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More women feeling skeptical about Clinton's authenticity - though they wish they weren't
The Dallas Morning News ^ | July 8, 2007 | Melinda Henneberger

Posted on 07/08/2007 3:49:20 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

The most appealing thing about Hillary Rodham Clinton has always been her enemies, who often seem not in their right mind, screaming that she is a murderer and calling her names like "Her Thighness." They make you want to like her.

Yet in interviews across the country with women of all ages, races, income brackets and points of view, one of the rare patches of common ground was skepticism about the first female presidential contender with a serious shot at the White House. Over 18 months, I traveled to 20 states listening to women speak at length about what they care about and what drives them crazy as they look toward the presidential election in '08. I ought to like her, many of the strongest Democrats among them said. But on no other matter did left, right and center converge as on the view best summed up as "Anybody but Hillary' – to the point that I began to dread the mention of her name, because it meant we would probably not get around to talking about anything else that day.

All of which runs contrary to the accepted narrative of this election cycle, which is that it is women who are leading the charge for Mrs. Clinton's candidacy. Polling, which at this point still mainly measures name ID, certainly shows a far more mixed picture for Mrs. Clinton where female voters are concerned; 51 percent of those who participated in a recent Washington Post-ABC News survey said they support her for the Democratic nomination.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; fake; fraud; grifter; hillary; hillaryclinton; hitlery; scamartist; womensvote
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The answer is not very complicated.

Q: Why are women more skeptical of Hillary than men?

A: Because women are much better at spotting phonies and disengenuous people than men are.

We all know it.

1 posted on 07/08/2007 3:49:22 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084

She is authentic. Authentically creepy. Authentically criminal. Authentically evil.


2 posted on 07/08/2007 3:54:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Eric Blair 2084
the guilt that many women expressed over their lack of enthusiasm for her.

Ooooh, sexism is a bad thing in everybody else, but we have to support our girl because she represents all of us with sweater decorations and then feel guilty when the reality trumps the wishes.

Sheesh.

3 posted on 07/08/2007 3:54:34 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
More women feeling skeptical about Clinton's authenticity

Perhaps this means that more women are now able to identify a phony the way more men were able to identify her husband as a phony.

4 posted on 07/08/2007 3:55:35 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Eric Blair 2084
If I don't know the person, I always vote for the woman" in any given race, says Paula Hughes, a Boston Democrat

I guess only men can be sexist.

5 posted on 07/08/2007 3:55:56 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

” listening to women speak at length “

Larry the Cable Guy says, “That’s your problem, right there. Women should be obscene and not heard.”

Forgive me Jesus, and all the little queers in dance class.


6 posted on 07/08/2007 3:56:14 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Why on earth would women feel guilty about not voting for Hillary? As a mother of two daughters, I’d have to say Hillary is the antithesis of a female role model. I’d feel guilty telling my daughters that Hillary was the best female we could come up with.


7 posted on 07/08/2007 3:57:51 PM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: Eric Blair 2084
as much as I love the idea of Clinton squared, I can't trust her – even though I don't like myself for that.

It just goes on.

Why in the heck do you "like the idea of Clinton" if YOU CAN'T FREAKIN' TRUST HER???

And why in the heck do you FELL GUILTY ABOUT IT?

Have I stepped into an alternate universe here???

8 posted on 07/08/2007 3:58:14 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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9 posted on 07/08/2007 3:58:27 PM PDT by honolulugal
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I think the main reason is, she reminds every woman of her mother-in-law*, and every man of his ex-wife.

She's a screeching, hectoring, holier-than-thou, Marxist Marie Antoinette.

I don't give a flip that's she's ugly and fat. I know plenty of ugly, fat people who are kind, honest, and humble, but hardworking and reliable. Sort of folks you can count on in a jam -- and you don't even notice they're homely or chubby, because their goodness illuminates them from inside and makes them beautiful. It wouldn't make any difference if Hillary had features like Catherine Deneuve -- her inner ugliness would distort and smear them.

*my mother-in-law excepted, she's nice. I think maybe it's every woman's idea of the wicked mother-in-law of legend.

10 posted on 07/08/2007 3:59:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I tend to agree with you about that. Women have an uncanny knack of spotting phonies and disingenuous people, as you mentioned.
11 posted on 07/08/2007 3:59:32 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: gcruse
"Larry the Cable Guy says..., “Women should be obscene"

Looks pretty obscene to me.

