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N.J. Senator Proposes Toy Gun Ban
WABC ^ | July 11, 2007 | unknown

Posted on 07/11/2007 5:23:28 PM PDT by texanyankee

A New Jersey senator wants to make it illegal to sell or give to anyone under age 18 toy guns that look so realistic they can be mistaken for a real firearm.

"The margin between a child's stupid mistake and a tragic ending is far too thin," said Sen. Nicholas Scutari.

Scutari, D-Union, introduced the proposal in late June and plans to push it when the Legislature reconvenes late this year. He said the bill stems from an incident in a Union Township where four students were suspended after bringing a cap gun to school.

"We need to stress to our children that guns are not toys, but deadly weapons which should always be regarded with extreme caution and handled with respect," Scutari said. "Restricting access to imitation firearms will help to drive that point home."

Gun rights advocates plan to fight the bill.

"It misses the mark because it demonizes toys instead of criminal behavior," said Scott Bach, president of the New Jersey Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs, which is the National Rifle Association's New Jersey organization.

If the measure is enacted, New Jersey would join several states that have restricted access to realistic toy guns to minors.

New York, for instance, got Wal-Mart in 2003 to stop selling toy guns that fail to have a non-removable orange stripe along the barrel. The retailer also agreed to stop selling toy guns in realistic colors such as black, blue and silver and paid $200,000 in civil penalties.

Scutari's bill would make it illegal to sell or give to anyone under 18 and imitation firearm, which is defined as anything "reasonably capable of being mistaken for a firearm."

The bill is based on a 1987 New Jersey law that bars the sale of hunting, fishing, combat and survival knives with blades of more than five inches to anyone under 18.

Violators would face a fine of up to $1,000 and up to six months in prison.

Scutari said the bill would help police and school officials figure out whether a firearm is either fake or real, but Bach said it would intrude upon retailers and parents.

"This bill seeks to intimidate retailers of even toy water pistols rather than to address the bad acts of criminals who use imitation guns in furtherance of crime," Bach said. "A parent who gives a child a toy firearm as a gift would be guilty under this legislation."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; guns; newjersey; toyguns

1 posted on 07/11/2007 5:23:31 PM PDT by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee
Who decides what is ‘so realistic to be mistaken’?
2 posted on 07/11/2007 5:24:46 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: texanyankee

it is amazing to me how many willingly wear their ass on their shoulders


3 posted on 07/11/2007 5:25:12 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: texanyankee

What about toy knives?


4 posted on 07/11/2007 5:25:28 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: texanyankee

Scutari looks so realistic he can be mistaken for a real Senator. Outlaw him.


5 posted on 07/11/2007 5:25:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Man50D

What about plastic forks?


6 posted on 07/11/2007 5:26:33 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: texanyankee
A lot of people thought this looked real:

Does this mean we will ban 2" long toy guns too?
7 posted on 07/11/2007 5:28:17 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: texanyankee

Is this moron any kin to the Kennedys....


8 posted on 07/11/2007 5:29:19 PM PDT by dirtbiker (He who dies with the most toys...STILL DIES!)
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To: texanyankee

Funny enough though, the line between “politician” and “brain dead” is pretty thin too...


9 posted on 07/11/2007 5:30:20 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: Man50D

“What about toy knives?”

What would trans-continental flights be without stainless forks and spoons,...........and plastic knives?

You may now eat with your hands, or grab that big steak with a fork and gnaw on it.


10 posted on 07/11/2007 5:33:15 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: texanyankee

It’s a dim idea, but it’s possible it could serve as a means of rolling back an even dimmer one: ‘zero tolerance policies’ in schools which include even ‘simulated weapons’ and are interpretted as banning dayglo squirt-guns, toy rifles carried by three inch high toy soldiers, and other manifest non-weapons.

Make the specifications tight, and attach an amendment that no school-district may impose a zero tolerance policy including toys not falling under the bill’s definition of similarity to real weapons, and on balance the amount of stupidity in New Jersey law might go down.


11 posted on 07/11/2007 5:37:01 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: traviskicks; Gabz

“We need to stress to our children that guns are not toys, but deadly weapons which should always be regarded with extreme caution and handled with respect,” Scutari said. “Restricting access to imitation firearms will help to drive that point home.”

Ping


12 posted on 07/11/2007 5:37:04 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: texanyankee

Is anyone yet figuring out what I’m talking about when I talk about “DAMN YANKEES”? I don’t know how to be diplomatic about things, but damned if there ain’t a whole bunch of idiots running loose, and, strangely enough, most of them come from “up there”!


