China Industries International
their new corporate logo...
Posted on 07/09/2007 2:51:03 PM PDT by wildbill
There's a factory in Chengdu that pickles the vegetables in DDVP.' ...now the managers of pickled vegetable factories say that, 'We don't eat any of these pickles in Sichuan, we sell them to people from other provinces.'
After some secret interviews, I finally uncovered the truth about this business... I noticed the salt used was not only whiter than most salt, but finer.
So I asked, 'How come it's so white?' The manager said, 'This salt is bought on the black market. It's cheaper by fifty yuan a jin.' Later, I saw printed on the bags of salt the terrifying words, 'Industrial Salt', and 'Not for human consumption.'
...I said, 'Do the other factories use it?' And the workers all nodded in reply.
A few days later I returned to the factory, and noticed lots of little insects crawling around the vats of pickled vegetables, and I asked why there were so many insects. The manager said, '... but when we add the chemicals they all disappear.' A little later, a worker started adding chemicals to the vats. I asked what the chemicals were and the worker replied that they were insect killers. He also said that to ensure that no insects got to them, the pickles would be sprayed with insecticide every two or three days until they left the factory.
When I asked exactly what kind of insecticide it was, both the manager and the workers said that they didn't know. Because there was no label on the bottle of the chemical they used, I took a small sample of the red liquid, put it in a sealed container and sent it off to be checked by the China Food Import Export Investigation Centre, and was told that this chemical was 99% strength DDVP . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at opendemocracy.net ...
Nothing new here. It’s the same stuff as went on in industrialized nations years ago.
China Industries International True.
That's where we got branding from. Your life depended on eating foods that were known to be safe and healthy.
Trademarking was a way of creating a 'mark' that even the illiterate masses could read.
A really scary read when you think of the unconcern for human life in China’s new ‘capitalist’ economy that we do so much business with. And it points out it wasn’t in this one factory or product.
could you document some stuff that would give credibility to your proclamation?
Think it's time to swear off Chinese restaurants too.
Ping
No, branding actually came from England. One of the first “brands” as we know it today was Pears Soap — which was promoted via a now famous poster. Before that, soap was largely a commodity and tied to the store that sold it.
In the U.S. the FDA was started after Massengill (Yes, that Massengill) poisoned a bunch of people with an over the counter medicine in 1937.
Taste of Raspberries, Taste of Death
The 1937 Elixir Sulfanilamide Incident
http://www.fda.gov/oc/history/elixir.html
Also see Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle, which prompted reforms in the meat packing industry.
Upton Sinclair’s novel has been debunked. As has his defense of Sacco and Vanzetti.
The novel was never debunked as far as I know. Do you have a source?
so.....your only link goes to the American incident that revealed more than 70 years ago what poison diethelene glycol is........yet you pooh pooh castigating the deliberate misuse of it (and other profit-increasing chemicals and processes) by chinese firms because it increases their profit by a minuscule amount.
sum-ting-wong-here....and it ain’t the American side of our food supply!
I’ll leave the meatpacking subject to you....for their faults, the FDA and DA have served us pretty well, and made what they have learned available to any and all.....the state and industry of china obviously have not partaken of the knowledge or motivation (or maybe even worse, if intent is involved). Excuses are unacceptable, ESPECIALLY the ancient history examples like you offered.
Armand Hammer was a commie.
I didn’t pooh-pooh anything. I also think the FDA etc. serve a valuable purpose. My point was that what is going on in China is not new.
When I think of branding, I think of associating a name with particular product.
If you find that an acceptable definition, then I think branding predates Pears Soap. For instance, the name "Falernian" was associated with great wine 2,000 years ago --- famously, there is still extant in the ruins of Pompeii scratched on the wall something to the effect "For one as you can drink wine; for two, you can drink the best; for four, you can drink Falernian." (You can look at Wine and Rome and Falernian: Wine of the Ancients for some discussion of this most famous wine.)
Following this link specifically on Roman vintages from the former article, I found this salient quote:
"It is as if a man were fond of Falernian wine, but did not want it so new as last year's, nor again so old as to search out a cask from the vintages of Opimius [121 BC] or Anicius [160 BC]. 'But those brands are acknowledged to be the best!' Yes I know, but too old a wine has not the mellowness which we want, and in fact it is scarcely longer fit to drink. If that then is one's feeling, need he go to the other extreme and hold, if he wants a potable wine, that it must be drawn from the fresh vat? Certainly not; he would look for a wine of moderate age" (Brutus, LXXXIII.287-288).(My emphasis added.)
I think of branding as a way to de-commodify and add perceived value to a mass produced product.
From Wikipedia:
Dichlorvos (2,2-dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate), or DDVP is a highly volatile organophosphate, widely used as a fumigant to control household, public health, and stored product insects. It is effective against mushroom flies, aphids, spider mites, caterpillars, thrips, and whiteflies in greenhouse, outdoor fruit, and vegetable crops, and also for the milling and grain handling industries. Dichlorvos is used to treat a variety of parasitic worm infections in dogs, livestock, and humans, and can be fed to livestock to control bot fly larvae in the manure. ...
It is also used as a household pesticide, typically encountered in the form of pet collars and "no-pest strips" of pesticide-impregnated plastic.
The United States Environmental Protection Agency first considered a ban on DDVP in 1981. Since then it has been close to being banned on several occasions, but continues to be available; concerns are primarily over acute and chronic toxicity, as there is no conclusive evidence of carcinogenicity to date.
My father really liked Pears Soap and would pick up a few bars when he could find it. Whenever I see it, it reminds me of him.
“My point was that what is going on in China is not new.”
Nor is blue sky. Unlike in the distant past of the US food/drug/agricultural history (as well as that of the combined history of the entire world, THE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT IS TOXIC OR OTHERWISE HARMFUL WHEN CONSUMED BY HUMANS IS FREELY AVAILABLE.
China chooses to ignore it.....for profit! Thus, your statement in post #2....”Nothing new here. It’s the same stuff as went on in industrialized nations years ago.”....is at best apologist for china, and unnecessarily benevolent on your part as it applies to the current matters that are beginning to come to public notice.
China is criminally unfit to market foodstuffs, period.
So, for instance, Pears soap is a brand since it is essentially commodity soap, but, say, Nesti Dante isn't a brand since it is handmade soap from Florence, Italy, and not a mass-produced commodity?
It was not my intention to be an “apologist.” My intent to was to note that history is repeating itself.
Even the fancy stuff is mass produced these days, though the branding and marketing is targeted toward a very specific demographic.
A better example might be a bespoke Hong Kong suit versus an off the rack Brooks Bros.
Even the fancy stuff is mass produced these days, though the branding and marketing is targeted toward a very specific demographic.
A better example might be a bespoke Hong Kong suit versus an off the rack Brooks Bros.
My intent to was to note that history is repeating itself.
OK.
Well then, history is NOT repeating itself.....we are many years into the learning curve.....there is NO wiggle-room for china along those lines. None. Zero.
What was a “revelation” years ago and so well-known today is not a “repeat” of history....it is criminal to ignore it, and cynical to lie and obfuscate it like they are attempting.
Ya think?
(sorry, that was unnecessarily sarcastic)
Ping.
Actually, he only bought that company many, many years later after making his fortune with Occidental Petroleum, primarily in Libya (If I remember correctly).
Every time he met someone and told them his name was Armand Hammer, they said, "Oh, from the baking soda..." and he would always have to say no. So when the "Arm & Hammer" brand came up for sale, he bought it for laughs.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info!
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