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Canada 'to reclaim Arctic waters' ( Hope for Global Warming to remove ICE)
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 10 July 2007, 10:57 GMT 11:57 UK | Ian Gunn BBC News, Vancouver

Posted on 07/10/2007 9:32:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Canada 'to reclaim Arctic waters'

By Ian Gunn


BBC News, Vancouver


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper

Stephen Harper says it is time to re-assert a claim to the north

Canada has announced plans for six naval patrol vessels and a deep-water port in the north to assert its claim to territorial waters in the Arctic.

Other countries, including the US, say the waters are international territory.

The $3bn (£1.5bn) announcement at Canada's Pacific naval base comes in part to fulfil an election promise.

Ottawa also sees economic potential in protecting its claim to the Arctic, as the area is thought to be rich in natural resources.

'Lucrative'

Since the end of the Cold War, Canada's modest military and coast guard have only rarely patrolled its northern coast line. Now Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the time has come to re-assert Canada's claim to the north.

Arctic landscape in Nunavut, Canada
Oil, gas and diamonds are thought to lie beneath the Arctic waters

At a dockside ceremony complete with brass bands, fluttering flags and sharp white uniforms, the prime minister promised to build at least six new patrol ships with ice-breaking hulls to extend his country's presence into the Arctic Ocean.

That presence, Ottawa hopes, will remind other countries - including the US - of Canada's claim to the waters off its northern coast.

The claim could also have serious economic implications. Natural resources including oil, gas and diamonds are thought to lurk - perhaps in abundance - under the Arctic ice.

And then there is the North-West Passage - the northern shipping route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans that European explorers sought for centuries.

With a warming climate, the route may just become viable and lucrative.

A deciding factor in the territorial disputes may be whether Canadians ever actually venture into the areas in question. And so the time has come, Ottawa says, to make sure that they do.




TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: artic; canada; globalwarming

1 posted on 07/10/2007 9:32:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Basic References:

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

Other References:


2 posted on 07/10/2007 9:40:39 AM PDT by sourcery (fRed Dawn: Wednesday, 5 November 2008!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oil, gas and diamonds are thought to lie beneath the Arctic waters

So I guess all we have to do is pump out the artic ocean and we can drill for oil and mine for diamonds.(Kidding)

3 posted on 07/10/2007 9:40:51 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is good. Our neighbors to the north are going to assert themselves again instead of being a doormat.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 9:44:42 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Natural resources including oil, gas and diamonds are thought to lurk - perhaps in abundance - under the Arctic ice.

I wonder how long until the polar bears convert to Islam and declare Jihad on us?

5 posted on 07/10/2007 9:50:11 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Seems to me, that since America is responsible for the warming that caused the melting that opened the passage, it belongs to US!
6 posted on 07/10/2007 9:50:38 AM PDT by Tim Slagle (Tim Slagle's Europa: Right Wing Comedy on iTunes and Amazon.com visit http://www.timslagle.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Putin did the exact same thing but with a chunk of land in the Arctic. When Russia goes after resources it was labelled “fascism” or “imprerialism”, but when a Western nation does the same thing it’s OK. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Russophile nor do I have an ounce of trust for Putin, but I don’t see why there’s anything wrong with grabbing a chunk of uninhabited land and using the resources. It’s actually a smart move, and the US should be doing the same. Russia’s done it, Canada’s done it, we better get up there before it’s all taken.


7 posted on 07/10/2007 10:01:04 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is long overdue.

Critics are in a quandary. Before the last election, Liberals mocked Harper for promising icebreakers — saying there was no reason for them.

Now, they’re criticizing the change to lighter ships, that will only work in summer ice. (They would have criticized heavier ice breakers as being wasteful.)

Their quandary is: if there is global warming, then all we need is the light ice breakers. All of Harper’s critics have been harping on the threat of global warming so much; that they can’t pretend they don’t believe that light ice breakers will be sufficient for year-around use.

8 posted on 07/10/2007 10:03:34 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Thanks for that info...I love it when the lefties rhetoric leads them into quandaries of their own making!
9 posted on 07/10/2007 10:13:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ouderkirk

We already are against the Danes with Ellesmere Island...

