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U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in ’05
New York Times ^

Posted on 07/07/2007 4:39:07 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in ’05 By MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, July 7 — A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, according to intelligence and military officials.

The target was a meeting of Al Qaeda’s leaders that intelligence officials thought included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden’s top deputy and the man believed to run the terrorist group’s operations.

But the mission was called off after Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense secretary, rejected the 11th-hour appeal of Porter J. Goss, then the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, officials said. Members of a Navy Seals unit in parachute gear had already boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan when the mission was canceled, said a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning.

Mr. Rumsfeld decided that the operation, which had ballooned from a small number of military personnel and C.I.A. operatives to several hundred, was cumbersome and put too many American lives at risk, the current and former officials said. He was also concerned that it could cause a rift with Pakistan, an often reluctant ally that has barred the American military from operating in its tribal areas, the officials said.

The decision to halt the planned “snatch and grab” operation frustrated some top intelligence officials and members of the military’s secret Special Operations units, who say the United States missed a significant opportunity to try to capture senior members of Al Qaeda.

Their frustration has only grown over the past two years, they said, as Al Qaeda has improved its abilities to plan global attacks and build new training compounds in Pakistan’s

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedapakistan; alzawahiri; aq; pakistan; wot

1 posted on 07/07/2007 4:39:09 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

No “lawless territory” ought to be considered soverign. In this era, there is simply no excuse for lawless territories. Either police or forfeit sovereign rights. F pak.


2 posted on 07/07/2007 4:44:30 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Sub-Driver

I’ll trust Rummy’s judgement long before NYT reporters, thanks.


3 posted on 07/07/2007 4:45:06 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

Musharef has been targeted repeatedly for assassination, including last week while on a jetliner. Better safe than sorry.


4 posted on 07/07/2007 4:48:06 PM PDT by Does so
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To: Does so

If we have to depend on Paki relations to get him, we’re in deep hindu.


5 posted on 07/07/2007 4:52:01 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: rageaholic

It’s too bad our leadership does not have the balls of the men the are supposed to command.

As in the past our enemies are allowed a safe area. It’s good that this was not the policy in WW2.


6 posted on 07/07/2007 4:52:24 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: gcruse

Exactly! And these unnamed military and intel sources spilling their guts to the Slimes does not impress me in the least. Wish we could nail these leakers.


7 posted on 07/07/2007 4:53:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

mushroomed to several hundred operatives? Rummy could see a clusterflop in the making.


8 posted on 07/07/2007 4:59:30 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: jazusamo

I forgot to add blabber mouths in brackets.........this is front page for Sunday’s edition.


9 posted on 07/07/2007 4:59:52 PM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Recon Dad

10 posted on 07/07/2007 5:02:28 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: jazusamo

” Wish we could nail these leakers.”

Ellie replied languidly in a stifling, breezeless room, her lemonade glass streaming condensation onto the worn oak nightstand as the curtains wafted in and out the viewless window, “I suppose Bush really ought to do something about that, somtime.”


11 posted on 07/07/2007 5:05:28 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Sub-Driver

It looks like with the positive things happening now in both Iraq and Afghanistan the Slimes have to look harder for stories that imply this administration did wrong.

It’s a shame we have an enemy within in the form of our free press, it’s time they started helping in the WOT.


12 posted on 07/07/2007 5:07:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Does so

Musharef has been targeted repeatedly for assassination, including last week while on a jetliner. Better safe than sorry.

I agree 100 %. There have to be a lot of factors looked at, but think what would have of Musharef was killed because of the attack. Pakistan, an Islamic country with a high percentage hating the US with nukes. Not good !!


13 posted on 07/07/2007 5:10:33 PM PDT by Pedrobud (Bush needs to be impeached !! Immigration and mismanagement of the war !)
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To: Jim Noble
Can you imagine if a similar sign was to be posted today by General Petreus in Iraq.
14 posted on 07/07/2007 5:11:31 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Sub-Driver

It doesn’t take guts to turn a tenuous ally into a nuclear bomb wielding enemy.


15 posted on 07/07/2007 5:16:02 PM PDT by james500
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To: Sub-Driver
NYT's motivations are clear but that does not mean that there isn't paralysis within the Bush administration when it comes to Pakistan.

