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Scouts' firing range irks residents
Rocky Mountain News ^ | July 7, 2007 | Ivan Moreno

Posted on 07/08/2007 11:04:40 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

Scouts' firing range irks residents

Neighbors say clay shooting events disruptive

By Ivan Moreno, Rocky Mountain News

July 7, 2007

ELBERT - Neighbors say the Peaceful Valley Scout Ranch is anything but that. The realization came after an explosion of shotgun blasts from the camp in May, when Boy Scouts held a two-day clay shooting fundraiser.

"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door," said Elbert County Sheriff William Frangis, who fielded numerous calls from people who live near the ranch.

The Scouts say no one complained to them.

Although the camp has had a shooting range for rifles and shotguns for years, noise has not been an issue until now.

Neighbors say part of their frustration is that the Scouts only notified them of the event with the sound of the guns, and they never applied for permit from the county.

"They didn't talk to anyone; they just did it," said 75- year-old John Dunn, a former Elbert County commissioner and 44-year county resident who lives about a quarter mile from the Scout camp.

"The noise was unbelievable," Dunn said, adding that it was enough to scare the elk, deer, and birds in the vicinity. "We haven't seen them since."

The Scouts have planned five more fundraising events from July through August, but they're waiting for a permit from the county commissioners to continue using the clay shooting range. The commissioners will hear their case Wednesday.

But while there's a cease-fire for now, residents fear more events like the one held May 19 and 20 will not only disturb their peace but will bring down the value of their properties.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; boyscouts; bsa; environmentalists; firearms; molonlabe; rifles; scouting; shotguns; summercamp; treehuggers
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"Although the camp has had a shooting range for rifles and shotguns for years, noise has not been an issue until now."

If the scouts and their range has been there for years, this might be a lot like moving next door to an airport or a gold course.

These whiners should have considered living close to a gun range before they purchased their homes...

1 posted on 07/08/2007 11:04:43 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Shotguns?

When I was in BSA, we learned on .22s.

This seems like a liberal nonsense account.


2 posted on 07/08/2007 11:06:33 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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Allow the boy scouts to use silencers. Problem solved! Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
3 posted on 07/08/2007 11:07:45 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

They don’t call it Rifle and Shotgun merit badge for nothing.


4 posted on 07/08/2007 11:08:07 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
They were sponsoring a 'clays' fundraiser. Shotguns are used in such an event.

And for the record, there is a shotgunning merit badge offered by the BSA. The camp which Lurker Jr will be attending this month has a shotgun range for just that purpose.

L

5 posted on 07/08/2007 11:09:23 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Lol.

OK where’s that handbook...

(tossing dust-covered Estes rockets aside)


6 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:13 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Colorado has been Californicated.


7 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is a rifle & shotgun merit badge - it was my introduction to shooting.

I went to 10 Mile River scout camp in upstate NY - great times. I hope to have a son or sons to participate in Scouting with!

It was my introduction to firearms, a passion to this day. I have bigger guns now but love to shoot .22 LR - it brings me back in time.


8 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:53 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: DogByte6RER
"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door," said Elbert County Sheriff William Frangis, who fielded numerous calls from people who live near the ranch.

I doubt they would have complained if had actually been Hamas next door. Instead, it's those intolerant Scouts.

9 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:57 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: DogByte6RER

“The Scouts have planned five more fundraising events from July through August, but they’re waiting for a permit from the county commissioners to continue using the clay shooting range. The commissioners will hear their case Wednesday.”
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These Scouts better come up with five new ways to raise funds!


10 posted on 07/08/2007 11:11:20 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with politicians IS the War On Terror!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I was wrong, they've split the old Rifle and Shotgun merit badge into two separate badges:


11 posted on 07/08/2007 11:12:59 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Anyone know if Fred Thompson was a Boyscout?


12 posted on 07/08/2007 11:14:49 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: DogByte6RER
“The noise was unbelievable,” Dunn said, adding that it was enough to scare the elk, deer, and birds in the vicinity. “We haven’t seen them since.”

What BS ! Shotguns, particularly with clay loads, make minimal noise. This crap sort of reminds me of the Montgomery County, Md. that tried to have a guy arrested for smoking in his house, because she claimed she could smell it a couple of blocks away.

Unfortunately, the liberal left, after having ruined Kalifornia, has taken over much of the rest of the West and is in the process of trying to destroy it as well.

13 posted on 07/08/2007 11:16:44 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: DogByte6RER
They didn't talk to anyone; they just did it

Freedom, we hardly knew ye.

