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Evolution as a scientific principle has been seriously challenged
Stabroke News ^ | July 4th, 2007 | Roger Williams

Posted on 07/04/2007 5:43:27 PM PDT by balch3

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To: ndt

John 14: 8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


101 posted on 07/09/2007 10:16:48 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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I’m guessing He’ll appear tall to everyone, seeing that we shall all bow the knee to Him.

I admire you for attempting to handle such inane prating.


102 posted on 07/09/2007 10:39:57 AM PDT by MarDav
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I’m guessing He’ll appear tall to everyone, seeing that we shall all bow the knee to Him.

I admire you for attempting to handle such inane prating.

Thank you and great post! Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess... I switched to the same mode the Lord used when addressing Satan. Scripture only.

103 posted on 07/09/2007 10:46:21 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: TalBlack

“What do these words mean to you? Any God Who could not get his exact and precise meaning conveyed is no god. ANY distortion in the Scriptures would render them valueless. God managed to see to it that the first Book He gave the earth, The Torah, remained utterly unchanged by so much as one character for over four thousand years. It exists today in precisly the form it has always had. Four thousand years. Don’t doubt the power of God.”

Why do you assume that God isn’t achieving exactly the effects he wants now? And what Distorted version do you prefer, “The King James version?” The Bible and the Torah are a collection of stories from all over the middle-east, many from Egypt, and Babylon. The story of Noah’s arc is from a flood story out of what is now Iraq. I don’t doubt the power of God; I just doubt that any book or man can describe it. Nor do I believe that God’s will or intentions are necessarily understandable by man. You are completely wrong that the Torah is unchanged in 4,000 years, if for no other reason than the word meanings have change in the light of the advancement of human knowledge.


104 posted on 07/09/2007 7:58:07 PM PDT by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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To: DungeonMaster

OK, now I’m confused. I was trying to examine your evidence and you switch to posting verses. So when you said “he stood up and showed Himself to me” I guess I am to take that as a metaphor, but of what exactly?


105 posted on 07/09/2007 11:45:59 PM PDT by ndt
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Acts 9: 1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”
Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
Ananias Baptizes Saul

10 Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”
And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”
11 So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. 12 And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”
13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”
15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”
17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus,[b] who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.


106 posted on 07/10/2007 5:05:36 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Are you claiming to be Saul?


107 posted on 07/10/2007 2:12:40 PM PDT by ndt
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“You are completely wrong that the Torah is unchanged in 4,000 years, if for no other reason than the word meanings have change in the light of the advancement of human knowledge.”

FACT: The to rah is unchanged, PERIOD! YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS. That you cast the Torah’s meaning as a function of mens perception is about as silly and as selfserving as an argument can get.

That you seem to also KNOW the absolute origins of the old and new testaments is ANOTHER handy insight denied the rest of us (and is quite)useful for dismissing other’s ideas that you can’t dismiss with actual arguments.

The stupidity and incoherence of the idea that God failed in his attempts to communicate with His creation or that inability to make his Truth known IS HIS BIG PLAN!!! Well...words fail. How does one argue with a guy who is making it up as he goes along?

God MUST make men aware of and understand certain things—THAT is a given. Anything else is incoherent. God SAYS that the Torah is His, That Jesus is His, that Jesus’ life and words are his.

So tell me:What are the “distortions” in the King James? How do YOU judge them AS distortions? There MUST be a ruler or to judge deviation—WHAT is your ruler?

The argument that there is a God but no way to understand what He wants, indeed to confuse or cast as interrelated what He wants with what He HIMSELF knows and understands, is simple human, selfserving rationalizing.

Actually it’s a bit closer to prevaricating, in that Man is reasonable and in turning from reason finds the license that he wants.

108 posted on 07/10/2007 3:34:11 PM PDT by TalBlack
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