The Inuit may have something to say about the resources though, they own a huge chunk of land up there


10 posted on 07/10/2007 10:16:15 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: G8 Diplomat

I say just annex Canada and end the discussion.
We can make it a commonwealth loke Puerto Rico and allow all it to be used as a tourist attraction.. Say hello to America’s future under the democrats, no military, no timely health-care, but plenty of drugs, immigrants, and rainbow multiculturalism.


11 posted on 07/10/2007 10:24:55 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: Waverunner
...but plenty of drugs, immigrants, and rainbow multiculturalism.

And barf bags
12 posted on 07/10/2007 10:32:51 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: Tim Slagle

God love you! When you’re right, you’re right! And there they go spending billions (who knew they even HAD billions?) on asserting themselves in the arctic when the rest of us are fighting terror. It’s like the man said: canada will give you any aid short of help.


13 posted on 07/10/2007 10:37:45 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Global Warming really might reduce the ice in the north. After all, it did it in Leif Erikssons day.

It’s not Anthropogenic Global Warming though, that’s the important point.


14 posted on 07/10/2007 10:39:21 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: twonie

asserting themselves in the arctic when the rest of us are fighting terror

They're fighting terror too...Canada has troops over in Afghanistan.

15 posted on 07/10/2007 10:45:05 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Those sneaky bastards! Bomb Canada!


16 posted on 07/10/2007 10:57:00 AM PDT by baclava
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To: G8 Diplomat

We’ll be up there with Coast Guard Icebreakers when these poor schmucks freeze themselves in some November, then the Canadian press will lambaste us for causing the warming that got them stuck in the first place. We’ll shrug our shoulders and go on, another good deed by Americans aka the evil ones goes unappreciated.


17 posted on 07/10/2007 11:00:29 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: baclava

ROFL!


18 posted on 07/10/2007 11:41:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: twonie
God love you! When you’re right, you’re right! And there they go spending billions (who knew they even HAD billions?) on asserting themselves in the arctic when the rest of us are fighting terror. It’s like the man said: canada will give you any aid short of help.

And the Canadian military fighting and dying in Afghanistan are what?

You pompous ass!

19 posted on 07/10/2007 12:08:44 PM PDT by free_life
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To: free_life

No one disputes that the Canadians are fighting and dying in Afghanistan; however, the use of money for this arctic stuff right now makes no sense. Better to spend it on better vehicles, gear, etc., for the troops.


20 posted on 07/10/2007 12:55:31 PM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: GMMAC; Clive

FYI..ping the list please..sounds like this is long overdue..The PM is doing a superb job...and if anyone can add any background info on this issue, or some liknks..please do so..


21 posted on 07/10/2007 12:58:53 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: G8 Diplomat
US should be doing the same. Russia?s done it, Canada?s done it, we better get up there before it?s all taken.

Naaaa, we can always take it away from the Kanukes ( Schoolyard Bully taking away nerds lunch style ) /sar
22 posted on 07/10/2007 1:04:00 PM PDT by RedMonqey ( The truth is never PC)
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To: twonie
No one disputes that the Canadians are fighting and dying in Afghanistan; however, the use of money for this arctic stuff right now makes no sense. Better to spend it on better vehicles, gear, etc., for the troops.

That is like saying that you shouldn't put in a lawn around your house, but you should spend the money on a new roof. But what if you can afford a new roof, AND a new lawn? I'm sure Canada has enough economic resources to build a few ice breakers and staff them with some sailors without it breaking them. And anyway, the Canadians are probably quite qualified to decide how to spend their own money.

23 posted on 07/10/2007 1:07:51 PM PDT by webheart
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To: Catholic Canadian
"Natural resources including oil, gas and diamonds are thought to lurk - perhaps in abundance - under the Arctic ice. I wonder how long until the polar bears convert to Islam and declare Jihad on us?"

Never mind all that. The environazis will never let anyone touch all this pristine and unique ecological habitat that harbors so many species vital to the survival of the planet to be polluted by the evil, vicious, cunning, baby eating BIG OIL COMPANIES and CORPORATIONS that intend to ravage the planet and starve the elderly.