13 posted on 07/11/2007 5:39:20 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: texanyankee
That is a choice for parents to make.

A ten year old was shot in the street of a rough neighborhood my police a few weeks ago at 11 a night for pointing a toy gun. Too bad the parents weren't shot for neglect.

Of course I don't have to explain who is "made" to be the bad guy in this case. Some parent will not control their children, so the government wants to control all children.

14 posted on 07/11/2007 5:40:49 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: Man50D

What about career criminals?


15 posted on 07/11/2007 5:41:23 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: texanyankee

Not going to work. Never having a gun, or having one in the house, my son, 2 yrs old, picked up a toy elephant bought at the zoo and used the extended trunk as the barrel of a gun. I knew at that point I lost the battle. Now that I think of it, fingers work just as well. That’s what we used when we were kids. :)


16 posted on 07/11/2007 5:43:43 PM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: oyez
A ten year old was shot in the street

I agree with what you're saying but wondering if it hurts to get shot there?

17 posted on 07/11/2007 5:47:49 PM PDT by liege
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Okay, I’m a Yankee, but my hubbie is a country boy. Doesn’t matter if you’re from the north or the south, I think it’s country verses city. I am a country girl born in the Bronx! Annie, get yer gun! I love the mountains, am claustrophobic, want to live in a 2 room cabin, and have panic attacks when I see a crowd. Unfortunately for me, God may call me back to NYC to do some mission work, instead of the Rockies, the Yukon, or Sequoia National Park. Oh, I like Alan Jackson, Billy Ray Cyrus, Billy Bob Thornton and George Washington.


18 posted on 07/11/2007 5:54:18 PM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: texanyankee
Scutari's bill would make it illegal to sell or give to anyone under 18 and imitation firearm,

Busy, Busy, Busy!

19 posted on 07/11/2007 5:57:43 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: texanyankee
“The margin between a child’s stupid mistake and a tragic ending is far too thin,” said Sen. Nicholas Scutari.”

Actually, the margin between a liberal Senator’s stupid mistakes and a tragic ending for the country is far too thin.

20 posted on 07/11/2007 5:58:01 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: huldah1776

Last week I went to a party where guests were encouraged to bring their kids (the hosts have three sons and a house full of toys). I was enthralled by one little girl who clutched a toy automatic pistol, clicking it constantly. When I told her father that this meant she might grow up to be a Republican, he glared daggers at me. A boy about the same age picked up a dinosaur toy, leveled it at anyone listening, while shouting “Bang! Bang!” His mother assured me that “there are no war toys in our house”.

Strange how kids often prove smarter than politicians.


21 posted on 07/11/2007 6:00:04 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

I know we have to use guns to protect our homes and to provide some dinner, but I also look forward to the day when the King of Kings rules with an iron fist and we’ll be safe enough to have them melted into gardening tools. Until then, until He says it’s safe, we can never give up our guns.


22 posted on 07/11/2007 6:08:35 PM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: texanyankee

The kid with the toy gun shot by the cop is pure Darwin in action; point something that looks like a gun at a cop and you’re too stupid to live.


23 posted on 07/11/2007 6:14:22 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: texanyankee
New Jersey has turned into to an overflowing moral and repulsive cesspool. I was born there. spent most of my adulthood there and am happy to have left it behind me a few years ago. The place is a mess and herein is the problem....more than half of what’s left of the populace backbone believes that “something for nothing, what can I personally get out of this” and the promises of the Democrats is an acceptable and workable path for the future.
I am so disgusted that there are no words left to describe it. Slowly but surely my family relative leave the state....thank God. I have also told them to sell their cemetery plots as they leave. There is nothing left there.
24 posted on 07/11/2007 6:17:21 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: advertising guy

It always amazes me that there are so many more horses arses than horses.
Not to mention how many of them end up on the taxpayers payroll.


25 posted on 07/11/2007 6:28:10 PM PDT by BoneShaker ("There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." - Mark Twain)
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To: texanyankee

What about paint ball guns can they be useful if bright colored?

Most big water blasters are bright colored last time I played with one (years ago).

And most lil squirt guns are bright clear colors.

I have no problem with them requesting that toy guns be bright colored so they are not mistakened for realistic guns.

Heck with the lil (10 yr old) gang bangers packing real guns I can see why the need to have toy guns brightly colored.


