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Turmoil in Tulsa: The illegal immigration wreck
MSNBC ^ | By Kari Huus

Posted on 07/09/2007 8:01:52 AM PDT by F15Eagle

For reader, accident with apparent illegal alien crystallized city's changes

TULSA, Okla. - “Our sovereignty is under direct attack,” warns a commanding voice emanating from a pool of light in the corner of an otherwise dark airplane hangar. Dan Howard, an airplane salesman by day, is in the middle of his weekly two-hour radio show titled Outraged Patriots, a nighttime broadcast devoted entirely to the topic of illegal immigration.

Howard, who charges that the U.S. government is failing in its duty to protect the country from a “silent invasion” by illegal immigrants, taps into a deep vein of anger and unease in this conservative south central city, where many longtime residents feel besieged by a recent wave of mostly Hispanic newcomers.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; crimaliens; cwii; illegalimmigration; illegalinvasion; immigrantlist; shamnesty; tulsa
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Cutting it a bit short because there's another bit of the article that needs to be posted (right behind this).
1 posted on 07/09/2007 8:01:57 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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More shocking, though, was what they heard from the police officer who responded to the accident: The other driver, a young Hispanic man, did not speak English, did not have a driver’s license or insurance. The officer suspected the man was an illegal immigrant, Rutledge said, but he did not check his immigration status because such inquiries weren’t allowed in misdemeanor cases.

Before taking the other driver to jail, Rutledge said, the officer told him he should just go home and forget about it.
2 posted on 07/09/2007 8:03:28 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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3 posted on 07/09/2007 8:04:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: 3AngelaD; blam; Travis McGee; VOA; Diogenesis; dennisw; Extremely Extreme Extremist; JeffAtlanta; ..

fyi


4 posted on 07/09/2007 8:05:35 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

Can’t let a little thing like a misdemeanor get in the way of the success of the American economy.


5 posted on 07/09/2007 8:07:52 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx
U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


6 posted on 07/09/2007 8:08:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: F15Eagle
did not check his immigration status because such inquiries weren’t allowed in misdemeanor cases

Al-Queda and their ilk have known about this and have their cells in place here and ready for action.

7 posted on 07/09/2007 8:10:39 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Notice the victim of the car crash was going to have to have his insurance company absorb the cost of the crash because of the uninsured illegal alien.


8 posted on 07/09/2007 8:10:52 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle
"Rutledge is quick to say that he is not opposed to immigration by legal means. But he says he objects to being unwillingly taken over by another culture as the result of unchecked illegal immigration."

Exactly. And I think another thing that really bothers a lot of people is that they were never asked their opinion before this takeover happened. How many communities in this country got a chance to vote on whether to be overrun by people from another culture? How many politicians, at any level of government, ran on a platform that included unlimited illegal immigration and a takeover of American communities by illegal and parasitic strangers? No, we were not asked. In a country where there are knock-down drag-out fights over changes in zoning ordinances, this incredible and destructive change in our communities and in our lives was imposed on us from above. This is a representative democracy, but we were never consulted.

9 posted on 07/09/2007 8:11:58 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: F15Eagle

Bump.


10 posted on 07/09/2007 8:12:16 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Travis McGee

This article about Tulsa scared me to death. I think it’s too late. The invasion has already been accomplished. The fact that these people and their useful idiot enablers actually believe they have rights means it is over. The next round of demands will come from the Muslims we are welcoming into the US.

It’s over, folks. There is no more USA as we knew it. The only question that remains is, how can we escape this onslaught? I wish I had a good answer.


11 posted on 07/09/2007 8:12:48 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: F15Eagle
FTA:

“I think that when someone comes in this country illegally, it starts a tradition or culture,” he said. “You come in illegally; everything you do from that point on is illegal. And so it's almost impossible to get a driver’s license or insurance so you just start breaking one law after another. I think it’s seductive. I think after a while ... you don't pay too much attention to rule of law that this country was established on.”

.....

If something is not done, he said darkly, “A lot of people believe there is civil war on the horizon.”

12 posted on 07/09/2007 8:16:12 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: AU72

As they used to say on “Laugh In” you can bet your sweet bippy the terrorists are taking advantage of this gaping hole in national security.

The policy of complicity and dereliction of duty by the current administration has furthered a swelling shell game of 20 million illegal aliens where the really bad guys are even that much harder to track down because they’re lost in a sea of others.

I doubt we’ll get much solved before the next attack but it’s way too late to get started on correcting this problem. And shamnesty wasn’t the “solution” with all of their misdirection and lies (as you know).