24 posted on 07/10/2007 1:33:34 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: twonie; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...
"It’s like the man said: canada will give you any aid short of help."

Unless you were merely sloppy & forgot the 'sarc' tag, the above may well be the stupidest comment you've ever made on FR.

I'd defy you to document even a single occasion upon which either Canada or the U.S. ever failed to come to the other's aid in time of domestic catastrophe or other dire emergency.
Until you can, how 'bout STFU !!!


25 posted on 07/10/2007 1:59:20 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: twonie; GMMAC
Better to spend it on better vehicles, gear, etc., for the troops.

Our new Conservative government is spending on things like that too, as you well know.

Now that the Liberanos have stopped stealing all the tax money, we have enough for both.

26 posted on 07/10/2007 2:28:11 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: twonie
No one disputes that the Canadians are fighting and dying in Afghanistan; however, the use of money for this arctic stuff right now makes no sense. Better to spend it on better vehicles, gear, etc., for the troops.

You did! Your own words disputed Canada's involvement in fighting terror.I quote you below. The rest of us are fighting terror and Canada doesn't give help to others. Your words

when the rest of us are fighting terror. It’s like the man said: canada will give you any aid short of help.

The rest of us says Canada is not...a bold face lie in the face of Canadian men and woman dying to fight terrorism. NEXT > Canada is and has been spending to upgrade it military with new equipment ....AND we can invest in the defense and protection of OUR Arctic north at the same time....AND we don't need your permission or blessing.....

27 posted on 07/10/2007 3:39:48 PM PDT by free_life
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Canada is trying to claim sovereignty over the Northwest Passage which is recognized as international waters. The US Navy responded to this latest bit of idiocy by pledging to increase the number of ships patrolling the area to keep access open.

Give it your best shot Canada but somehow I think your half dozen patrol boats are no match for the US Navy.

28 posted on 07/10/2007 10:59:36 PM PDT by jess35
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To: twonie

29 posted on 07/10/2007 11:31:57 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: twonie

You did claim Canada wasn’t fighting in the war on terror which is a flat out falsehood.

The Arctic Archapelago is Canadian territory. The waters around those islands in the high arctic are Canadian waters. Every nation has the right, and fundamental obligation in my opinion, to protect its territory. Just because you think Canada should drop enforcing sovereignty in the north like the U.S. has done in the south, does not mean Canada should or would. Most countries put their priorities in protect their borders and territory above engaging in overseas expeditions.


30 posted on 07/11/2007 7:46:13 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
The waters around those islands in the high arctic are Canadian waters.

Canada is the only nation that asserts the NW Passage is in Canadian waters. The rest of the world views it as an international strait. As the ice continues to melt and more ships can make the passage saving thousands of miles, more countries will press the free and open seas issue. Canada will lose.

31 posted on 07/11/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by jess35
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To: Catholic Canadian

“I wonder how long until the polar bears convert to Islam and declare Jihad on us?”

Then, its time to arm the seals and walruses and let them fight it out with the polar bears!!!!


32 posted on 07/11/2007 3:23:30 PM PDT by Levante
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To: jess35
Canada is the only nation that asserts the NW Passage is in Canadian waters. The rest of the world views it as an international strait. As the ice continues to melt and more ships can make the passage saving thousands of miles, more countries will press the free and open seas issue. Canada will lose.

A lot of that water is within the 12 mile limit and certainly withoin the 200 mile limit. So it is fair to call them Canadian waters. To say otherwise would mean that the Chesapeake Bay, San Francisco Bay or even the channels between the Hawaiian Islands are not American waters and anyone can do as they please there. Could Cuba put an oil platform 1/2 mile off the coast of Miami or in the middle of Tampa Bay?

However, the right of free passage does apply to the NWP. If it does open up and allow shipping, who will police those waters? It's Canadian so Canada has an obligation, IMHO, to provide basic coast guard and search and rescue capabilities in the area. By asserting sovereignty, it prevents other nations from claiming territory and resources in the area.

33 posted on 07/12/2007 6:17:51 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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