26 posted on 07/11/2007 6:34:44 PM PDT by Global2010 ( Once I went Nanny Goat at the Ocean and then a Rip Tide hit me.)
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To: JimRed
The media reported that the kid was an honor student. Sounds like some thing from from Tom Wolf's’, "Bonfire of the Vanities."

It makes me wonder what they are teaching school these days, "Harry Potter?" I know common sense was cast out decades ago.

27 posted on 07/11/2007 7:11:35 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: texanyankee

“A New Jersey idiot, would-be commissar, and petty tyrant - self-appointed Regulator of the Planet - wants to make it illegal to sell or give to anyone under age 18 toy guns...”

Now it’s closer to the truth.


28 posted on 07/11/2007 7:14:25 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: texanyankee
N.J. Senator Proposes Toy Gun Ban

Ban toy guns and replace them with candy cigarettes and then get over it.

29 posted on 07/11/2007 7:17:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: huldah1776

My grandson is 15, if he runs across a freakin Cottonmouth Moccasin he just runs his little redneck butt right in, and grabs the weapon of choice! Hell,15, time enough to train a man, if that is what you set out to do!
NYC, mission work, Sheeat! Waste of time!


30 posted on 07/11/2007 7:18:37 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: mnehrling
Who decides what is ‘so realistic to be mistaken’?

Those who live outside of the realm of normal living?

Do I win?

31 posted on 07/11/2007 7:20:36 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
My grandson is 15, if he runs across a freakin Cottonmouth Moccasin he just runs his little redneck butt right in, and grabs the weapon of choice!

When I was 15 I had 5 years of gun toting and hunting alone under my belt.

When I was 10 I was with my Dad or older brother....

32 posted on 07/11/2007 7:23:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: oyez
It makes me wonder what they are teaching school these days,...

I wonder if they are teaching in school at all these days.

33 posted on 07/11/2007 7:26:16 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: texanyankee
When toy guns are banned, only kid outlaws will have toy guns.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

34 posted on 07/11/2007 7:27:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 383rr; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
“We need to stress to our children that guns are not toys, but deadly weapons which should always be regarded with extreme caution and handled with respect,” Scutari said.





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35 posted on 07/11/2007 7:37:09 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: texanyankee

36 posted on 07/11/2007 7:40:11 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: texanyankee
Obviously, some people don't have enough to do.

Unfortunately, they make laws which can ultimately be enforced by deadly force.

37 posted on 07/11/2007 7:48:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: EGPWS
When I was 15 I had 5 years of gun toting and hunting alone under my belt.

When I was 10 I was with my Dad or older brother....When I was 10 my Christmas present As a 410 shotgun, and learned how to freeze my butt off rabbit hunting with my Dad.

When I was 12 and starting in Jr. High School, the school Cadet Corps issued me a fully operational 1903 Model 30-06 Springfield Army Rifle to drill with and to care for. We could either keep them at home or in the school armory. I kept mine at home most of the time so I could clean it at least twice a week, because woe to any cadet whose rifle Major Payne, U.S. Army, PMS&T, found not up to his standards.

When I was 17 I was commissioned and carried a regulation Army-type saber.

I was also a member of the school rifle team which met every Friday before school in the cafeteria (where our firing range was) for practice.

I was in the Cadet Corps for 6 years, amongst all of those heavily armed desperado and never once saw or heard of one of them commit a crime suing one of those deadly weapons -- nor did I see anyone point one of them at anyone -- THAT was the first thing we were taught BEFORE we even saw a rifle.

And breaking that rule meant instant dismissal from the Corp. No excuses. Can you imagine what what a pantyliner hemorrhage that Senator would have if he were suddenly transported back there. He'd probably die of fright.

38 posted on 07/12/2007 9:14:00 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

OOOOPS!!!! Forgot to close my italics.

Oh well — it looks pretty like that, don’t you think?


39 posted on 07/12/2007 9:15:18 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
PS -- That's me talking starting with the third paragraph.

Hmmmmmm.

40 posted on 07/12/2007 9:17:31 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: traviskicks

Why don’t they ban toy politicians first here in the Democratic Peoples Republic of New Jersey.


41 posted on 07/12/2007 10:10:11 AM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Man50D
A New Jersey senator wants to make it illegal to sell or give to anyone under age 18 toy guns

How many 18 year olds are playing with toy guns?

42 posted on 07/12/2007 11:39:10 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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