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To: Just mythoughts
Genesis 1:1 is not an act of creation. It is simply a prelude stating who, what, and when...not in that order of course...and isn't intended as being part of the chronology of creation.

It is an introduction, a literary device if you will, and nothing more.

Verse two, a continuation of the prelude or introduction, acknowledges the intent in verse one, and states their (the earth and the heavens) relative status, which at that point, is pretty much non existent.

Finally, here is Strongs definition for the so called mistranslation, controversy, of the word "was/became," in verse two:

1961 hayah haw-yaw a primitive root (compare 1933); to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):— beacon, X altogether, be(- come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.

As you can see, although the word could be translated as "became," it doesn't imply a necessary transition, as from one state to another, or a pre history of sorts. The King James Version, which translated the word as "was," is in perfect alignment with the definitions available, and again, such a definition does not necessarily imply a transition.

Now, here's the rub. Even if you did translate it as "became," with the implication of a transition...the first instantiation which preceded this transition would be entirely irrelevant and meaningless from our perspective since the transition would have obliterated any evidence at all of the first instantiation, per the terms, without form or substance (void)

The argument, that this one single word, "became," is indicative of a pre history, evidenced by the fossil record so to speak, is an argument that is not very well thought out at all, since all that evidence *must* originate from the second instantiation.

And with that, you're back where you started, without accomplishing anything...

46 posted on 07/05/2007 12:29:40 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense
Genesis 1:1 is not an act of creation. It is simply a prelude stating who, what, and when...not in that order of course...and isn't intended as being part of the chronology of creation.

Genesis 1:1 is a declaration of what happened IN the beginning. The word Genesis means IN the beginning. The second verse establishes that something happened to that creation and what we are not told is the when of it. We are told in other places the why of verse 2 but never in the whole of the Bible does it say how long ago or in what year either the beginning was or when the rebellion took place. When did the souls get created? We are not told but we do know that the souls have a history before they were ever placed into these flesh bodies. Jeremiah was told and Paul says that before Jacob and Esau were ever born that God loved Jacob and He hated Esau.

The argument, that this one single word, "became," is indicative of a pre history, evidenced by the fossil record so to speak, is an argument that is not very well thought out at all, since all that evidence *must* originate from the second instantiation.

The fossil record is visual to be found evidence of an age prior to this one, the Bible tells us Satan rebelled and God threw him down, Paul speaks often and much about predestination. There had to be a pre this age for anyone since the creation of man in the flesh for that literal meaning of that word to be accurate.

Jeremiah is told about the destruction of this earth pre-flesh man and he was told to tell us that Jer.4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known ME. The are sottish (see what the Strong's says about that word sottish) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the heavens, and they had no light. Uses the very same Hebrew words that Moses used in Genesis 1:2.

v. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

v25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all of the birds of the heavens were fled. Can't be Noah's flood because there were at least 8 survivors from that flood.

v26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the *CITIES* thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.

We could not lug around a Book that accurately described what you call the art of creation.

47 posted on 07/05/2007 2:57:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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