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[John]McCain Derails
CBS News ^ | July 10, 2007 | Kevin Drum

Posted on 07/10/2007 2:19:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I guess the Straight Talk Express is finally melting down. After returning from a trip to Iraq — something hardly likely to have lifted his spirits — John McCain apparently blew up at campaign manager Terry Nelson and chief strategist John Weaver over their out-of-control spending. In the end, he fired Nelson and Weaver then resigned: Weaver's resignation was the most surprising. He has been McCain's chief strategist and confidant for many years, playing a role as central to the Arizonan's political operations as White House senior adviser Karl Rove has played in President Bush's.

The only other person in McCain's inner circle as close to the candidate is Mark Salter, McCain's longtime top Senate aide as well as the co-author of his best-selling books and all his major speeches. Whew. So at least he still has Salter, right? Marc Ambinder reports: One Republican directly connected to today's events said that Mark Salter, McCain's long-time chief of staff and co-author of his five books, had also left the campaign payroll. But Salter will remain as an adviser.


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I was just listening to Chrissy Matthews on Hardball talking about McCain. He thinks McCain backing the Iraq war is why he's losing in the polls! Almost no talk about the illegal immigrant amnesty debacle! Chrissy insulted Tom Tancredo & Duncan Hunter while slathering praise on McCain. Andrea Mitchell took pains to downplay Fred Thompson. The left sure wants us to pick Rudy McRomney!!
1 posted on 07/10/2007 2:19:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 07/10/2007 2:23:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Okay, so all his key people are gone and his campaign is in the toilet -- he'll always have Lindsey.



3 posted on 07/10/2007 2:24:13 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The truth is that McCain would be a better President than Mitt or Rudy. The problem is that a lot of people (including myself) hate his guts and the bones they hang on.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 2:25:24 PM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Arrrr I'll have the scurvy mutineers keelhauled I will.

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5 posted on 07/10/2007 2:26:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ve been saying “he’s toast” for 7 weeks now...


6 posted on 07/10/2007 2:27:01 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Jaysun
"and the bones they hang on"

and the horse he rode in on

7 posted on 07/10/2007 2:27:09 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain's support was always soft because for the last six years he's done every darn thing he could think of to alienate the conservative base. His stand on the Iraq War was about the ONLY thing the base liked!

But you'll never hear that from the MSMers.

8 posted on 07/10/2007 2:28:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’m completely willing to assume that McCain was fully sane on the day before he checked into the Hanoi Hilton.Who knows what might have happened to his mind (or the minds of his fellow guests) during their stay.
9 posted on 07/10/2007 2:29:45 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Afronaut
and the horse he rode in on

and the dust they stirred while in route.
10 posted on 07/10/2007 2:30:59 PM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: Jaysun
I respect the man for what he went through in the 60's and 70's.

Then he got elected to the Senate and collaborated with JFnK on the commission and said that their were no more men left in SEA. Then he restricted free speech in America. Then he fought hard and long for amnesty for Illegal Immigrants.

Need I say more?

John your views are not America's views!

11 posted on 07/10/2007 2:31:23 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

 

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12 posted on 07/10/2007 2:34:08 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Jaysun

Sen McNut is just that, but, today, on the Senate Floor, discussing the War, he was magnificent.


13 posted on 07/10/2007 2:36:18 PM PDT by bybybill (HUNT RINOS IN THE PRIMARIES, SKIN RATS IN THE FALL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14 posted on 07/10/2007 2:36:47 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG (Apparently my former party considers me an "ugly nativist".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well yeah RUSH talked about this today too.

Its absurd to say McCain is floundering because of Iraq.

The same argument would mean that crazy ole rPaul would be the front-runner.

It isn’t the first time they floated this moronic idea... last time they somehow forgot the gang of 14 BS he pulled, or the terrorist bill of rights he pushed, or now the immigration junk he was up to, or the near weekly 'maverick' backstabbing he would routinely engage in to win favorable media and Sunday show slots over the past 4 years (not so much the past 8mths)

Their congestive dissonance knows no bounds. And I’m not trying to be smart or funny or snappy or anything when I say that. They are quite literally derranged and mentally ill, a mass psychosis if you will. Case studies and entire senior theses could be written on it.

15 posted on 07/10/2007 2:40:25 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can something be derailed when it was not on track in the first place?


16 posted on 07/10/2007 2:41:02 PM PDT by Rogle
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To: bybybill
Sen McNut is just that, but, today, on the Senate Floor, discussing the War, he was magnificent.