The notion that any action inside Pakistan will result in the overthrow of Musharraf is just that. It is a theory. What is also likely is that the longer we allow Al Qaeda leadership to freely operate within a region would result in another 9/11. I would rather have the frustrations of those pursuing AQ leadership on the field aired out now instead of hearing about it after the next 9/11.

16 posted on 07/07/2007 5:28:43 PM PDT by Saberwielder
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To: Sub-Driver

If anything, my man Rumsfeld proved to be pretty ruthless in killing terrorists. If he called off the mission, then he probably had a damn good reason.


17 posted on 07/07/2007 5:34:01 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Sub-Driver
In relation to our elite Special Operations Forces not be permitted to strike targets:

“There is a degree of frustration that is off the charts, because they are looking at targets on a daily basis and can’t move against them,” he said.

18 posted on 07/07/2007 6:04:39 PM PDT by tlj18 (A mediocre Soldier with integrity is better than a great Soldier with none - my firm view)
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To: tlj18; DevSix; Southack; Cap Huff
I wouldn't have launched either...

The officials acknowledge that they are not certain that Mr. Zawahri attended the 2005 meeting in North Waziristan, a mountainous province just miles from the Afghan border. But they said that the United States had communications intercepts that tipped them off to the meeting, and that intelligence officials had unusually high confidence that Mr. Zawahri was there.

No we don't put that many special operators into a raid when we don't know if the target is even there.....also they would have walked into meat grinder.

No thanks...

19 posted on 07/07/2007 6:50:32 PM PDT by Dog ("Nothing important happened today." - from the diary of England’s King George III, July 4, 1776)
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To: gcruse

I had to laugh in order not to cry.


20 posted on 07/07/2007 7:39:49 PM PDT by edweena
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To: edweena

Bless your heart. ;)


21 posted on 07/07/2007 7:41:41 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: All
Those political considerations have created resentment among some members of the military’s Special Operations forces.

Pure "editorializing" here - It has not created resentment...it has without question created frustration. But on the whole the understanding of these political variables is well understood.....

That doesn't mean they don't want to be turned loose more....They certainly do. And they want to be turned loose more without HQs in the COC creating such a large footprint that the Op almost assuredly will be called off...(they are willing to deal with the risks, sans the larger security footprint).

22 posted on 07/07/2007 7:56:14 PM PDT by DevSix
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To: Sub-Driver

I have no idea what, if anything, in this article may be accurate, but I do know that to the extent US officials might ever be too risk-averse a big part of it is that they know that MSM SCUM like this reporter will twist whatever they do and smear our leadership and efforts.

Let’s hope this op was called off for good reasons, but the savage irony of NY Times scum revealing information that they acknowledge is CLASSIFIED in order to embarrass the USA, even while they claim that Rumsfeld was too risk-averse, is overwhelming.

Don’t these MSM dinbats have any shame at all, don’t they have any sense of embarrassment when they write and publish articles like this one?


23 posted on 07/07/2007 8:49:37 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Enchante

You got it (cold reality is the MSM will & are doing all they can to hurt our efforts in this WOT....Plain and simple...as ugly as that truly is).


24 posted on 07/07/2007 9:36:52 PM PDT by DevSix
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To: Sub-Driver

Yea right! Why would there be a near full scale invasion when we have missiles? Must be election time, the Times are pulling unnamed sources out of their a**es again.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 2:36:01 AM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: Sub-Driver; Recon Dad; Jim Noble
Read the "Lone Survivor" about a SEAL operation in Afghanistan. Where do we find guys like this?

Sadly, PC killed a lot of SEALs that day.

26 posted on 07/08/2007 6:08:52 AM PDT by MattinNJ (I'm pulling for Fred Thompson-...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
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To: Saberwielder

Most folks on here never bother to find out what the nature of the Paki-army is really like & that Mush is little more than a figurehead.

Things like that will make things more complicated & won’t show a lot of folks worshipped on here in a positive light.


27 posted on 07/08/2007 8:36:04 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: gcruse

Exactly.


28 posted on 07/09/2007 5:11:14 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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