14 posted on 07/08/2007 11:20:26 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: DogByte6RER

If our youth is cheated out of the chance to learn how shoot; who will be able to defend these pisssheaded freeks from the many enemies of this nation?


15 posted on 07/08/2007 11:27:27 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: DogByte6RER
"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door,"

Nice comparison. This guy must be gay and have it in for the Scouts to make an asinine statement like that.

16 posted on 07/08/2007 11:29:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Weeedley

Republicans need to start contributing to the Scouts, the way the leftists contribute to the ACLU.

Seriously. It’s a great program. Nothing else like it.

We need to rally behind them. There are lots of nasty leftists out there fighting against them.


17 posted on 07/08/2007 11:29:21 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: DogByte6RER
"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door,"

If an elected official said this about what goes on in the wahhabist mosques, it'd be hate speech and President Jorge would already be publicly condemning them. But calling peaceful American shooters terrorists is just business as usual.

18 posted on 07/08/2007 11:30:19 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Have a boy who was in scouting and now he is a National Guardsman and in college ROTC studying to become a ARMY officer. He won the Excellence in Armor award in basic and is third generation ARMY.

Scouting WORKS!


19 posted on 07/08/2007 11:34:28 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If the scouts and their range has been there for years, this might be a lot like moving next door to an airport or a gold course.

The military has been dealing with this for years. It's called urban intrusion and the base usually ends up closing mostly all because the people who moved near there were too stupid to check into what was in that locale before they moved in.

Living next to a gold course would be something.

20 posted on 07/08/2007 11:35:29 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: SandRat

Here is one for the scout list.
Busy bodies trying to make trouble they must have very good ears to hear shotguns from that far away.


21 posted on 07/08/2007 11:36:20 AM PDT by scottteng (Proud parent of a Star scout.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Yeah, El Torro in these parts closed down.

Also that base up by the Bay area. Don’t remember the name.

But the important thing is to start to turn around the stifling un-American, dingy dumbing down and politically correct WHINING which has made so incredible inroads on what used to be a country of optimistic individualists.

Sheesh. I’m getting so tired of leftwingers telling everyone what to do.

I’d like to go dump some tea in San Francisco harbor.


22 posted on 07/08/2007 11:38:26 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: DogByte6RER
In addition to the shooting that our troop does at camp, we usually do one camp out at a local range where they get to shoot 22 s. But the adults use 9 mm.
23 posted on 07/08/2007 11:38:51 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (California : home of the fruits, nuts and flakes.)
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To: DogByte6RER

***Although the camp has had a shooting range for rifles and shotguns for years, noise has not been an issue until now.***

Sounds like people who just moved in and now want the “old-timers” to change their lives to suit them.

It’s going on all the time all over the country. Let them sue the developers who did not apprise them of the noise, or better yet, Caveat emptor should apply.


24 posted on 07/08/2007 11:46:28 AM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Also that base up by the Bay area. Don’t remember the name.

Which base was that? Moffett Field Naval Air Station? Hunters Point Naval Shipyard? Alameda Island NAS, where the carriers also docked? Presido of San Francisco? Perhaps south of SF Bay, Fort Ord? Two Air Force bases were closed near Sacramento.

25 posted on 07/08/2007 11:59:53 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr

Yes, Presidio, that’s the one I was thinking of.

Thanks.


26 posted on 07/08/2007 12:02:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: SandRat

There should be a Ping Merit Badge.


27 posted on 07/08/2007 12:08:58 PM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: DogByte6RER

Who was there first?


28 posted on 07/08/2007 12:10:12 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Weeedley
who will be able to defend these pisssheaded freeks from the many enemies of this nation?

These pissheaded freaks ARE the enemy our nation needs to be defended against.

29 posted on 07/08/2007 12:21:01 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Amen, we got plenty of enemies both foreign and domestic.
30 posted on 07/08/2007 12:22:30 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I’d like to go dump some tea in San Francisco harbor.

If you make that 20 tons of Rice-A-Roni ("The San Francisco Treat") I'll join you.

31 posted on 07/08/2007 12:24:38 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: jimtorr

You left out Hamilton Field, in Marin County.

Also, Naval Station Treasure Island ...where I did my Basic.

Big chunks of Concord Naval Weapons Station...if not all of it by now.


32 posted on 07/08/2007 12:28:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
I went to 10 Mile River scout camp in upstate NY...

Where's that? I went to Camp Bedford, a long time ago.

WWW

33 posted on 07/08/2007 12:32:31 PM PDT by kitchen (Hey, Pericles. What are the three things a ruler must know?)
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To: DogByte6RER
"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door," said Elbert County Sheriff William Frangis...

