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Obama: Grab Second Chance on Immigration
Orlando Sentinel ^ | June 28, '07 | Barack Obama

Posted on 07/06/2007 9:58:09 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

[Obama says Minutemen are "Self-proclaimed Vigilantes"] When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of immigrants were protesting in the streets, while self-proclaimed vigilantes known as Minutemen were rushing to defend our Southern border. At the same time, it is both unproductive and untrue to tag as "amnesty" any proposal that would put the undocumented on a path to earned citizenship, since the bill we're debating would penalize those who broke our laws with steep fines and require them to start their quest for citizenship at the back of the line.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; democrats; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicans
Obama is a candidate who's been manufactured by the DNC and the MSM. The swooning and gushing began after his vapid speech at the Democratic Convention. In reality he's an empty suit who spouts the spin of the Left. He's got very little national experience and none in foreign affairs. He makes Hillary look like Winston Churcill in comparison!
1 posted on 07/06/2007 9:58:10 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Obama is Swift boating himself. These words will come back to haunt him, if he wins the democrat nomination.


2 posted on 07/06/2007 10:05:29 PM PDT by Maynerd (Bush is the Herbert Hoover of border security)
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To: T.L.Sink

And I think that is the whole idea.Make the beast look good.The rats will buy it.


3 posted on 07/06/2007 10:07:12 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: T.L.Sink

Some people don’t know when to give up.


4 posted on 07/06/2007 10:08:31 PM PDT by TBP
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To: T.L.Sink

Rebel without a clue............

Gone in 6 months : )


5 posted on 07/06/2007 10:10:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: T.L.Sink

I like how he doesn’t call any of the protesters “ILLEGAL immigrants,” but he characterizes the Minutemen, who are LEGAL immigrants, as he does. Cute.


6 posted on 07/06/2007 10:12:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: T.L.Sink
it is both unproductive and untrue to tag as "amnesty" any proposal that would put the undocumented on a path to earned citizenship

I have an idea...

PUT THE UNDOCUMENTED ON A PATH BACK TO MEXICO!


7 posted on 07/06/2007 10:12:30 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: T.L.Sink
LEGAL immigrants = LEGAL residents

Unless there's somethin' we don't know...shades of Manchurian Candidate? ;)

8 posted on 07/06/2007 10:12:55 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: chaos_5
I have an idea... PUT THE UNDOCUMENTED ON A PATH BACK TO MEXICO!

Man! That was especially well put.
9 posted on 07/06/2007 10:15:39 PM PDT by gipper81
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To: T.L.Sink

It’s going to be Hillary/Richardson, my guess.


10 posted on 07/06/2007 10:20:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: T.L.Sink
What scares me is... who is a real candidate in this election? I find all of the front runners of both parties implausible. I mean, wouldn't most people with common intuition see what phony, manipulative sharks they are? Could a majority of American voters actually vote for Hillary? Then again Bill Clinton's wink-and-smile show was screaming obvious to me, like a comic parody, the very first time I saw him (before I knew his name or party), and I really thought most people would see him the same way. So don't count on my take.
11 posted on 07/06/2007 10:27:52 PM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: chaos_5

That’s right. They already have citizenship. They should go back home and claim it.


12 posted on 07/06/2007 10:31:16 PM PDT by FreePoster (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: T.L.Sink

Dilbert comes to mind, since I get such a laugh from him.


13 posted on 07/06/2007 10:47:41 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: T.L.Sink
"...When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL LAWBREAKING immigrants were protesting in the streets..."

"...When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL LAWBREAKING immigrants were protesting in the streets..."

"...When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL LAWBREAKING immigrants were protesting in the streets..."

"...When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL LAWBREAKING immigrants were protesting in the streets..."

"...When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL LAWBREAKING immigrants were protesting in the streets..."

Understand, Osama?

