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Lewis Libby still in US Bureau of Prison census
US Bureau of Prisons ^ | 07.06.07 | Perdogg

Posted on 07/06/2007 6:10:19 AM PDT by Perdogg

I guess someone thinks he still going to show up.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: libby; pardon; scooterlibby
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1 posted on 07/06/2007 6:10:20 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
I’m gonna take a WAG, that he’s still on the roll because he wasn't pardoned outright. His prison sentence was commuted, and he’s still on probation (he paid his fine yesterday). And if he somehow violates probation he’s in the Grey Bar for 30 months.

That's my guess.

2 posted on 07/06/2007 6:28:34 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: holdonnow; Bahbah; mware

Legal Clarity?


3 posted on 07/06/2007 6:32:01 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: Perdogg
Marc Rich & The Clintons must be laughing their ass off.

It was Scooter Libby that represented Marc Rich when Slick pardoned him.

Ironic, isn't it.

4 posted on 07/06/2007 6:33:04 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Perdogg
Most of Libby's defenders -- George W. Bush, David Brooks, etc. -- don't seem to be denying that Libby committed a crime by lying under oath to investigators. They want us to say that, rather, he deserves to be treated very leniently because there was no big deal here. The alleged absence of an underlying crime is key to that theory. The converse theory is that there was an underlying crime and the crime can't be proven because Libby lied to investigators.

If that theory is wrong -- if there really was no crime -- then it seems we ought to get some kind of explanation from Libby as to why he lied. People sometimes do have reasons to lie to investigators other than a desire to cover up criminal activity (hiding non-criminal activity that's embarrassing is the obvious one) but if Libby wants mercy he should offer up a plausible score on this account.

But Libby hasn't offered any such story. Instead, he's offered a wildly implausible story -- that he's innocent. Under those circumstances, it's very odd to offer clemency. He's shown no remorse and appears to be continually engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. Maybe there was no crime here; but if there wasn't, then what was Libby doing? He's not even trying to convince us that he had some other reason to lie.

5 posted on 07/06/2007 6:34:48 AM PDT by MurryMom
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To: AliVeritas

I think Condor is right. He is in probationary status. They have to keep a slot open.


6 posted on 07/06/2007 6:35:29 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: MurryMom

I’m curious as to exactly what he lied about. I’m wondering if you know for sure.

It’s my understanding that he was inconsistent as to who spoke to whom on what day, more than a year after it happened. I also seem to remember that Fitzgerald’s own witnesses couldn’t remember the specifics consistently on the witness stand.


7 posted on 07/06/2007 6:39:26 AM PDT by ex-NFO
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To: Bahbah

His probationary status is in limbo according to the Judge in the case. Since he did not serve time there can be no probation. A hearing on the issue will be held Monday.


8 posted on 07/06/2007 6:39:47 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: golfisnr1

This will get interesting. I wouldn’t think the judge could overrule the commutation so the only alternative I can forsee is vacating the probation.

On the other hand, lots of people receive probation as the only punishment for their crimes.


9 posted on 07/06/2007 6:48:05 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: golfisnr1
His probationary status is in limbo according to the Judge in the case. Since he did not serve time there can be no probation

I think the judge may be playing games here. There are numerous instances of people on probation who do not do any jail time.

10 posted on 07/06/2007 6:51:02 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ex-NFO
I’m curious as to exactly what he lied about.

As am I. I would really like a full explanation of what his "perjury" was about and in what way it obstructed "justice".

11 posted on 07/06/2007 6:54:46 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Bahbah

Actually, you get probation using time served language.


12 posted on 07/06/2007 6:56:47 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Perdogg
It’s revealing how rich minor bureaucrats can get while “serving” the people. Libby wrote a check for $250,000 to pay his fine. We’re not sure what he did supposedly he revealed secret information, something the New York Times does with regularity.

Anyway, most people wonder what the fuss is all about. After all President Clinton lied under oath to a federal judge; sold super-computers to communist China in return for campaign donations; trashed the Oval Office, abused power was impeached and lost his license to practice law (not that he ever showed the slightest pretensions to obeying laws). He got off scott free.

Hmmmm. Let’s see. President Clinton is a Democrat. Libby is a Republican. Do you think its possible that there is a double-standard at work here? Naaah! Couldn’t be. (Sarcasm Off)

13 posted on 07/06/2007 6:58:52 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: R.W.Ratikal

It was $250,400.00 :)


14 posted on 07/06/2007 7:02:11 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: MurryMom
and appears to be continually engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice.

No such thing. "appears to be" is just your way of making that accusation.

Maybe there was no crime here; but if there wasn't, then what was Libby doing?

Mis-remembering? No one can recall the exact dates, times, people they were talking to, or not talking to, years back. Can anyone even remember every specific moment of every specific day what they did two weeks ago.

15 posted on 07/06/2007 7:24:30 AM PDT by lowbridge (If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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Mis-remembering?

Doesn't Hillary mis-remember in every instance she is cross-examined?

16 posted on 07/06/2007 7:40:39 AM PDT by mia
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To: lowbridge

The threshold for conviction is that the govt has to prove mens rea, which in my opinion it didn’t.


17 posted on 07/06/2007 8:00:54 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: MurryMom

Tell us...MurryMom....about that conversation you had 2 years and 3 months ago with a neighbor of yours.....in detail, please. And, don’t lie to us!


18 posted on 07/06/2007 8:07:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: mia

She knows how to use the phrase: “Do not recall” :-)


19 posted on 07/06/2007 9:08:18 AM PDT by lowbridge (If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
The evidence against President Clinton was so flimsy that the Republican IC, Kenneth Starr, never filed any perjury charges against him. The charges against Libby were solid enough for a federal jury to convict on 4 counts.

Innocent vs. guilty, that's the distinction between President Clinton and Scooter Libby that ought to convince most rational persons, Republican politicos excepted.

20 posted on 07/06/2007 11:03:42 AM PDT by MurryMom
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