13 posted on 07/09/2007 8:16:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Pining_4_TX

It’s not over yet. Don’t give up. Folks, common folks, are beginning to stand up and at least some states / cities are trying to do something about it.

No surrender.


14 posted on 07/09/2007 8:17:54 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

I really hope you are right, but it seems there are just too many here now and they have some clout. The defeat of the immigration bill was grand, but nothing is being done to stem the tide of the illegal horde coming into our country every single day. I don’t see anything happening that would stop it any time soon, do you?


15 posted on 07/09/2007 8:21:08 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

Illegal Immigration is a symptom of a bigger problem...once someone goes to D.C. as representative of any stripe they become part of a club that has no accountability. We are not well served by having so much power in the hands of so few people.


16 posted on 07/09/2007 8:21:54 AM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: F15Eagle

Thank God people are starting to take matters into their own hands. This is the only way to pressure politicians and the government to act. Tought actions in Georgia are causing illegal Mexicans to go back to Mexico.


17 posted on 07/09/2007 8:23:16 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: F15Eagle

It’s not over yet. Don’t give up. Folks, common folks, are beginning to stand up and at least some states / cities are trying to do something about it.

No surrender.

Exactly. Our politicians in Washington are forcing us into an armed conflict on our own soil.


18 posted on 07/09/2007 8:23:56 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Pining_4_TX

So it begins. The call to rise up and stop the cultural invasion has been given in Tulsa, of all places. Those who have sold us out for cheap labor should fear, illegals who put their old countries first should fear, Political hacks who have sold out for gold should fear. There is a new wind blowing in America and it will sweep away the lies of muli-cultualism, political correctness and rampant liberalism. It is fueled by the voice of an enraged American public. Don’t give up on America! Raise the rattlesnake flag that reads “Don’t tread on Me!” and grab your pitchfork. We are Americas after all, and America will only die when her people give up on the ideals upon which this great land was founded. Have we grown so fat, so lazy, so sheep-like that we will do nothing as we sink into a Latin American People’s Republic? I for one think not. Let the powerful use their media and guilt to attempt to work their will, we know that real Americans still walk this land and will give their treasure and their very lives to save it. Patriots come in all colors, all races, all groups, with some of the most loyal being Latinos who have come here,legally, worked hard and fought for this grand republic. The day will come when you are for the USA or against it!


19 posted on 07/09/2007 8:29:53 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: F15Eagle

Ping from Mexican occupied New Mexico!


20 posted on 07/09/2007 8:31:53 AM PDT by tailgunner
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To: Pining_4_TX

Boot the traitors out of office. No more money to *any* group that is pro-shamnesty. Cut off their donations, at least from regular folks. Grill politicians and hold their feet to the fire.


21 posted on 07/09/2007 8:34:23 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Pining_4_TX
I really hope you are right, but it seems there are just too many here now and they have some clout.

Kinda like the Canadian thistles on my farm. I may not get the all in the end but I will get it to a controllable situation.
22 posted on 07/09/2007 8:34:47 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: x_plus_one
We are not well served by having so much power in the hands of so few people.

IMHO, is not the number of people so much as it is their longevity. An uncomfortably (for me) large number of these people have had the job for way, way too long.

From that statement you might get the idea that I am a supporter of mandatory term limits. Damn right!

23 posted on 07/09/2007 8:35:04 AM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: F15Eagle
I was t-boned by an illegal who ran a red light while driving a Blazer and talking on a cell phone. The 30+ mph collision destroyed my car (2002 Honda Civic). Before the police arrived he called his friend who owned the vehicle. This friend was apparently legal and licensed to drive. When the cops showed up, the friend took the blame and the original driver disappeared.

Those guys were idiots, I guess. They should've just played it straight and nobody would get screwed but me and my insurance carrier.

I'm lucky to be alive. He hit me on the rear door/quarter panel. If he had hit me just a fraction of a second sooner, his bumper would've tattooed my head.

24 posted on 07/09/2007 8:35:23 AM PDT by yooling (Bring the troops home; bring the war home)
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To: yooling

My Ford Explorer was destroyed by a lady going 40+ mph in a Dodge Caravan that never hit the brakes. She wasn’t illegal but I know the force of that impact. If I had been in one of my little sporty cars (which I drive now, especially because of gas prices) she could have hurt me extra bad.

I understand what you felt. After my doctor visits and stuff it was about a $15,000 tab and that was shafting me at least $4,000 on my Explorer.


