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Proof on Ice: Southern Greenland Was Once Green; Earth Warmer
Scientific American ^ | July 5, 2007 | David Biello

Posted on 07/05/2007 4:37:15 PM PDT by Islander7

In 1981 researchers removed a long tube of ice from the center of a glacier in southern Greenland at a site known as Dye 3. More than a mile (two kilometers) long, the deep end of the core sample had been crushed by the pressure of the ice above it and sullied by contact with rock and soil. By destroying the pattern of annual layers, this contamination seemingly made it impossible to assess the region's ancient climate. But DNA extracted from the previously ignored dirty bottom has revealed that Greenland was not only green, it boasted boreal forests like those found in Canada and Scandinavia today.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciam.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; environment; globalcooling; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs; greenland; helixmakemineadouble; junkscience; littleiceage
The ice sheet on Greenland, therefore, is more stable than some scientists previously believed and "has not contributed to global sea level rise during the last interglacial," Willerslev says. "Importantly, it does not mean that we should not be worried about future global warming as the sea level rise of five to six meters during the last interglacial must have come from somewhere."
1 posted on 07/05/2007 4:37:17 PM PDT by Islander7
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To: Islander7

It must have come from somewhere, but where!? If this doesn’t convince you that intelligent design is neither intelligent nor is it design, I don’t know what will, because the only sequitors I recognize are the non-sequitors, if you follow me.


2 posted on 07/05/2007 4:41:26 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius

Dinosaur farts..


3 posted on 07/05/2007 4:42:34 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Islander7

Global warming and also Bush’s fault .....


4 posted on 07/05/2007 4:53:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There Are Two Theories To Arguing With Women. Neither One Works")
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To: Islander7
Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

Other References:


5 posted on 07/05/2007 4:56:08 PM PDT by sourcery (Anthropogenic Global Warming: A convenient lie designed to establish socialism by fear and deception)
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To: Islander7
I think it's best to keep this under wraps, not sure if I want to see reality confront junk science.

Think of the carnage: Dr. Heidi, Al Gore, those 2,000 other "scientists", the UN, TWC, etc., and a crap load of ordinary schmucks that you and I see every day.

What ever will they do?

What ever it is, it ain't going to be pretty.

Yes, best to keep this on the QT.

6 posted on 07/05/2007 4:56:43 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (I've reached the age where happy hour is a nap.)
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To: Islander7

bump


7 posted on 07/05/2007 4:57:26 PM PDT by VOA
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To: sourcery

Nice list! Thanks.


8 posted on 07/05/2007 4:57:53 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (I've reached the age where happy hour is a nap.)
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To: Islander7
Well, the earth was warmer before going into the cycle of glacials and interglacials its experienced the last few hundred thousand years.
9 posted on 07/05/2007 5:01:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Asclepius
It only took you to the second post to drag ice cores and global warming into evolution versus ID...?

Must be a record, also a non-sequitor, if you follow me.

10 posted on 07/05/2007 5:06:54 PM PDT by norton
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To: Islander7

These upstart scientists should stop slowing down the global warming gravy train with facts and evidence. There is too much money to be made out there in “investigating” and “fixing” the problem.


11 posted on 07/05/2007 5:09:49 PM PDT by Gritty (Get environmentalism out of the sphere of religion and stop the mythic fantasies-Michael Crichton)
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To: norton
Must be a record, also a non-sequitor, if you follow me.
And a joke, if you follow me.
12 posted on 07/05/2007 5:12:02 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius
You have gone above and beyond the call.....
humor can be a cruel master.
13 posted on 07/05/2007 5:24:35 PM PDT by norton
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To: Islander7
Proof on Ice: Southern Greenland Was Once Green; Earth Warmer

I've always known that, or simply assumed whoever named the place originally was neither sensory-challenged nor retarded...
I never saw the Viking explorers are either practical jokers or whimsical.

14 posted on 07/05/2007 5:26:25 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Islander7

DUH! When the vikings settles Greenland it was green!


15 posted on 07/05/2007 5:27:21 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Asclepius

That pesky “last interglacial,” again.


