roe v. Wade turned 18.

If Lott has something to counter that, I’d like to know what it is. I’m not trying to justify abortion in any way, nor am I saying that Lott is wrong. I just want to know his reasoning and his evidence.


11 posted on 07/04/2007 1:15:31 AM PDT by RussP
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To: RussP
"I’d like to know how abortion increases crime."

That is like saying how does murder increase crime. Are you that ignorant?

12 posted on 07/04/2007 1:59:30 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: BullDog108

Ahh.... Lady Ann!

When her column appears on FReepers, I save it for early in the morning.

Having read Ann’s words around 6:00 a.m., I am braced for the day and fit for any challenge.


13 posted on 07/04/2007 3:09:15 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970
See also, from www.anncoulter.com:
July 3, 2007, 8:21 PM

MORE GREAT AMERICAN MEN: God Bless America! -
JONATHAN FALWELL: DEFENDING ANN COULTER

RUSH LIMBAUGH ON ANN COULTER

JOHN DERBYSHIRE RADIO: ANN COULTER

14 posted on 07/04/2007 4:53:28 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: goldstategop

Ann ~ right on the money as usual.....

Happy 4th!!!!


15 posted on 07/04/2007 5:07:01 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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JOHN DERBYSHIRE RADIO: ANN COULTER
Fast forward to 23:25 - for the WONDERFUL part about Ann.
16 posted on 07/04/2007 5:09:47 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: goldstategop
Women shouldn't vote: "What changed ... that explains the growth of government? The answer is women's suffrage."

The women got the vote and the nation got Harding.

17 posted on 07/04/2007 5:23:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: goldstategop
The majority of these offenders served four days, exactly what Hilton got – until she was returned to prison. By serving her full 23 days, Hilton served more time than 80 percent of people arrested for the same offense.

This may not be as out of proportion as it may seem. For the "average" person 4 days out of work could have a ripple effect for those living paycheck to paycheck. They could lose their job, miss a rent or mortgage payment and have severe child care issues.

A wealthy person's effect may simply be they have to get their social secretary to rearrange their lunch and dinner engagements and perhaps donate tickets for missed events to others.

18 posted on 07/04/2007 5:39:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: RussP
from a review on Amazon:

Lott is on shakier ground still when he argues that legalized abortion caused an increase in crime, while citing data equally consistent with the view that some other factor, e.g., the sexual revolution, caused both the increase in uncommitted sex (with or without contraception) and the push for legalized abortion. Given the relatively short history between Griswold and Roe, in which Americans enjoyed a "constitutional" right to contraception but not abortion, it's not clear we will ever know which factor caused the other. That said, Lott does appear to have made as strong of a case for the view that abortion causes crime as Levitt [Freakonomics] did for the view that it prevents it, thereby neutralizing the abortion-as-crime-control argument with which Levitt himself stops short of fully endorsing.

Freedomnomics

19 posted on 07/04/2007 5:56:24 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: blackbart.223; RussP
That is like saying how does murder increase crime. Are you that ignorant?

Under current law, like it or not, abortion is not a crime. Murder is. One million abortions could be performed without a single crime being committed. One million murders would equal one million crimes.

Russ asks the kind of question I think everyone should ask, and I wish more liberals in particular would ask; What is the specific hypothesis and what is the evidence? Then, be open to what the evidence (or data) says.

Very fair question, Russ. The answer may be in the book, which sounds like it would be worth reading. I would like to see how he analyzed for this, myself.

20 posted on 07/04/2007 5:57:45 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Ask any farmer... Good fences make good neighbors.)
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To: RussP

The attitude that life can be snuffed out (legally via abortion), if it is inconvenient to another leads to the overall devaluation of life.

I don’t know if that’s the point the author is trying to make, or even how you’d prove such a point, but I believe it.


21 posted on 07/04/2007 6:05:27 AM PDT by randita
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To: goldstategop

Wow, I always suspected the Democrats had a lock on the Felons, but now we’ve got some hard numbers.


22 posted on 07/04/2007 6:20:39 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: grey_whiskers

No wonder the Democrats’ hate Ann so much. She’s got their number.


23 posted on 07/04/2007 6:45:58 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: goldstategop

Freakonomics was a good book with interesting ideas, few of which were left-wing or needed rebutting. But when they got into the gun issue, you could see the fingerprints (and deception/ignorance) of the NYT co-author all over it.

Can’t wait to read Lott’s book. It sounds like a winner.


24 posted on 07/04/2007 7:41:15 AM PDT by Beelzebubba ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: goldstategop
Women shouldn't vote: "What changed ... that explains the growth of government? The answer is women's suffrage."