25 posted on 07/09/2007 8:38:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: yooling
Those guys were idiots.........Before the police arrived he called his friend who owned the vehicle. This friend was apparently legal and licensed to drive. When the cops showed up, the friend took the blame and the original driver disappeared.

Hardly----the name of the game is "put one over on the Anglos."

26 posted on 07/09/2007 8:43:54 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Pining_4_TX
"It’s over, folks. There is no more USA as we knew it. The only question that remains is, how can we escape this onslaught? I wish I had a good answer."

Get a grip man. It is not over. The comprehensive immigration bill failed. Now the magnitude and problems associated with illegal immigration are out in the open, on the table, and people are paying attention. Oklahoma's new immigration law is in play and will be effective come November 1st. Question is what is the next step, what do we want and what is the best solution? We all need to get informed, get involved and get our voices heard on the issue locally, state-wide, and federally. Get active where you are.

27 posted on 07/09/2007 8:46:06 AM PDT by maxter
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To: All

Using taxes, and tax-paid government offices, to advocate illegal acts, means any and all government officials involved should be charged with aiding and abetting.

Insurance companies that bond government employees (to protect taxpayers against government fraud) should also be
notified-—since activities involving illegal acts (A) impairs gov’t employees’ bonding terms, and, (B) the ability to be bonded.


28 posted on 07/09/2007 8:51:25 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: F15Eagle

This happened to my aunt. She was crossing the street in a crosswalk and was hit by an illegal. Both of her legs were smashed, and she had other serious injuries. The doctors didn’t think she would live and if she did, she would never walk again. Thanks be to God, after spending over a year in the hospital and rehab, she did live and learned to walk again. All of her expenses were paid by HER insurance. We never did find out what happened to the scumbag who hit her. The police probably told him what this one did — go home and forget about it. And our esteemed senators and congressmen can’t understand why we don’t want “immigration reform”. Un-freakin-believable!


29 posted on 07/09/2007 8:54:53 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Polyxene

All the more reason “see ya at the bill signing” in the face of the American people stating they did not want shamnesty really ticked me off.

I’m glad other patriotic Americans are standing up on this thing.


30 posted on 07/09/2007 8:57:24 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Pining_4_TX
I'll give you some good answers:

1. Stop ALL welfare payments to illegals. No more taxpayer dollars for non-citizens, regardless of how they and and their tax-fattened public interest lawyers pitch sob stories to the media.

2. Break the law: get deported immediately. Driving without a license, registration, insurance, DWI, drug possession, welfare fraud, whatever. One strike and you're out. There is no earthly reason for American citizens to subsidize social pathologies imported to their communities. I don't care if we load them into a fleet of rented Greyhounds every week and give the drivers an extra $200 apiece not to make any stops until they get to Mexico; it'll be worth it. If the Mexican government complains, tell them to shut up or our annual $32 billion in "foreign assistance" to Mexico will be redirected somewhere else. We might even use some of it to....

3. Build the Goddamned fence, already. Even 800 miles of a solid barrier would make a difference.

31 posted on 07/09/2007 8:59:35 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Maybe we could get a bunch of those pop and rock stars to together and throw a “Save America” concert. I’m sure they’d be all for it! /s


32 posted on 07/09/2007 8:59:38 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: tailgunner

As an aside, I just returned from a month in TX and NM (mostly NM). I had not been there in about 4 years, and WOW I was amazed at the number of people there, period. And of course, Roswell seemed more like a town in Mexico than a town in the US (with the alien thing thrown in for good measure of course). We had intended to retire in NM, but I’m not so sure now.
susie


33 posted on 07/09/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: yooling
I was injured in a motorcycle accident caused by an illegal alien. He made a left turn right in front of me. I slammed my brakes, slid onto the pavement, and came to rest next to his tire. He continued on into the parking lot of a grocery store while I picked myself up, and walked my bike to the side of the road. Witnesses came up to tell me they saw the whole thing.

This was in 1985 in LA. The guy didn't even run away. No one had cell phones in those days. I went to a pay phone and called the cops. They got there a few minutes later, just as the guy was coming out of the store. The guy was with his wife. He didn't speak a word of English, looked like one of those guys from way in the mountains where they are Indian, not mestizo. About 5'2" tall. Wife was about 4'11".

I asked the cop to arrest him for leaving the scene. The cop would not. The guy did not have insurance. I asked him to impound the guy's car, so I could have it to collect against for my damages. I was limping and bleeding. The cop would not. The cop checked his record; there was a warrant for his arrest, because he had failed to appear at some court proceedings, I don't know what kind. The cop issued him a citation for that, meaning he was told he had to appear at a hearing for failing to appear. Fat chance.