16 posted on 07/05/2007 5:35:10 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Publius6961
wiki:

The name "Greenland" comes from Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find the land that was rumoured to be to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grænland ("Greenland"), possibly in order to attract more people to settle there.[1] Greenland was also called Gruntland ("Ground-land") and Engronelant (or Engroneland) on early maps. Whether "Green" is an erroneous transcription of Grunt ("Ground"), which refers to shallow bays, or vice versa, is not known. It should also be noted, however, that the southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glacier) is indeed very green in the summer, and was likely even greener in Erik's time because of the Medieval Warm Period.
17 posted on 07/05/2007 5:48:09 PM PDT by BJClinton (Thompson/DeLay 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
Biologist Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen and an international team of colleagues discovered DNA from alder, spruce, pine and yew trees at the glacier's base as well as insects ranging from butterflies to spiders. This is the "first evidence for a forested southern Greenland," Willerslev says. And based on the tree species found, Greenland must have been warmer than 50 degrees Fahrenheit (10 degrees Celsius) in summer and never colder than one degree F (–17 degrees C) in winter, much warmer than present conditions.

butterflies and spiders trapped in ice - the 'climate' must have changed very quickly, blitzschnell and catastrophic.

18 posted on 07/05/2007 6:04:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: BJClinton
It should also be noted, however, that the southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glacier) is indeed very green in the summer, and was likely even greener in Erik's time because of the Medieval Warm Period.

Lots of sites give some Greenland history. One site is the American Heritage dictionary:

"WORD HISTORY How did a glacier-covered island get the name Greenland? In Norse legends written in the 12th century and later, it is told that Eric the Red explored the southeast and southwest coasts of Greenland in A.D. 983-986 and gave the country its name because people would be more likely to go there if it had an attractive name. Greenland was warmer in the tenth century than it is now. There were many islands teeming with birds off its western coast; the sea was excellent for fishing; and the coast of Greenland itself had many fjords where anchorage was good. At the head of the fjords there were enormous meadows full of grass, willows, junipers, birch, and wild berries. Thus Greenland actually deserved its name. Another attraction of Greenland was that Iceland and northwestern Europe, including England, had a grievous year of famine in 976, and people were hungry for food as well as land."

Another site covers the fact that Greenland settlements of Europeans were abandoned about 1400, during the Little Ice Age. It is still colder in Greenland now than when Eric the Red was there.

From the Smithsonian Institute,

http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/voyage/subset/greenland/environment.html

"Studies of environmental conditions, climate, and their interactions have produced important new information relevant to Norse extinction in Greenland. Most revealing is the detailed evidence of climatic changes that occurred in the northwestern Atlantic beginning in the early 1300s. Changes in atmospheric temperature are recorded in such diverse materials as glacier ice derived from snow falling on the Greenland Ice Cap, fossil vegetation and pollen deposited annually in lake sediments, chemical signatures in isotopic composition of sea sediments, animal and human bones, and even the species of insect pests that accompanied Vikings and their animals as they settled new lands. These indicators clearly suggest that the climate was cooling in the 14th century, and that the Greenlandic environment had been depleted of its "natural capital"--its previously untapped grasslands and animal resources-over 500 years of farming practices in this delicate arctic climate."

Other references discuss written directions for how to reach Greenland. Around 1200 the directions started to mention avoiding the icebergs, a caution that was missing from earlier instructions. The record, both written and from core samples, shows that Greenland has been warmer in the last 1000 years than it is now. The alarms about global warming aren't supported by Greenland's history.

"Global warming" is a study in political opinion manipulation, not science.

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19 posted on 07/05/2007 6:07:38 PM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: Islander7
Back in 1961 in a course in field botany our class spent the day in a bog located on Buckeye lake near Columbus, Ohio. Growing on the bog were tropical plants kept warm by the decomposing bog. The bog had come from the Arctic region by being transported by the great glaciers which covered northern America. The region from which they came was once a tropic.

That lesson in climatology was 46 years ago. Now, why is this article, "news?"

20 posted on 07/05/2007 6:30:24 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Fred Nerks
Fred Nerks said: "... the 'climate' must have changed very quickly, blitzschnell and catastrophic."

Maybe.

But I think the grammar is a bit ambiguous in the linked article. Did the scientists find "insects ranging from butterfiles to spiders" or did they find "DNA from ...insects ranging from butterflies to spiders"?

21 posted on 07/05/2007 6:48:11 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell
The data shows that natural variations in Earth's orbit—obliquity, or how tilted the planet is in relation to the sun—have determined global temperatures in the past, they report...

natural variations in Earth's obliquity...