Obviously this Ann Coulter dude can't get laid and hasn't been on a date with a woman in years, if ever. He wouldn't talk like this if he didn't hate women.

(That's sarcasm!)

If you take a look at the top marginal income tax rate over time, you will see it is in the single digits until soon after women get the right to vote. It quickly reaches 90%.

And if you bring this up and say that in general women seem to be in favor of bigger government and a nanny state, you're shouted down in an emotional hail of vitriol.

25 posted on 07/04/2007 8:27:42 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, don't rape anyone. Don't push your morality on others!)
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To: RussP

I suggest you buy the book, Freedomnomics, by John Lott.


26 posted on 07/04/2007 8:30:44 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim. Islam is a dangerous cult.)
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To: Raycpa

“This may not be as out of proportion as it may seem.”

Yes it is. I don’t know about the merit of your rationalizations. But I do know that an important principle in our law is “equality before the law.” The punishment for a given crime should be the same for everyone. Four days is four days, period.


27 posted on 07/04/2007 8:36:57 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim; Islam is a dangerous cult.)
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To: goldstategop
Indexing related threads:
Felons Smarter Than Liberals (Ann Coulter Early Bird Special Alert)
  Posted by goldstategop
On News/Activism 07/04/2007 12:08:18 AM PDT · 26 replies · 1,416+ views


Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/03/2007 | Ann Coulter
 

Studies show: Felons smarter than libs
  Posted by JWR_Editor
On News/Activism 07/03/2007 12:53:50 PM PDT · 21 replies · 879+ views


JewishWorldReview.com ^ | July 3, 2007 | Ann Coulter
 

28 posted on 07/04/2007 8:48:32 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: goldstategop
The conclusion that “women shouldn’t vote” seems to be Ann Coulter’s, not John Lott’s. Ann’s comment is a little “edgy” or “irreverent.” According to our dominant (in the press and movies) culture, edgy and irreverent must be tolerated when they have their usual targets - the bourgeoisie and Christianity. But I bet they don’t seem to like edgy or irreverent comments from Ann!

Is Ann serious on this one? I don’t know. I may have to part company with Ann in this case. Women have the vote, will have the vote, and should have the vote - even if it may have had unfortunate consequences. If women tend to vote poorly - the female gender gap favoring Democrats - that is a challenge. Regardless of sex, people have to learn that incentives matter, facts matter, experience matters, and that one cannot emote one’s way to good policy.

29 posted on 07/04/2007 8:54:54 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim; Islam is a dangerous cult.)
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To: ChessExpert
Is Ann serious on this one?

Get over it.....it was a joke.

My wife jokes about this all the time. She finds the inaninity of women's voting statistics sickening......and a bit shameful......and she's still able to laugh at it, as Ann apprently is here.

30 posted on 07/04/2007 9:34:32 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: ChessExpert
Is Ann serious on this one?

Partly IMO

She is using that statement to make a good point for sure.

I've seen more than one female conservative pundit rue the day women were given the vote.

31 posted on 07/04/2007 9:46:29 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: ChessExpert; Lakeshark; Syncro
The conclusion that "women shouldn’t vote" seems to be Ann Coulter’s, not John Lott’s...
From My Lunch with Ann Coulter by Jonathan Freedlund, with The Guardian, May 19, 2003:
...Later she's explaining why the US should not only leave the United Nations--"It's a useless, pathetic organisation"--it should actually boot the New York-based body out of the country altogether. "I just don't think these ridiculous countries with tin-pot dictators should have any say over anything America does. This isn't hatred for them. I wish them luck. But expanding the franchise? I'm annoyed how broad the franchise is in America already. Extending it, what, to the French?"

Why does she think the franchise is too big already? Who exactly has the vote who shouldn't have?

"Women," she says, laughing. "It's true. It would be a much better country if women did not vote.

That is simply a fact.

In fact, in every presidential election since 1950--except Goldwater in '64--the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted..."


32 posted on 07/04/2007 9:58:50 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: ChessExpert
“Is Ann serious on this one? I don’t know. I may have to part company with Ann in this case. Women have the vote, will have the vote, and should have the vote - even if it may have had unfortunate consequences. If women tend to vote poorly - the female gender gap favoring Democrats - that is a challenge. Regardless of sex, people have to learn that incentives matter, facts matter, experience matters, and that one cannot emote one’s way to good policy.”

The question is are YOU Serious? I bet you read Swift and thought he was REALLY advocating eating babies, didn’t you?

Just another case of the humor deprived missing the joke.

Go Listen to Derbyshire. He made a remark about your kind.

