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Deniers of global warming harm us (Global warming deniers bigger danger than holocaust deniers!!!)
Seattle-PI ^ | 7/10/2006 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 07/11/2007 6:07:51 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican

AS THE WORLD'S scientists near consensus on human causes of climate change, even Exxon is cutting contributions and distancing itself from the global warming denial industry.

The deniers haven't conceded defeat, and lately have found a substitute for the "sound science" they once demanded. Their new tactic is the drive-by shooting.

The objective is distraction, to be achieved by demeaning the oracles, particularly the "Goreacle," of global warming.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; algoreisnotmypope; globalwarming; globalwarmingscare; ivorytower; junkscience; neomccarthyism; orwelliannightmare; thoughtcrime; zogbyism
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Man, this load from the Seattle-PI has it all. I'm shocked he left out space aliens and the tooth fairy as responsible for global warming denial as well.

All responsible for global warming threat includes:

Republicans Creationists Chinese water grabbers Timber industry "Right-wing" Canadian Press "Right-wing" Drudge Report Gore Bashers Tennesse Think Tanks Drive-by shooting style global warming deniers in the media

1 posted on 07/11/2007 6:07:53 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I don’t think I can live up to all that.


2 posted on 07/11/2007 6:09:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The liberals are hysterical and won't debate the subject. In their minds, there is no debate.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 07/11/2007 6:09:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
AS THE WORLD'S scientists near consensus on human causes of climate change

But....but....haven't we been told for the past year that there IS a consensus? Did this reporter not get the memo???

4 posted on 07/11/2007 6:10:33 AM PDT by NRA1995 (To Congress and Mr. President: This is OUR country, and don't you forget it!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

And to think that I use to deliver the PI when I was a kid.


5 posted on 07/11/2007 6:11:35 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"AS THE WORLD'S scientists near consensus on human causes of climate change..."

Wait a second, I was told there already WAS consensus. And they've been saying that man is the chief cause, not just "a" cause with things like cow farts and other "natural causes" being a sum total larger part of the cause.

They still need to explain what is causing the global warming on Mars (an Inconvenient Sun).

6 posted on 07/11/2007 6:13:29 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The Left says we're doomed in ten years. On the other hand, they say we can wait fifty years to lick the problem. Which is it? Their contradictory stands on "global warming" make no sense whatsoever. So yes, I deny the problem since its clear warming and cooling of the planet are forces in which man, if anything, plays a marginal role.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 07/11/2007 6:14:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
...no one expects the Global Warming Inquisition.. (apologies to Monty Python)

What better proof of global warming becoming a quasi religious cult when there can be no questioning of the global warming dogma even if scientific evidence says it might be wrong.

8 posted on 07/11/2007 6:15:57 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
They have rejected God and created their substitute religion of Earth worship, where Global Warming is the "original sin".

As a new and radical religion, it's only natural that they brand disbelievers and skeptics as "infidels" or "heretics". They may use different terms, but that's what, in essence, they are doing. Believe in the cult of Gaia or be declared damned.

9 posted on 07/11/2007 6:16:44 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican; honolulugal; SierraWasp; AuntB; Carry_Okie; GladesGuru
Earth maybe getting warmer, but it sure as hell isn't about man! By the way, how's all the forest fires contributing that we have out here in the west? The cause - greenies. If the forests were properly managed by those with knowledge, we wouldn't be seeing the fires we are seeing now!
10 posted on 07/11/2007 6:16:54 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Man, this load from the Seattle-PI has it all.

It's a pantload alright. Political correctness has always been about criminalizing any debate. You tow the liberal line or else be convicted of "thoughtcrime".

Watch how they litigate the conservatives (600 investigations since the Democrats took office in January).

"Their new tactic is the drive-by shooting."

Well isn't that special? He could at least acknowledge stealing Rush Limbaugh's "drive-by media" phrase and turning it on its head.

11 posted on 07/11/2007 6:17:50 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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“Exxon is cutting contributions and distancing itself from the global warming denial industry.”

“global warming denial industry”. Riiight. Why do liberals insist in living in bizzarro, backwards world. The only “global warming industry” is the one Al Gore created to enrich himself.


12 posted on 07/11/2007 6:17:54 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The deniers haven't conceded defeat, and lately have found a substitute for the "sound science" they once demanded.

Notice how he put quotation marks around "sound science" to indicate ridicule and contempt for the idea. What an ass.
13 posted on 07/11/2007 6:20:01 AM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: The Great RJ

Beat me by less than a minute!


