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Largest Revolver in the world
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Posted on 07/08/2007 7:11:32 AM PDT by Revtwo

PFEIFER ZELISKA REVOLVER Largest Revolver in the world. 28 mm Mr. Ryszard Tobys revolver, a copy of the Remington model 1859. Length 1260 mm. Guiness Record Award in 2005


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1 posted on 07/08/2007 7:11:36 AM PDT by Revtwo
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To: Revtwo

Can it safely discharge a round?


2 posted on 07/08/2007 7:14:33 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: Revtwo
 

Probably not the best choice for undercover work......

 


 

 

 
 

3 posted on 07/08/2007 7:15:38 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: wastedyears

You should see the holster that comes with it. lol


4 posted on 07/08/2007 7:16:35 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Revtwo

Something I don’t understand about revolvers. How do they get any muzzle velocity, when the gap between the cylinder and the barrel is a big leak for combustion gases?


5 posted on 07/08/2007 7:21:26 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

There is leakage, but the gap is only a couple thousandth’s, most proceeds up the barrel.


6 posted on 07/08/2007 7:23:04 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Revtwo
The only reason I could picture for anybody NEEDING anything bigger than a 44mag would be camping in an area where there was a danger of being trampled by rhinos or elephants.

Nonetheless anybody who feels any sort of a real need for any such should consider the Wildey automags as an alternative to the super caliber revolvers. If nothing else, the auto mechanism will eat 40% of the recoil.


7 posted on 07/08/2007 7:23:07 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Stoat

That still could not take down Rosie O’Donnell.


8 posted on 07/08/2007 7:23:16 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: Stoat

That’ll make short work of any varmints, once I get a crane to lift it for me that is.


9 posted on 07/08/2007 7:24:49 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Stoat

The guy really needs to get a better grip on that thing.


10 posted on 07/08/2007 7:25:03 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Revtwo
Actually its an 1858 Remington, not 1859.

And the correct name is 1858 New Army Remington. I have one, in .44 Caliber - it kicks a$$.

And in its day it was considered much better that the Colt's (1851 Navy or 1860 Army) due to its solid frame.

Of course James Butler Hickok (Wild Bill) would disagree as he used two .36 cal 1851 Navy's until the day he 'died' in 1876.

11 posted on 07/08/2007 7:25:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Steely Tom

It’s engineered to extreme tolerances. It’s like a hair wide gap.


12 posted on 07/08/2007 7:26:37 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Stoat

Guy in the top picture:

Talk about a gun that kills at both ends!

The recoil would crush his skull.


13 posted on 07/08/2007 7:27:36 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: rickdylan

Hey - this revolver looks like it would be perfect for plinking tanks and locomotives...


14 posted on 07/08/2007 7:29:03 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: verity

Is it like a miniature Howitzer?


15 posted on 07/08/2007 7:29:51 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: new yorker 77
That still could not take down Rosie O’Donnell.

(This response has been edited by the Admin Moderator to comply with Free Republic's ban on violence in posts)

16 posted on 07/08/2007 7:30:27 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Revtwo

The 30 mm revolver mounted on the A-10 Warthog is bigger, but is even that the biggest?


17 posted on 07/08/2007 7:32:37 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
There is leakage, but the gap is only a couple thousandth’s, most proceeds up the barrel.

Yeah, OK, but I thought that the pressure in the breech had to go up to, I don't know, 5000 psi or something like that. Even a few thousandths would bleed off a significant piece of that. And the bullet has to be forced into the rifling, right?

18 posted on 07/08/2007 7:34:00 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

Calculate the cylindrical area of the space versus the area of the base of the bullet as it proceeds down the barrel. Unless the powder burns so slowly that it is still combusting by the time the bullet passes the gap, 90-95% of the energy would be delivered to the bullet. Some loss, but not significant.


19 posted on 07/08/2007 7:36:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Steely Tom
Yeah, OK, but I thought that the pressure in the breech had to go up to, I don't know, 5000 psi or something like that. Even a few thousandths would bleed off a significant piece of that. And the bullet has to be forced into the rifling, right?

A few thousandths above Mach 1 is a brick wall.

20 posted on 07/08/2007 7:37:10 AM PDT by Gorzaloon ("Being Fat, Stupid, and believing in Global Warming is no way to grow up, Son.")
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To: processing please hold
That’ll make short work of any varmints, once I get a crane to lift it for me that is.

Just please don't shoot any stoats with it....we are (generally) a pretty peaceful bunch and don't cause trouble.

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We're no threat to your crops or livestock because we prefer eating at nice restaurants, accompanied by vivacious and buxom young Conservative ladies.