12 posted on 07/08/2007 4:00:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Eric Blair 2084
women across the political spectrum declared themselves beyond ready for a woman in the White House.

Well, duh. Let's try to be a little discriminating, please, and drop the guilt trips.

13 posted on 07/08/2007 4:00:49 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
A: Because women are much better at spotting phonies and disengenuous people than men are.

Not in my life time they've not been.......

14 posted on 07/08/2007 4:01:11 PM PDT by Osage Orange (“To call illegal aliens, undocumented workers, is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists.”)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yes, she does. Now if she’ll just work on the ‘not heard’ part, it’d be a good thing.


15 posted on 07/08/2007 4:02:02 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Osage Orange
Not in my life time they've not been.......

Women are certainly harder on other women than they are on men...

16 posted on 07/08/2007 4:02:54 PM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: Eric Blair 2084
“first female presidential contender with a serious shot at the White House”

Hillary’s a female? Whodathunk?

17 posted on 07/08/2007 4:03:01 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: vetsvette

Naah. She’s a female. She just isn’t a lady.


18 posted on 07/08/2007 4:04:41 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think the main reason is, she reminds every woman of her mother-in-law*, and every man of his ex-wife.

This could not have been explained better. Thanks.

19 posted on 07/08/2007 4:06:56 PM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I find it hard to believe that women in this country would take any pride in that marxist sow being the 1st female President.


20 posted on 07/08/2007 4:07:21 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: rawhide

Among other women, not usually among men. I suspect this is due to what I thought would happen all along. We moved out of the new neighborhood, but, thanks to my wife, we never moved away from all the society women, and by in large, these women, like most women, took the catfight aspects they once had in high school, and went professional with it out in the real world.

That is just the truth. The reason Hillary is not going to be president is because there will be a certain number of women who vote against her out of jealousy alone. But by in large, I am going to say most women can’t spot a phony on sight, because so many well, fall for them, or certainly buy their crap. Much in the same way that a man will often be blinded to the certain negative traits in a woman he’d certainly see in a man.


21 posted on 07/08/2007 4:07:35 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I stand by my Tagline


22 posted on 07/08/2007 4:09:30 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"Because women are much better at spotting phonies and disengenuous [sic] people than men are. We all know it.

How does this work? Just assert that any silly thing is true and start proclaiming it so? Then declare the assertion to be universal in its acceptance in an attempt to stave off any who disagree?


23 posted on 07/08/2007 4:11:51 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: gcruse

LOL! I love him.


24 posted on 07/08/2007 4:13:37 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Eric Blair 2084

25 posted on 07/08/2007 4:13:45 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: Osage Orange
Not in my life time they've not been.......

They were taken in by Bill "I feel your pain" Clinton!!!

26 posted on 07/08/2007 4:14:32 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MosesKnows
Perhaps this means that more women are now able to identify a phony the way more men were able to identify her husband as a phony.

Then how do you explain the success of Oprah?

27 posted on 07/08/2007 4:14:46 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: VR-21
"I find it hard to believe that women in this country would take any pride in that marxist sow being the 1st female President."

We are surrounded by idiots. Anything is possible.

28 posted on 07/08/2007 4:15:03 PM PDT by LEARNED FOREVER
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To: Eric Blair 2084

A: Because women are much better at spotting phonies and disengenuous people than men are.

We all know it.

Speak for yourself. They didn’t see Bill “I feel your pain” Clinton for what he was.

Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a serious shot at the presidency, and never has. That is rubbish pushed by a hopeful media. Women in NYC disliked Hillary in surprising percentages even before her first senate run. I well recall the NY Post stories on the subject.


29 posted on 07/08/2007 4:15:06 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Eric Blair 2084

30 posted on 07/08/2007 4:16:58 PM PDT by Gritty (Hillary sees herself as both entitled to be in charge, and personally above the law -Bay Buchanan)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“They were taken in by Bill “I feel your pain” Clinton!!!

HOLY CRAP, DUDE, check out what I posted at#29 without ever seeing your post!


31 posted on 07/08/2007 4:20:19 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: fieldmarshaldj

She is the most authentic bitch I have ever seen come along.


32 posted on 07/08/2007 4:21:22 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Hillary and her "supporters"...


33 posted on 07/08/2007 4:21:39 PM PDT by scan58 (Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals.)
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To: TalBlack

You’re right. Women do not have better judgment on public figures than men do. I would say it’s worse.