14 posted on 07/11/2007 6:20:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
To be a denier of Global Warming or Climate Change is bad for Carbon Offset Trading, which is bad for companies like The CarbonNeutral Company and The Chicago Climate Exchange which in turn is bad for investment firms like Generation Investment Management (GIM) which does not bode well for it’s CEO, the Honorable Al Gore.
15 posted on 07/11/2007 6:21:39 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: NurdlyPeon
And to think that I use to deliver the PI when I was a kid. Don't feel bad -- to my undying shame, I delivered the Washington Post when I ws a kid.
16 posted on 07/11/2007 6:23:32 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

We don't know how bad it will get.

Nobody is certain what will happen.

And what if nothing happens?

So far, however, change has proceeded at a faster pace than even pessimistic scientists predicted a few years ago.

The weather changes...in cycles. So what's the point?

The "climate crud" would be an annoyance were it not distracting -- and dangerous.

The only danger is that faced from the stupid liberals running around, masquerading as scientists, crying that the sky is falling and that the only solution is to convert to Marxism.

17 posted on 07/11/2007 6:23:36 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Report to the Hague immediately for an orderly conviction and execution.


18 posted on 07/11/2007 6:24:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The public isn't buying the hype on man-made global warming, so they are in frantic damage control mode.

The fact that the carbon credits scheme is little more than a power grab and get rich scheme by unscrupulous con men such as Al Gore is becoming obvious to more and more people.

They've destroyed their credibility with those who demand rational explanations, so they have increased their attacking those that oppose them based on appealing to emotions instead.

That's how con men work, and that's what liberals really are.

19 posted on 07/11/2007 6:24:49 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: goldstategop
There never is debate. Political correctness dictates the positions YOU should have on the “issues”.

And ALL of their crap is being taught in schools as pure fact with no controversy.

Homosexuality is normal and equal to heterosexual couplings. Engage in sexual experimentation, life is a pornucopia of fetishes, get started now. (look into the Sex Positive agenda sometime)

Life does not begin until birth and so abortion is a moral choice to save a child from a life without “quality” (whether that be poverty, birth defects, or having the bad luck of being the wrong sex). Schools will even take your daughter to the clinic and keep it quiet.

Al Gore’s film is being shown in schools as “required” viewing without rebuttal.

20 posted on 07/11/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

21 posted on 07/11/2007 6:25:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Or look to the Arctic. The melting of permafrost is faster than predicted, raising the potential release of vast amounts of methane, which would further accelerate climate change.

Maybe by renaming this to tempofrost, the author's doomsday fears might lessen.

22 posted on 07/11/2007 6:26:56 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Turret Gunner A20; NurdlyPeon

Don’t be ashamed. Some puppies require a lot of paper to be trained.

And there have to be a lot of fish to wrap in Portland...


23 posted on 07/11/2007 6:27:43 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1859149/posts


24 posted on 07/11/2007 6:29:48 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
A rightist Canadian paper, the National Post, ran a recent story claiming that solar output drives climate change, and that sunspots point to global cooling.

How DARE they suggest that the huge ball of fire in the sky that is 1 MILLION times as large as the earth cause climate change! The nerve!

25 posted on 07/11/2007 6:30:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Want to see an global-warming-whacko's brain short-circuit? Show 'em this.

Don't trust main stream media. Their scare tactics have flip-flopped four times over the last eighty-some years.

 

 

The following graphs show that Earth is in a brief period of global warming called an interglacial. The longer time spans, the deep troughs are glacial periods. The line that runs across the graphs is the temperature in 1950 and listed as "0" on the left axis.

As can be seen in Figure 1-5, Earth appears ready to move toward another ice age in the cycle.

I'm more concerned with sustaining global warming to offset global cooling and the next ice age. 

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

This first graph looks bad, doesn't it -- steeper upward temperature trend. Horizontal red line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-1 Global warming

The second graph shows today's temperature isn't out of the norm. Horizontal blue line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-2 Climate of the last 2400 years

The next graph shows a downtrend in temperatures from 8,000 years ago to today. The down trend is steeper in the recent 2,000 years. From left to right the upper spikes have lower highs while the lower spikes have lower lows. (The same effect can be seen in Figure 1-2, above.) 

Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years

This graph shows that agriculture and  stationary societies emerged 8,000 years ago during a time frame when global temperature was much higher than normal, or average.

Figure 1-4 Climate of the last 100,000 years

The next graph shows that the recent 8,000 years was one of five brief hot spikes when glaciers were at minimums. With much longer troughs when glacials (ice ages) were the norm most of the time.

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice

The graph below is reversed. That is, the left side is present day and the right side is 3 million years ago. It shows a 3 million year down trend toward widening extremes in the temperature cycle.

Figure 1-6 Climate for the last 3 million years

The final graph shows CO2 lagging temperature change -- not leading it.