Yes he was. But it's not enough to save him. Support for the war is right and should be a given. We don't forgive bank robbers for observing the speed limit during their getaway.
17 posted on 07/10/2007 2:41:34 PM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: Jaysun
I agree. I have no doubt that McCain would actually be strong on national defense and some other conservative issues if he was in charge and didn't have to work with people he considers lesser beings.

Unfortunately, I can’t reach the fifty knives he has sunk into our collective backs over the last decade so I'm not in a forgiving mood...

Also, he is a loose canon who could have a Dean scream style meltdown at any point in the campaign.

18 posted on 07/10/2007 2:43:04 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Jaysun

Some how, I can`t compare the speed limit and supporting our troops.


19 posted on 07/10/2007 2:43:54 PM PDT by bybybill (HUNT RINOS IN THE PRIMARIES, SKIN RATS IN THE FALL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
John McCain apparently blew up

I'm shocked that McInsane popped a blood vessel /s

20 posted on 07/10/2007 2:47:50 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

He is more like a festering sore that finally ...


21 posted on 07/10/2007 2:50:37 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: rabscuttle385

In the coming days we will see a reaction against McCain from the MSM vultures who have long nurtured him as an apostate; They fully expected him to deal the President a death blow by defecting to the “Peace” camp upon his return from Iraq. They had set the stage for McCain’s ascension to “rock star” status as this generation’s Fulbright, and probably promised to buy his treason with enough “hero’s” coverage to buoy his sinking campaign, with a 3rd party if nothing else. Reid and Pelosi hinted a few days ago that a new “Fulbright” would emerge to denounce the policies of his own party and push the war debate to a tipping point. They believed that McCain was that man, and timed their propaganda surge to coincide with his eagerly anticipated return from the front. McCain’s condemnation would have been the centerpiece of their assault on the President’s policy. Whether campaign aides of McCain gave them reason to anticipate such a defection is purely speculative; I believe so. Perhaps the fact those same aides were urging him to buy political capital with treason, as a last ditch effort to gain political traction, was the reason for their termination. By sticking with the President, McCain has shown political courage, and if he continues to do so this nation will owe him a deep debt of gratitude, despite his folly on so many other issues. If only his arrogance and ambition hadn’t led him to seek friends in a pit of vipers, and counsel among fools, he would be hailed as a hero among conservatives instead of an insolent ally.


22 posted on 07/10/2007 2:53:44 PM PDT by brigadoon
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To: Jaysun
The truth is that McCain would be a better President

Bravo Sierra! He is a nutcase who should never be President of a country with nukes.

23 posted on 07/10/2007 2:54:51 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: rabscuttle385

The immigration torpedo was a direct hit.


24 posted on 07/10/2007 2:54:52 PM PDT by mutley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heh, when Chrissy Matthews *thinks* ANYTHING, it’s usually wrong.

He does seem to have a thing for Juan McCain, always has. Most of his collegaues in the MSM would “settle” for Rudy, but they don’t always get to pick, do they?


25 posted on 07/10/2007 2:55:24 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: mutley

Well...that...and he’s out of his mind.


26 posted on 07/10/2007 2:55:40 PM PDT by mutley
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain has trouble controlling his temper. Same as hillereee. That’s why she wont’ win either.


27 posted on 07/10/2007 2:55:58 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: bybybill
Some how, I can`t compare the speed limit and supporting our troops

I wasn't comparing the two. I was simply giving an example to illustrate my point because I couldn't think of a better way to say it. We'll expect whatever candidate we choose to support our troops.
28 posted on 07/10/2007 2:57:16 PM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: Jaysun

“The truth is that McCain would be a better President than Mitt or Rudy.”

Nonsense. Mitt has a solid history in private life as a manager, venture capitalist, and executive leader. McCain lacks the temperment, skills and background for executive leadership, and this story proves it ...

” The problem is that a lot of people (including myself) hate his guts and the bones they hang on.”

Well, there’s that too! I cannot abide an adamant pro-choicers (Rudy) and I cannot abide a pro-amnesty media-hound who gave us attacks on freedom of speech disguised as ‘campaign finance reform’ (McCain).


29 posted on 07/10/2007 2:58:55 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the end, he fired Nelson and Weaver then resigned: Weaver's resignation was the most surprising.

This is just like the typical "player/manager syndrome".