14 posted on 07/06/2007 10:51:57 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: T.L.Sink

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

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White House comments: (202) 456-1111

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Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

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phone: 202.863.8500 | fax: 202.863.8820 | e-mail: info@gop.com

Take a look at their hidden agenda: http://www.mexica-movement.org


15 posted on 07/06/2007 11:38:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Indianhead Division: Second To None!)
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To: T.L.Sink
Did the Minutemen really proclaim themselves "vigilantes?"
16 posted on 07/06/2007 11:53:46 PM PDT by ruination
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To: rlmorel

Obama is the worst panderer of all front runners.

Empty head ; empty suit.

The man does’nt know if he’s black or white, Christian or Muslim


17 posted on 07/07/2007 12:11:33 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: FreePoster

“What scares me is... who is a real candidate in this election? I find all of the front runners of both parties implausible.”

Well, I am disgusted and loathe to understand why those who’ve been screaming ‘no’ to amnesty are now willing to look the other way and push to the forefront a R candidate who claims, “You’re going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship”. Maybe they, like Bush, define amnesty to their liking.


18 posted on 07/07/2007 12:33:53 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Darkwolf377

>>...but he characterizes the Minutemen, who are LEGAL immigrants, as he does...<<

You mean “LEGAL citizens,” don’t you?

I would imagine that most of the Minutemen are native-born American citizens, but I might be wrong.


19 posted on 07/07/2007 2:30:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: alexander_busek

I instantly posted a correction.


20 posted on 07/07/2007 2:33:57 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: ruination
Did the Minutemen really proclaim themselves "vigilantes?"

No, I believe this was the first lie of this speech. Bush called these MM heroes vigilantes.
21 posted on 07/07/2007 3:40:11 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: T.L.Sink
At the same time, it is both unproductive and untrue to tag as "amnesty" any proposal that would put the undocumented on a path to earned citizenship, since the bill we're debating would penalize those who broke our laws with steep fines and require them to start their quest for citizenship at the back of the line.

It is amnesty because the illegal aliens 1) get to stay in this country 2) get access to all sorts of taxpayer-funded services 3) get on a path to citizenship. In order for any plan to not be amnesty, the illegal aliens caught here would immediately be on a list that would never be allowed citizenship. That should be the penalty for breaking our laws. (Plus be deported back from whence they came.)
22 posted on 07/07/2007 3:44:26 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: FreePoster
"...the very first time I saw him (before I knew his name or party), and I really thought most people would see him the same way."

I felt the same way; the first time I laid eyes on him and heard him speak, I turned and told my wife he was just a "snake oil salesman".

I sometimes wonder if by virture of Ross Perot's behavior, if he wasn't just a "plant" to dilute the vote to get the clintons in office. In one way, what could they give Perot to play this foil, as he's already filthy rich, but then I notice how completely the man dropped totally out of sight, never to be heard from again.

But, the bottom line, clinton would not have won without the "little general" running interference.
23 posted on 07/07/2007 3:57:14 AM PDT by FrankR (Fred Thompson, the cure for America's current nonsense)
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To: ChiMark

Maybe he is a chameleon.


24 posted on 07/07/2007 4:14:27 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: T.L.Sink

He’s also against racial neutrality in education, and came out strongly opposed to the recent Supreme Court ruling to that effect.


25 posted on 07/07/2007 6:25:21 AM PDT by Old 300
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To: FreePoster
What scares me is... who is a real candidate in this election?

The real candidate is the United States of America and will it be elected to run another 4 years and continue to lead the fight for man's freedom and dignity in the face of terrorists, dictators and one world advocates.

26 posted on 07/07/2007 6:45:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: T.L.Sink

You are correct, Obama is strictly a creation of the leftist MSM: He was an unknown, untalented Illinois state legislator who routinely lost when seeking higher office. Until the MSM conspired to create him in its own image. The MSM basically said: “We can create a viable candidate out of whole cloth and force him on the American people just to show that we can do it!”