Figure 1-7 CO2 and temperature for the last 450 kyr

When man can cause meaningful global warming yesterday would be a good time to begin thwarting the next ice age.

Great documentary: The Great Global Warming Swindle at Google.
  The Great Global Warming Swindle at You Tube.

If the above links don't work use the respective search function at each Website. Type: The Great Global Warming Swindle.

26 posted on 07/11/2007 6:31:26 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Issaquahking

The fires allow them to complain about “extremes”.

There have been fires in the west for decades. You can even see them in that 35 year old documentary about the Loud family (one of the “first” reality shows).


27 posted on 07/11/2007 6:32:08 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
More "Gore-Bull" warming.

Click on any of the images below to see the video.


Click here to see the video

Al Bore invented the Internet.

Putfile Version (Higher quality)


Here's Another video showing what an imbecile Al Bore is.

The moonbats have been voting down the first video "Inconvenient Hypocrisy", be sure to vote it back up to the top of the heap of videos about Al Bore.

Good anti-Global Warming video that picks apart Gore's stupid film.

28 posted on 07/11/2007 6:35:06 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: L98Fiero
Exxon is cutting contributions and distancing itself from the global warming denial industry.

Perhaps the author can explain why the OWNERS of Exxon have been the principle force behind this scam for decades.

29 posted on 07/11/2007 6:36:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Oh darn. Now I feel bad..real bad.

Were having global cooling here in Mpls today..a high in the mid 70’s, last week we had global warming highs in the upper 90’s. I just wish our mother the earth would make up her mind on what the climate is going to do.


30 posted on 07/11/2007 6:37:04 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Political Correctness was designed to silence all opposition to the liberal agenda. That agenda is creating a U.S.S.A. run by a liberal dictatorship (eliminating the electoral process and replacing it with mob rule).

Global Warnings goal is not to save the earth. The Earth is doing just fine. The goal is a fascist take over of major industries like oil and electricity etc. by using fear of mass annihilation as a propaganda tool.

In order for Socialism to work (although eventually the money will still run out and segments of the population will have to die for the sake of the "common good", like the unborn, elderly, or disabled to begin with.) absolute control of all the nations finances is a must (It's the only way to "equally share the wealth"). For example, Hillary even admitted she would like to take control of our health care and take the oil profits to use them for socialist programs.

It's all about power and absolute control - nothing more.

31 posted on 07/11/2007 6:41:57 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: weegee

There have been fires in the west for decades.

There you are wrong. As everyone knows before the Bush coup in 2000 there were no fires in the west, all was sweetness and light.
I think the fires are part of a giant insidious plot be Jorge Bush and his elite minions in the multi-national corps. to distract us from securing the borders. That way they can sneek throught the (cue the ominious music) North American Union.


32 posted on 07/11/2007 6:44:02 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin

Since I have been living up here in Seattle for 15 years, I can’t remember a summer where we didn’t have the usual one week around July-August where temps were in the 90s.

But now every year during this week, we get blasted with non stop propaganda about how its hot like this because of global warming.

I remember the dier reports coming this spring about how Europe was going to melt this summer with record highs.
So far, Europe hasn’t had anything remotely that bad and all the euro global warming alarmists are depressed.


33 posted on 07/11/2007 6:47:39 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: weegee
They still need to explain what is causing the global warming on Mars (an Inconvenient Sun).

I haven't heard Al Gore complain about those martians and their quantum ingesting hog mobiles yet. Not even once! Why be so selective? Why isn't he blaming them the same way he blames us? Does he see the martians as future democrat voters? Are they another "protected" liberal voting block? Untouchable?
What about the polluting martians, Al? What are you doing about them?

The Martians are destroying the universe, too, and Al Gore isn't doing a dam(n) thing to try and stop them. We're all gonna die! Al Gore is a FRAUD.

34 posted on 07/11/2007 6:54:07 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Valin

Wait a minute. If the Earth is getting warmer then doesn’t that mean we’ll use LESS energy to heat our homes? Sounds like the Earth is self correcting. Except of course for that Sun thingy.


35 posted on 07/11/2007 6:54:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Their new tactic is the drive-by shooting.

How long has Rush been using "Drive By Media"? If you can't beat 'em, steal from 'em.

36 posted on 07/11/2007 6:55:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I’ve lived in MA my whole life and I remember when the snowbanks were over my head. They aren’t that high anymore. Then again, I’m not two feet tall anymore either.


37 posted on 07/11/2007 6:57:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: weegee
"AS THE WORLD'S scientists near consensus on human causes of climate change..." Wait a second, I was told there already WAS consensus.

What they mean is "as opposition shuts up under threat of research grant cancellation..."