If the player isn't producing, fire the manager. Never mind that the player is just incapable or unwilling to play along with the team.

McCain betrayed his team, the republican party and his constituents on many occasions, and now he's now paying a heavy price. But, he's unwilling to accept responsibility for his past mistakes and so somebody other than himself is to blame. Hence, his managers are paying the price.

Others in the republican party who are betraying their base had better take notice. We don't forget! Play with the team, not the opposing players.
30 posted on 07/10/2007 3:00:12 PM PDT by adorno
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To: brigadoon

Good point.

The Media loved him when he was pushing RINO ideas.

McCain’s immigration-induced downfall will be laid at Iraq’s feet. Anything for the MSM to advance the agenda.


31 posted on 07/10/2007 3:01:05 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Once again John McCain displays for all the world to see why he is totally unsuited to hold high office. Don't misunderstand me, I honor the man and his service to the country. It's just that he is temperamentally unsuited to sit in the big chair.

Regards,
GtG

I wish Arizona would retire him so he could spend time with his grandkids.

32 posted on 07/10/2007 3:05:14 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Mad_as_heck
I have no doubt that McCain would actually be strong on national defense and some other conservative issues if he was in charge...

I'm sorry, but I differ over that assessment. I think he would be a cataclysmic disaster to our strategic and industrial preparedness. He is an outsourcer deluxe. He wants to end US aerospace supremacy...our domestic manufacturing base and R&D, which he calls "pork barrel" and... buy from the French.

33 posted on 07/10/2007 3:49:34 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
I agree that McCain’s corrupt desire to send our defense industry overseas would be an even bigger disaster if he was in the white house. And the idea the McCain is the least bit concerned about pork....
34 posted on 07/10/2007 4:14:22 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: mutley

Hopefully, the Amnesty Torpedo will strike a lot of the DC morons from both sides of the aisle. Their arrogance made them misjudge the American people’s anger on that issue.


35 posted on 07/10/2007 4:34:53 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: WOSG

****“The truth is that McCain would be a better President than Mitt or Rudy.”

Nonsense. Mitt has a solid history in private life as a manager, venture capitalist, and executive leader. McCain lacks the temperment, skills and background for executive leadership, and this story proves it ...

” The problem is that a lot of people (including myself) hate his guts and the bones they hang on.”

Well, there’s that too! I cannot abide an adamant pro-choicers (Rudy) and I cannot abide a pro-amnesty media-hound who gave us attacks on freedom of speech disguised as ‘campaign finance reform’ (McCain)****

Most of that is true. But why stop there?

A lot of us have a real problem with a certain candidate’s credibility. A certain candidate who declared he was Pro-choice while being elected governor of the most liberal state in the union. A certain candidate who now that he needs the GOP base to attempt to get that party’s presidential nomination, well, look and behold, now claims that he was pro-life all along. (Mitt)


36 posted on 07/10/2007 4:48:43 PM PDT by Mtner77
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To: FreedomNeocon
The sad thing about McCain is that his buddies in the enemedia no longer have any use for him. And he hasn't figured it out yet.

I too respect him for his heroics in Vietnam. But I sure wish he would just pack it in now so he can preserve what little dignity remains.

37 posted on 07/10/2007 4:52:39 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: FreedomNeocon
It isn’t the first time they floated this moronic idea...

Indeed it isn't. It started if I recall correctly right after Blair acknowledged he had lost a lot of support over Iraq and it was immediately glommed on as a reason for McCain too by either McCains lackeys or the MSM looking for a way to let him down gracefully once Hillary entered the fray.
38 posted on 07/10/2007 7:26:21 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Man the lifeboats. Oh, the humanity.


39 posted on 07/10/2007 7:27:09 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I’m completely willing to assume that McCain was fully sane on the day before he checked into the Hanoi Hilton...

For that alone the man deserves our undying repect. Not necessarily our vote.

40 posted on 07/11/2007 10:13:47 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: expatpat
He is a nutcase who should never be President of a country with nukes.

in charge of anything.

41 posted on 07/11/2007 10:18:58 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Minor nit: since Kevin Drum is in the habit of deleting non-abusive comments at his main site (washingtonmonthly.com), you might not want to link to him appearing at CBS in the future, especially since all he does is just link to two other reports:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/10/AR2007071000759.html?hpid=topnews
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/07/more_on_mccain_campaign_decima.php


42 posted on 07/11/2007 10:35:44 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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