IMO the entire article is a fascinating example of ambiguity!

22 posted on 07/05/2007 7:07:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Rudder
Back in 1961 in a course in field botany our class spent the day in a bog located on Buckeye lake near Columbus, Ohio. Growing on the bog were tropical plants kept warm by the decomposing bog. The bog had come from the Arctic region by being transported by the great glaciers which covered northern America. The region from which they came was once a tropic.

That lesson in climatology was 46 years ago. Now, why is this article, "news?"

Wow!

Juan Cabrillo's diaries of taking his ship up the California coast what, 250, 300 years ago? -- record pretty solid snowfall all the way to the water on the Big Sur section (roughly halfway between San Francisco and Los Angeles), and unheard of in any histories of homesteaders going back to the 1850s. If it snowed there like that today, it would be considered environmental DISASTER!!! My God, the dead sea otters and sea lions -- and they're protected! Heads will roll!

23 posted on 07/05/2007 7:31:03 PM PDT by Finny (Only Saps Buy Global Warming)
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To: William Tell; SunkenCiv

related:

Oldest DNA Ever Recovered Shows Warmer Planet: Report (hundreds of thousands of years ago)
Brietbart.com ^ | Jul 5 03:14 PM US/Eastern | AFP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861531/posts


24 posted on 07/05/2007 8:41:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; Islander7

25 posted on 07/05/2007 8:44:35 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch



LOL!





26 posted on 07/05/2007 8:51:48 PM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: Islander7

“Southern Greenland Was Once Green; Earth Warmer”

The REAL Inconvenient Truth


27 posted on 07/05/2007 8:56:30 PM PDT by Hacklehead
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Ancient Greenland was actually green!
MSNBC | 7-05-07 | By Ker Than
Posted on 07/05/2007 5:54:18 PM EDT by Ancient Drive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861403/posts


28 posted on 07/05/2007 10:16:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Wednesday, July 4, 2007.)
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29 posted on 07/05/2007 10:19:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Wednesday, July 4, 2007.)
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DNA reveals a green Greenland
by Louis Buckley
July 5, 2007
Scientists have drilled through two kilometres of ice in southern Greenland and retrieved DNA from the pine forest that once existed there, buzzing with prehistoric insect life. Dated to between 450,000 and 800,000 years old, the DNA is among the oldest ever found... plant fossils dating to 2.4 million years ago have been found in the far northeast of the country. But, surprisingly, the DNA evidence for plant life stops at 450,000 years ago. Researchers say the lack of younger DNA suggests that this portion of the land has been covered by ice ever since -- and that goes against the prevailing view of Greenland's climatic history. During the last interglacial period (130-116 thousand years ago), the climate was 5 °C warmer than it is today, says Eske Willerslev, director of the centre for ancient genetics at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark. "Sea levels were 5-6 metres higher, and most scientific models have assumed that the melting of the southern Greenland ice cap was responsible. But our data suggest that this was not the case."

30 posted on 07/09/2007 11:46:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Monday, July 9, 2007.)
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To: Islander7
One could also argue that if natural warming can deglaciate much of southern Greenland, then natural warming plus anthropogenic warming could cause even more extensive deglaciation."

I knew one of these guys would have to insist that this can't just be a natural occurance...nooooo, man is to blame along with natural cycles.

These dishonest idiots will not be changed from their religious belief that man is really responsible for "global warming" FARCE!!

Cuttnhorse, B.S. Geology

31 posted on 07/09/2007 12:05:10 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: William Tell
Did the scientists find "insects ranging from butterfiles to spiders" or did they find "DNA from ...insects ranging from butterflies to spiders"?

From the article: Biologist Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen and an international team of colleagues discovered DNA from alder, spruce, pine and yew trees at the glacier's base as well as insects ranging from butterflies to spiders. This is the "first evidence for a forested southern Greenland," Willerslev says.

32 posted on 07/09/2007 12:08:49 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse
Cuttnhorse said: "From the article:..."

What I was pointing out was that the sentence should have made clear whether the scientists found actual "insects" or just the DNA from insects. I believe there is another article posted on FR which indicates that everything they are describing was from DNA.

33 posted on 07/09/2007 12:20:21 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated 7/05/2007.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

Thanks Islander7.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


34 posted on 06/05/2013 5:50:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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