27 posted on 07/07/2007 7:00:15 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Travis McGee

“It’s going to be Hillary/Richardson, my guess.”

That’s a given. Richardson is in the race ONLY to get the VP nod, and Hillarrhea will tap him for same.


28 posted on 07/07/2007 7:02:24 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: T.L.Sink

T.L.Sink, you are spot on. Obama is a political hack and a puppet. The DNC and MSM have pushed him so hard onto the scene because he is a moldable “well-spoken black” (liberals’ words, not mine) without any prior national clout. The DNC and MSM are using Obama to control the left-leaning peasants and uniformed centrists. Obama is kept on a very short leash and has no choice but to go along and be a good little servant. After all, if Obama loses just MSM support, he dries up overnight.


29 posted on 07/07/2007 7:29:16 AM PDT by CountryBumpkin (Paying the taxes that illegal aliens won't pay)
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To: T.L.Sink

Obama is no modern day Moses. He wouldn’t have told Saddam to let his father’s people go (Muslims).


30 posted on 07/07/2007 8:45:19 AM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53).)
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To: T.L.Sink

All true but Id say the swooning began before his stupid speech at the convention. There was a “wait till you see this guy” mood among the “hard news” folks a day or two before the speech. He was a fake from the very start.


31 posted on 07/07/2007 9:04:36 AM PDT by mthom
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To: T.L.Sink

“the bill we’re debating would penalize those who broke our laws with steep fines and require them to start their quest for citizenship at the back of the line”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The back of the line starts in their own countries...and stays there until such time as they qualify for entrance into the US by satisfying every REAL IMMIGRATION requirement.,..

STEEP fines? The fees were much less than the costs to REAL immigrants and gave them freebies to boot...free college, welfare, medical benefits...that REAL immi9grants and American citizens dont get...

Why do the AMNESTY lovers continue to act like FDR didnt win the election if they keep saying so...


32 posted on 07/07/2007 9:11:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mthom

But it was a great, swoon-worthy speech..

:)


33 posted on 07/07/2007 9:12:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Travis McGee

That’s my guess too. Richardson will allow her to pander to the Hispanic vote. In fact, I’ve heard several commentators say that Richardson is really in the race for the VP spot.


34 posted on 07/07/2007 10:17:15 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: ought-six

Yep. Richardson gives Hillary geographic spread to the SW, the hispanic connection, and world diplomatic “gravitas.”


35 posted on 07/07/2007 10:19:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ChiMark

Notice he never uses his first name “Hussein.” He’ll try to be all things to all men but he won’t be able to hide the fact that he’s a shill for the ultra-Left.


36 posted on 07/07/2007 10:22:18 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: CottonBall

I completely agree. My concern is that many will think that in defeating cloture in the Senate that the issue is settled. Far from it. We’ve won a battle but not the war. It’s very important to keep the pressure on the politicians and insist that they ENFORCE THE LAWS that exist right now.


37 posted on 07/07/2007 10:50:32 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
[Obama says Minutemen are "Self-proclaimed Vigilantes"] When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of immigrants were protesting in the streets, while self-proclaimed vigilantes known as Minutemen were rushing to defend our Southern border.

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When we first tried to fix the system last year, it was a time when hundreds of thousands of immigrants were protesting in the streets, while like self-proclaimed vigilantes known as while Minutemen were rushing to defend our Southern border.

There, that's much better!

38 posted on 07/07/2007 4:18:11 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: T.L.Sink
It’s very important to keep the pressure on the politicians and insist that they ENFORCE THE LAWS that exist right now.

That's it. We don't need Congress to waste our money fighting over bills - the laws are already on the books.

Personally, I'm waiting for the Hazelton decision. I think once that ordinance passes the courts, we'll see cities and states all over enforcing their own illegal immigration laws. It will be a beautiful thing!
39 posted on 07/07/2007 5:54:03 PM PDT by CottonBall
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