33 posted on 07/04/2007 12:14:29 PM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: goldstategop

Thanks for posting the article. It was an excellent article by Ann, as always. John Lott’s book has definitely made my short list.


34 posted on 07/04/2007 12:35:49 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Mohamed was not a moderate Muslim; Islam is a dangerous cult.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

And over the decades we also got Kennedy and then Clinton.


35 posted on 07/05/2007 3:55:16 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: ChessExpert; goldstategop; Lakeshark; Syncro
I may be on shaky ground here but over the last several years, attending sporting events that my grandsons particpate in, I sit and listen to the women around me. I have never heard so much inanity in my life. Recently, during a basketball game - middle school where the majority of players are 8th grade boys - one women lamented that the boys threw the ball too hard. That it might hurt someone. Also, the women students in my college classes - most of them majoring in educaion - were some of the most ignorant individuals I have ever run across. The majority of their conversation tended to center on how they "felt" more so than what they were "thinking." So, I can understand why some people state that women should not vote.

Speaking of voting, I wonder if anyone has done a study based upon the type of individuals we get into public office corresponding to how easy we make it to register and vote. I am tending to lean more every day to Hienlen's concept of letting only those who served in the military vote and hold public office.

36 posted on 07/05/2007 4:09:26 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: pablo H

I went and listened to Derbyshire. Very good statement, very true, and very funny! I would like to see some simple test people have to take before voting. Just a 3 or 4 question test, more or less based upon the man on the street interviews Sean Hannity does on his program. According to my test, the majority of NYC liberals would not be allowed to vote.


37 posted on 07/05/2007 4:17:30 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


38 posted on 07/05/2007 4:20:48 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: BullDog108
Speaking of the rules, my contribution is below. Did anyone watch the rerun of Ann Coulter on O'Reilly's program last night. I believe the original program aired last Thursday. AC b-slapped O'Reilly again! You could tell she was not only angry but also exasperated and fed-up, her patience at an end, with having to continually explain her remarks - even to dense individuals as BOR. At one ponit she said he was not better than Chris Matthews.


39 posted on 07/05/2007 4:20:50 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson

I remember Heinlein’s idea from Starship Troopers that only those only the military and ex-military could vote. That would sure shake things up.


40 posted on 07/05/2007 4:49:45 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan deconstructed the Soviet Union)
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To: goldstategop
Dr. John's website
41 posted on 07/05/2007 5:43:58 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: RonDog

bump


42 posted on 07/05/2007 5:56:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: goldstategop; jellybean; carlo3b; stanz; gakrak; massfreeper; hosepipe; Donald Rumsfeld Fan; ...
Pinging the Coulter List.



On or off, FReepmail jellybean or ping me.

Cheers,

knewshound
43 posted on 07/05/2007 7:38:22 AM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: RonDog

“In fact, in every presidential election since 1950—except Goldwater in ‘64—the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted...” “

Not only that, but we would have better conservative republican presidents. Pandering for votes by promising to take care of everyone for everything(poor things) would be a lot less necessary. Government should be based on cold, hard facts and not one iota on feelings.


44 posted on 07/05/2007 11:09:56 AM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: ChessExpert
I suggest you buy the book, Freedomnomics, by John Lott.

Is that you, John? LOL!

45 posted on 07/05/2007 11:27:25 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Lakeshark

When I saw Ann Coulter at UCONN, the lefties (read: hairless retarded apes) in the audience kept hounding her about that quote. Finally, she came down to thier level and explained to them that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously. Those twits still didn’t understand even after she clued them in...I feel so bad that they’re my fellow students...Ann, if you’re reading this, I still feel bad about how they treated you there, it was a damn shame!


46 posted on 07/05/2007 11:32:45 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: goldstategop

RATS are criminals, and criminals are RATS. No suprises there.


47 posted on 07/05/2007 11:35:52 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: RonDog

Thanks RonDog! Confirmation of my de-fault memory is always good...LOL


48 posted on 07/05/2007 12:55:10 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Raycpa

That’s socialist class warfare thinking.

The same thought process is what encourages juries to hit wealthy defendents in lawsuits with outrageous monetary damages, while another person without “deep pockets” doesn’t even get sued in the first place.

The statue of Justice wears a blindfold for a reason.


49 posted on 07/05/2007 4:26:17 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789
That’s socialist class warfare thinking.

Actually considering the effect on the accused like job loss etc is part of federal sentencing guidelines and is considered. This is why Clinton's sentence was lowered and why it is an outrage that the same consideration was not applied to Libby.

50 posted on 07/05/2007 4:49:49 PM PDT by Raycpa
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