You’re wrong that Shrillary doesn’t have a chance. Team Clinton are masters of politics, and they’re ruthless. The mealy-mouthed misgivings of moderates, and the liberals’ demand for outspoken leftism, that this columnist is hearing are real enough. They will not, in the end, be decisive political factors.


34 posted on 07/08/2007 4:23:52 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Now, now, no need to insult female dogs by comparing them to the junior Senator from New York.


35 posted on 07/08/2007 4:24:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: California Patriot

Married women are usually OK, it’s the single ones that usually don’t show good judgment.


36 posted on 07/08/2007 4:25:41 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Biggest.....phony....ever!

What actual feminist would stick with Bill ‘complete scumbag’ Clinton? Why do some feminists support her? Because feminism was never about lifting up women, it was always about promoting liberal politics. Liberal women using naive women to turn the country harder left.


37 posted on 07/08/2007 4:26:06 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically))
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To: Cowboy Bob
Then how do you explain the success of Oprah?

Give Cowboy Bob a cigar!!!

38 posted on 07/08/2007 4:27:05 PM PDT by eekitsagreek (dum dum DUUMMM!!!! I'm Captain Chaos and this is my faithful companion Cato! Say hello Cato!)
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To: TalBlack
They didn’t see Bill “I feel your pain” Clinton for what he was.

That's because so many women thought he was so good looking.

Women in NYC disliked Hillary in surprising percentages even before her first senate run.

Sadly, she was still elected.

39 posted on 07/08/2007 4:28:42 PM PDT by eekitsagreek (dum dum DUUMMM!!!! I'm Captain Chaos and this is my faithful companion Cato! Say hello Cato!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

What’s wrong with “Her Thighness”? It’s very much to the point.

She thinks she’s she’s entitled to be addressed as a Queen; there’s no doubt about that. Nor is there any doubt that her presumption is wrong.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 4:28:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think the main reason is, she reminds every woman of her mother-in-law*, and every man of his ex-wife.

DING, DING, WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

41 posted on 07/08/2007 4:36:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Cicero

I find it sad that someone would vote for someone because they are a woman, or black, or white, etc. etc. Maybe there should be a test before allowed to vote, like there is to become a citizen.


42 posted on 07/08/2007 4:38:01 PM PDT by msflea
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"For the record, I heard very few complaints about Mrs. Clinton's decision to stay in her marriage. To the extent that her husband is a factor, he seems to be an asset; many women, centrists in particular, said they wished they could vote for him a third time."

It's not always true that women can spot phonies. They'd vote for Bill a third time, according to the above article. As much as I may dislike Hillary, Bill is the bigger phony.

43 posted on 07/08/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: Eric Blair 2084
A: Because women are much better at spotting phonies and disengenuous people than men are.

In general terms, this is true only if it is another woman under scrutiny. If it is a man, they're as gullible as can be.

Each sex generally understands certain ground rules about themselves and can easily spot pretenders or sense when something is wrong with one of their gender. Authentic wisdom, OTOH, isn't generally present in either sex.
44 posted on 07/08/2007 4:47:59 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Now with an improved red neck!)
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To: Cicero

Hillary has more testosterone running through her veins than Edwards.

If you believe that the world needs less testosterone and more estrogen (you can make the logical argument), he's your candidate.

45 posted on 07/08/2007 4:48:10 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The first tip off was her change of name...again. She’s back to Hillary Clinton. Now that she’s dropped the Rodham, the Feminists aren’t happy.


46 posted on 07/08/2007 4:50:09 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: VR-21

Sure there are women who would celebrate her presidency. They’re mostly from on of the Republics...the People’s Republic of Santa Monica, CA, the People’s Republic of San Francisco, the People’s Republic of Mass., PR of VT......


47 posted on 07/08/2007 4:55:44 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The Dallas Morning News left out the crossword and the cryptograms today. That’s the only reason to get this paper.


48 posted on 07/08/2007 4:57:16 PM PDT by altura
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Doy you know why hillary doesn’t wear underwear?

It gives her a better grip on her broomstick..


49 posted on 07/08/2007 4:57:29 PM PDT by Wil H (So just what IS the Globe's optimum temperature?)
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To: Wil H
Thanks. After all, who needs to eat dinner ?
50 posted on 07/08/2007 4:58:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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