The Sheriff speaks like a kitten.

34 posted on 07/08/2007 12:39:00 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: kitkat
It’s going on all the time all over the country. Let them sue the developers who did not apprise them of the noise, or better yet, Caveat emptor should apply.

It doesn't work that way. Almost all communities have laws on the books dealing with noise in residential neighborhoods. If the shooting range is in violation of those ordinances, then it's at fault and it doesn't matter who was there first. That's just life.

When I was a kid, we used to race motocross at a track located East of Colorado Springs. When the city grew Eastward, and the noise bothered those in new developments, the track had to close. That's just the way it works.

35 posted on 07/08/2007 12:40:06 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

...and the nice neighbors can be tested for the whining merit badge, but then on second thought, they wouldn’t be “merit” badgers then would they?


36 posted on 07/08/2007 12:53:52 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: DogByte6RER

BTTT


37 posted on 07/08/2007 1:06:16 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

BINGO: Old Mountain Coloradans wouldn’t give a d*mn if the Boy Scouts held a shoot-out; heck many of them probably would have kids or their friends in the contests..I know I have grandparents cousins in Den, the near Evergreen, Montrose, and grew up there untill I was 8 y/old!


38 posted on 07/08/2007 1:18:39 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: DogByte6RER

Sporting clays shotguns do not sound like a “Hamas training camp.” Even 100 yards away, it is just a muffled pop.

These neighbors just want to close down the range for political purposes. They hate guns and they hate the Boy Scouts.


39 posted on 07/08/2007 1:22:59 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: DogByte6RER
This great country is now a nation of pussies.

FMCDH(BITS)

40 posted on 07/08/2007 1:24:51 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: DogByte6RER
Although the camp has had a shooting range for rifles and shotguns for years, noise has not been an issue until now.

Grandfather clause!

41 posted on 07/08/2007 1:25:49 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: scottteng; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...
What really irritates the left/busy bodies about Scouts

Read the words carefully and you'll see.


42 posted on 07/08/2007 1:25:52 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kitchen

Narrowsburg, NY


43 posted on 07/08/2007 1:32:51 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
When I was a Boy Scout back in the 70’s, our troop would have a camp-out once a year at the Presidio. We din’t do any shooting there, but I have many fond memories of camping there. We would go and explore the abandoned coastal defense batteries and i recall how we were chased off the CO’s lawn by his poodle.
44 posted on 07/08/2007 1:38:24 PM PDT by fogofbobegabay
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To: MediaMole

Yep, I shoot sporting clays all the time, if nobody is at one of the stands next to the parking lot, you can’t hear anything.


45 posted on 07/08/2007 1:40:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DogByte6RER
Dirk Bird, director of the J BAR CC Ranch Camp, a Jewish summer camp across the road, said he's worried that if fundraising events persist on weekends they will "adversely impact our religious services."

The Denver Area Council BSA has for many years made offers for the property
of the J BAR CC camp adjacent to Peaceful Valley ranch.

The offers were always never high enough, the offers were always above market value.


46 posted on 07/08/2007 1:46:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: MacDorcha
Well, in a way there is, sort of --

There is the


47 posted on 07/08/2007 1:48:15 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

http://www.denverboyscouts.org/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=10942&orgkey=1701
“Raising in excess of $200,000, this year’s Sporting Clays Invitational was an unprecedented success. Held May 19th at the Peaceful Valley Scout Ranch and sponsored by Coors Brewing Company, AMG National Bank and Wells Fargo, the event boasted 31 shooting teams. The money raised during this year’s event ensures that Scouts enjoy a quality and safe experience at Denver Boy Scout properties. For more information or to participate in the 2008 event please send inquiries to sportingclays@denverboyscouts.org.”
To all in Colorado go bust some clays next year to support your boy scouts. Please note the boy scout reservation is 3000 acres not some tiny old camp in the middle of suburbia.


48 posted on 07/08/2007 2:10:53 PM PDT by scottteng (Proud parent of a Star scout.)
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To: SandRat
Read the words carefully and you'll see.

That pretty much sums up everything the left is against.

49 posted on 07/08/2007 2:22:59 PM PDT by Sender (Success in warfare is gained by carefully accommodating ourselves to the enemy's purpose.)
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To: Sender

It gets even worse for then when they go to the 12 Points of the Scout Law. You should enjoy this link http://usscouts.org/boyscouts/jwlaw.html


50 posted on 07/08/2007 2:29:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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