38 posted on 07/11/2007 6:58:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: Issaquahking
Earth maybe getting warmer, but it sure as hell isn't about man! By the way, how's all the forest fires contributing that we have out here in the west?

They're like gigantic wood stoves. Where does all that "environmental heat" go? Half the country is burning right now.

Too bad the loggers weren't "allowed" to be good stewards of the forests. Things would be much better right now for those families who've lost everything.

39 posted on 07/11/2007 7:00:13 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: untrained skeptic
The fact that the carbon credits scheme is little more than a power grab and get rich scheme by unscrupulous con men such as Al Gore is becoming obvious to more and more people.

Just use all the carbon credits you want for free. It doesn't matter. There's no controlling legal authority.

40 posted on 07/11/2007 7:07:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

We should use their approach when it comes to non-believers of God.


41 posted on 07/11/2007 7:08:49 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Now....ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!)
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To: massgopguy

Two points
1 IF the earth is warming? Sounds to me like you’re one of those who’ve been bought out by (cue the ominious music) Big oil, Big tobacco, Big leggo, and all the other evil giant multi-national corp. that want to enslave us.
To find out what’s really going on I recommend you go to
www.crazy as a loon. org.
2 With global warming happening the entire world will look like the Gobi dessert all the cute furry animal will die a horrible lingering death, there will be no more baby seals for us to admire and love.
To stop this there’s only one thing to do...start running around in circles waving our arms and shouting loudly GLOBAL WARMING GLOBAL WARMING.


42 posted on 07/11/2007 7:11:10 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I have decided not to get excited about these idiots. When we have record cold in Scranton, PA in June, snow in July in Argentina, record cold in South Africa and Australia, I think they will get it when the iceberg finally hits their ship.


43 posted on 07/11/2007 7:25:24 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: weegee

See my profile, point #2.


44 posted on 07/11/2007 8:05:39 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
AS THE WORLD'S scientists near consensus on human causes of climate change

I thought they ALREADY had consensus. Now we are denying something that is not concluded?

I like how they have backed off their certainty a bit while at the same time smacking those who are not conceding.

45 posted on 07/11/2007 8:16:14 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: kevkrom; Proud_USA_Republican; honolulugal; SierraWasp; AuntB; Carry_Okie; GladesGuru; ...
As a new and radical religion, it's only natural that they brand disbelievers and skeptics as "infidels" or "heretics". They may use different terms, but that's what, in essence, they are doing.

You're almost there. Enlightenment Awaits.

Here's a clue:
Anthropogenic. Caused by Humans.
Earth's population, 6.5 Billion Humans, plus Mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, birds, insects.. Wild and domesticated.

Solution:
Eliminate about 4 Billion humans.
I figure we're all on the list.
Well, except those in the service industries.
Someones got to serve veggie burgers to the elite surviving inheritors of the Earth.

46 posted on 07/11/2007 8:32:14 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: finnsheep
When we have record cold in Scranton, PA in June, snow in July in Argentina, record cold in South Africa and Australia, I think they will get it when the iceberg finally hits their ship.

Why would a snow in July be a thing of special note in Argentina?

47 posted on 07/11/2007 8:43:03 AM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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To: Drammach
Eliminate about 4 Billion humans.

The UN estimates between 4 and 5.5 depending upon the lifestyle. The Global Biodiversity Assessment, concludes:

“...an agricultural world, in which most human beings are peasants, should be able to support 5 to 7 billion people...a reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be one billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2-3 billion would be possible.”

The current global population is approximately 6 billion. The trend of growth rate is declining and may turn negative this century. Estimates of carrying capacity range from 1 to 40 billion people, depending upon whom you ask, but perhaps the statement is more revealing than it would at first seem.

That’s how many people it will support, the way they intend to run it.

They won't have enough people left to take care of the planet.

48 posted on 07/11/2007 8:44:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

“Who could have forecast a 2-degree rise in Antarctica’s temperature in just 35 years?”

The only other place I read this claim was on the Sierra Club website from a 1997 article:

“Another major contributor to ocean mass could be the antarctic ice shelves, which are deteriorating at a rapid rate; two huge chunks, each the size of Rhode Island, have fallen off in the past two years. The mean temperature in Antarctica has risen by 2 degrees since 1950, and the enormous Larsen B ice shelf is riven with cracks, leading some scientists to predict its demise within two years.”

Guys like this writer must keep files on all this stuff forever.


49 posted on 07/11/2007 8:51:29 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: rabscuttle385
And what if nothing happens?

That will be proclaimed as proof that the people who invested in carbon offsets saved the planet.

50 posted on 07/11/2007 8:54:46 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Without the fence, deporting illegals is like shoveling water.)
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