I was shocked. The guy was clearly illegal. I thought, in my naive 25 year old mind, that the guy and his wife should have been handed over to INS for deportation, and that their car should have been impounded, sold at auction and that the proceeds could be used to pay for the $1000 or so damage I suffered. Unfortunately, the fix was in even way back then. The guy and his wife were probably among those who got amnesty the following year, and are now Spanish speaking Villaraigosa voters.

34 posted on 07/09/2007 9:05:43 AM PDT by Defiant (Hunter if we can; Thompson if we can't; Romney if we must, Rudy if we wanna lose.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


35 posted on 07/09/2007 9:07:53 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Pining_4_TX
This article about Tulsa scared me to death. I think it’s too late. The invasion has already been accomplished.

Well, it can damned well be unaccomplished!
Even if we have to replace every elected (and appointed) official from the president down to the local councilman.

Just saying.

36 posted on 07/09/2007 9:14:47 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: 3AngelaD
This is a representative democracy, but we were never consulted.

It once WAS a representative democracy, but now it appears that our "leaders" are representing Mexico, not America, but WE'RE the ones paying the price.

37 posted on 07/09/2007 9:21:04 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Publius6961
Even if we have to replace every elected (and appointed) official from the president down to the local councilman.

Absolutely.
38 posted on 07/09/2007 9:21:28 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle
"All your country are belong to us, amigo..."


39 posted on 07/09/2007 9:25:57 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Pining_4_TX

You must google “Operation Wetback”


40 posted on 07/09/2007 9:28:13 AM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: janetgreen
Yes now it’s become rife with calculated-sound-bite frauds who speak well to get in to further their hidden agendas.

They must be rooted out and not given political office again.

I can only hope Lindsey Graham is remembered for the sellout he is next time around. He will be one of the first. And a few representatives have to go, too.

41 posted on 07/09/2007 9:30:02 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

If we had more babies, then our own children would be doing these jobs.


42 posted on 07/09/2007 9:30:26 AM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: Defiant

I was hit by an illegal in northern Virginia a couple of years ago. They had to call in a Spanish speaking cop because he spoke no English at all. He was not wearing a seat belt and hit the steering wheel hard. Had to be taken to the hospital, where of course he got treatment courtesy of the taxpayer. Luckily I and my children were unharmed, but my insurance paid the $1600 repair bill and my car was in the shop for 3 weeks.


43 posted on 07/09/2007 9:30:57 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Thanks anyway, Nancy, but we already have a Commander-in-Chief!)
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To: 3AngelaD
The mayor of Tulsa is a Hillary wanna-be lying clone.....

She's all for having T-Town be a sanctuary city...you can bet on that.

44 posted on 07/09/2007 9:31:58 AM PDT by Osage Orange (“To call illegal aliens, undocumented workers, is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists.”)
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To: F15Eagle

ALL Law enforcement agencies that refuse to enforce illegal invader laws should have their funds cut.


45 posted on 07/09/2007 9:32:01 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: maxter
Get a grip man. It is not over. The comprehensive immigration bill failed. Now the magnitude and problems associated with illegal immigration are out in the open, on the table, and people are paying attention. Oklahoma's new immigration law is in play and will be effective come November 1st. Question is what is the next step, what do we want and what is the best solution? We all need to get informed, get involved and get our voices heard on the issue locally, state-wide, and federally. Get active where you are.

Right On! Now is the time to get involved.

46 posted on 07/09/2007 9:37:28 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Wonder if insurance companies calculate losses due to illegal invasion? At least in relation to what they pay out in motor vehicle accident claims?


47 posted on 07/09/2007 9:41:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&hl=en

http://wakeupamerica.org/

http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/


48 posted on 07/09/2007 9:44:14 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: F15Eagle

Speaking of sound bites...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkN2fYnMTBs

If you think that’s bad...his record is WORSE!


49 posted on 07/09/2007 9:46:39 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: huldah1776
If we had more babies, then our own children would be doing these jobs

Why don't you share that thought with the thousands of textile workers and meat processing workers and construction workers who were thrown aside like garbage by management in favor of illegal aliens? Share it with the people who are turned down flat for employment in the hospitality industry or as cashiers because they only speak English- and this in their own country! For that matter, share it with IT people and medical professionals (including doctors and nurses) who've lost their jobs to HB1 legal immigrants. It was NOT a lack of bodies to fill positions that lost these thousands upon thousands of Americans their jobs-it was simply a desire to save money. PERIOD.

50 posted on 07/09/2007 9:50:03 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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