21 posted on 07/08/2007 7:38:15 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i don't see the Lanyard...
22 posted on 07/08/2007 7:39:10 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Revtwo

To the question, “Is that a piston in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?”....

...this is the Johnny Holmes answer.


23 posted on 07/08/2007 7:39:48 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Gorzaloon
A few thousandths above Mach 1 is a brick wall.

Ahh. Yes. I forgot about that. The speed of sound.

Thanks, Gorzaloon.

24 posted on 07/08/2007 7:40:26 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: RightWhale

Oh. Thanks to RightWhale, Vision, and Tijeras_Slim too.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 7:43:00 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Gorzaloon

Magnums are supersonic. They are tough on the brass, though, which makes reloading somewhat limited.


26 posted on 07/08/2007 7:47:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Steely Tom
Yeah, OK, but I thought that the pressure in the breech had to go up to, I don't know, 5000 psi or something like that. Even a few thousandths would bleed off a significant piece of that. And the bullet has to be forced into the rifling, right?

You are correct. The leakage is considerable. That is one of the reasons why handguns are generally not very powerful or accurate. The other problem is that the barrel is simply not long enough to give the explosion time to speed the bullet up. The barrel needs to be at least 16 inches long. Most of the energy that the charge generates simply goes out the end of the barrel after the bullet has departed.

So what is the solution? Faster burning powder and more of it : ) At some point the losses don't matter.

27 posted on 07/08/2007 7:48:23 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: Revtwo

Let’s see the cartridge!


28 posted on 07/08/2007 7:48:47 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: rickdylan
Respectfully disagree.
The S&W BFR is serious fun. Even my wife could shoot it, and it’s at least as accurate as any 44mag, going to get one someday.
29 posted on 07/08/2007 7:48:51 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: rickdylan
“The only reason I could picture for anybody NEEDING anything bigger than a 44mag would be camping in an area where there was a danger of being trampled by rhinos or elephants.”

I’ve hunted big game all over the world with handguns, and consider the 44 Magnum, in most cases, totally inadequate for the job. It is a great man stoppper and there was a time when it was among the best of the handgun hunting cartridges, but those times are long gone. Stand up to a Cape Buffalo or a 500 pound Lion, or a grizzly for that matter, with a 44 Magnum and you’ll soon be wishing that you had stayed home.

The modern hunting handgun and the old 44 Magnum have little in common — and it being the “most powerful handgun in the world” wasn’t even true when Clint Eastwood said it in the early 70’s.

30 posted on 07/08/2007 7:52:06 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: LeGrande
You are correct. The leakage is considerable...the other problem is that the barrel is simply not long enough to give the explosion time to speed the bullet up...

Hmmm. I liked the "speed of sound" explanation.

I guess this has to be settled by looking at the muzzle velocities for revolvers vs. pistols.

I believe that muzzle velocities for rifles are, as you indicate, much higher than those for short-barreled weapons.

31 posted on 07/08/2007 7:54:05 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Recovering Hermit
The guy really needs to get a better grip on that thing.

Yes, he looks like he's about to get a face-full of metal.

(although I've seen no indication that he made ammunition for it or that it actually fires.)

32 posted on 07/08/2007 7:54:26 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: rickdylan

Like your mother from New Jersey, “Ya neva know - there are rino’s everywhere.”


33 posted on 07/08/2007 7:58:54 AM PDT by MarkT
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
 
Guy in the top picture:

Talk about a gun that kills at both ends!

The recoil would crush his skull.

I would not want to be within half a city block of this thing, on any side of it, if it were to be fired.

Having the builder say "oh gee, I'm sorry" after a piece of the ruptured cylinder or barrel lodged in the furry stoat head would simply not be good enough.

(although I've seen no indication that he made any ammunition for it or that it actually fires)

34 posted on 07/08/2007 8:00:52 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

What a darlin’ looking critter. Have no fear, they are safe from me.


35 posted on 07/08/2007 8:05:46 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Revtwo

36 posted on 07/08/2007 8:15:23 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: Condor51
Actually its an 1858 Remington, not 1859. And the correct name is 1858 New Army Remington. I have one, in .44 Caliber - it kicks a$$.

And in its day it was considered much better that the Colt's (1851 Navy or 1860 Army) due to its solid frame.

They are great. I have three of them; two .44s and a .36. Had action jobs and the forcing cone cut on all three and they are as accurate as any modern revolver made. William Cody (Buffalo Bill) carried one throughout the frontier and swore that it was the best revolver made at time.

Remington leased the S&W patent for a bore through cylinder in 1868 and made cartridge conversion cylinders for them resulting in the 1858 Remington being the first big bore cartridge revolver ever made.

37 posted on 07/08/2007 8:17:02 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: RightWhale
Magnums are supersonic. They are tough on the brass, though, which makes reloading somewhat limited.

I was referring to the rate of pressure rise in the chamber, not the round velocity. Any sudden pressure above an Atmosphere can produce a shock wave, and there is a shock bottle at the moment of exit even with a .22RF.

When a pilot exceeds Mach 1 it is rough for a while while they penetrate the "wall" of the shock wave. Leakage between the cylinder and frame probably happens at the start and end of the pressure spike, so the actual volume of gas lost should be miniscule.

There are revolvers chambered for the .45ACP. It will be interesting to see, given identical barrel lengths, what the Chronometer says about muzzle velocity in an Auto vs. a Revolver! Has anyone seen such stats?

39 posted on 07/08/2007 8:37:58 AM PDT by Gorzaloon ("Being Fat, Stupid, and believing in Global Warming is no way to grow up, Son.")
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To: Revtwo

http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=32

When I saw this thread I thought this was what was featured - a single action made in .600NE. Think its the same company though.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 8:42:57 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: Trteamer; Stoat

There would be no cartridge. It is a replica of a muzzle loader. If he has the skills and machinery to build the gun, he should be able to build a mold for bullets. The nipple cap could be formed from shim copper.

Somewhere there is info on the chemicals that causes the spark. The trick would be to determine the amount needed to ignite the black powder without having the copper becoming a projectile or several projectiles. BVB


41 posted on 07/08/2007 8:43:48 AM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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To: Revtwo

Unless all my books are wrong and the two I own are mislabeled, the revolver in the article is a Model 1858. The correct name is Remington-Beals Army Model Revolver.

The original chambering was .44 caliber. It would take a .451 caliber ball or conical bullet. My favorite load was a Speer swaged bullet with 28 grains of FFG blackpowder.

The revolver they copied may have been made in 1859.


42 posted on 07/08/2007 8:48:26 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Stoat
OTOH...


44 posted on 07/08/2007 8:51:34 AM PDT by null and void (We can oil drill through miles of rock under sea water, drilling thru inches of glass is a snap...)
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To: vetsvette

People have killed grizzlys with 357s. A 44mag with the heavier kinds of bullets is more than adequate for anything other than cape buffalo and elephants and rhinos. Bullet weight makes a huge difference.


45 posted on 07/08/2007 8:53:45 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: verity; Eaker; Joe Brower
You should see the holster that comes with it

Yeah they call it the Pamela Anderson synthetic IWB thumbreak !

46 posted on 07/08/2007 8:55:30 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: rickdylan

The problem with the Wildey was reliability. I have a friend who just can’t get his to work correctly. He talked to a lot of collectors and even the factory and now it’s just a collector’s item or safe queen.

I would want the reliability and the choice of larger calibers with a revolver than an Automag.


47 posted on 07/08/2007 8:59:05 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Yehuda
(Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)

Beloved, I must disagree.

Biblical Prophets climbed mountains to be talk with and be closer to God.
Mohammad crawled into a hole to listen to the hissings of The Serpent.

Want further evedence?

On 9/11 a US born møøslimb coworker objected to my new "God Bless America" sign, on religious grounds.

48 posted on 07/08/2007 8:59:49 AM PDT by null and void (We can oil drill through miles of rock under sea water, drilling thru inches of glass is a snap...)
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To: LeGrande
That is one of the reasons why handguns are generally not very powerful or accurate.

This was probably true in the early years of mass production handguns. Things like revolver forcing cones, double action and other technological advances have largely solved these issues.

I killed an Elk with a 44 magnum handgun in 1983. We got nearly 1100 pounds of cookable meat off that bad boy. I made that shot with a (IIRC) 240gr FMJ slug at approx 30 meters. Heavy brush in Washington State. Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 7.5 inch barrel. One shot right thru the shoulder/heart lungs. Dropped right where he took it. I always felt it was a nice easy (technically speaking) shot.

49 posted on 07/08/2007 9:01:33 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Steely Tom
I believe that muzzle velocities for rifles are, as you indicate, much higher than those for short-barreled weapons.

You can only do so much in 4-6", despite using faster burning powders in hangun loads. There is a lump of lead there, and when you try to accelerate it from Zero to Mach1+, you have to accelerate it at (for a 5" barrel) 220 Feet per second Per inch of barrel at an average transit time of 0.3 milliseconds per inch. That means you have to put, with a .01984 Pound 9/mm round, over 1.5 milliseconds, almost sixty Horsepower into that projectile.

I plead low coffee, if I slipped up the calculation, but still, it is an entertaining thought the next time you shoot a zucchini with Hydrashock..

50 posted on 07/08/2007 9:02:15 AM PDT by Gorzaloon ("Being Fat, Stupid, and believing in Global Warming is no way to grow up, Son.")
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