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Collapse of Big Dig Ceiling in Boston Is Tied to Glue
The New York Times ^ | July 11, 2007 | MATTHEW L. WALD

Posted on 07/11/2007 9:00:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON, July 10 — The ceiling collapsed in one of Boston’s Big Dig tunnels a year ago, killing one woman, because builders used the wrong epoxy to hold the anchor bolts in place, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.

“We’re talking about the wrong glue here, in effect,” said Kitty Higgins, one of the five members of the board, which said that the epoxy selected dried quickly but lost strength weeks later.

A continuing theme of the board’s meeting Tuesday was how small a detail led to the accident. “It’s kind of ironic in a $14 billion project,” said Deborah A. P. Hersman, a board member. “About $1.50 per anchor is what ended up bringing the ceiling down.”

During construction, the builders tested the strength of the bolts; when some failed, the problem was attributed to installation errors, not breakdown of the epoxy.

“The knowledge of the engineering community seems to be deficient,” said Bruce A. Magladry, director of the board’s office of highway safety.

With concrete, steel and asphalt, he said, “once you test them for strength, they essentially keep that strength forever.”

“Epoxy is not that way, it’s a different material,” Mr. Magladry said.

Builders of a variety of other tunnels, some in New York, use epoxy, investigators said, but the panels being supported are much lighter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bigdig; romneylegacy
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1 posted on 07/11/2007 9:00:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; blam; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; SunkenCiv

The Fast Setting Epoxy loses strength after a few weeks...WHO KNEW....where are the engineers...?


2 posted on 07/11/2007 9:02:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Where’s the MONEY??


3 posted on 07/11/2007 9:04:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Glue? How odd.

I should have tied it to the inevitable Boston political crookery and the entirely predictable inompetence of the politicos' sons'-in-law.

Silly me.

4 posted on 07/11/2007 9:04:19 PM PDT by SAJ
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Bechtel wrote specifications for the epoxy and reviewed the choice but never thought about its long-term strength, according to investigators.

Norm,....isn't Bechtel HDQ in San Francisco?

5 posted on 07/11/2007 9:04:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Too much Kennedy Scotch mixed with the epoxy?

Or cheaper epoxy means more Scotch for ol Ted

6 posted on 07/11/2007 9:04:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

isn’t Bechtel HDQ in San Francisco?

Yes.
http://www.bechtel.com/offices.htm


7 posted on 07/11/2007 9:10:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There was a communication error between the english instructions and the spanish/chinese/indian/polish/italian/arab builders.


8 posted on 07/11/2007 9:11:14 PM PDT by TheZMan (Texas is no place for pansy-ass liberals. Ya'll move back to California er Mexico er somethin')
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Another Kennedy project results in a woman’s death. Heard this one before.


9 posted on 07/11/2007 9:14:48 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Politicians sniffing it is more like it.


10 posted on 07/11/2007 9:24:38 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It was a series of errors. 3000lb ceiling decorative (to hide the ventilation stuff) panels?

Non-qualified installers using the wrong epoxy, and from what remember, the union types didn't know epoxy from Elmers White Glue, let alone how to properly mix and apply it, but they claimed the contract.

Romney's hands aren't exactly clean, but the MA Democrats did everything they could, and more, to hamper Romney in his bid to get a handle on the problems and waste - too many no-show patronage jobs and contracts, including legal firms in which MA legislators were partners, were at stake.

Heck, the solons would charge their own relatives for jobs.

11 posted on 07/11/2007 9:29:34 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“The supplier in Boston, Powers Fasteners, noted that the fast-set epoxy was not for long-term use but that information was “in the fine print,” said Mr. Magladry, and no one recognized that the material would weaken.”

Wow. I’m not an engineer, but even I know that fast set epoxy isn’t for the heavy duty, long term kind of jobs.


12 posted on 07/11/2007 9:30:29 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Did they say who was sniffing it?


13 posted on 07/11/2007 9:40:20 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Look for, the Union Label...


14 posted on 07/11/2007 10:21:51 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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15 posted on 07/11/2007 10:27:08 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“The ceiling collapsed in one of Boston’s Big Dig tunnels a year ago, killing one woman, because builders used the wrong epoxy to hold the anchor bolts in place, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.”

Oh dear God, what an unbelievably careless mistake!


16 posted on 07/12/2007 4:10:25 AM PDT by Mila
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Too late... The job is done, the fall guys have fallen and the MA pols are quietly retired to Boca Rotten, the Elephant Burying Ground for dim-witted pols from all over the North East.


17 posted on 07/12/2007 4:40:36 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The issue really is bad joint design in an area where even a single failure is unacceptable. They should have used J- hooks, or some other type of positive mechanical connection to the steel structure. Suspending the weight of a tractor trailer using threaded rods epoxied into blind holes? Sombody watched too many Krazy Glue commercials.

There are so many factors that go into designing, producing, and qualifying high reliability adhesive bonds, that it just seems foolish to have allowed their use here.


18 posted on 07/12/2007 6:00:33 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: Jack of all Trades
Being involved in major construction of all types, I have to agree with your accessment.

Caulking should not be used in lieu of weather closure, an epoxy set anchor should not be placed in tension, and existing sub-soils should be proof rolled.

This was a design error before any error first and foremost.

If for some highly unlikely reason it was necessary, then special care in the specification of the material including a sample test and frequent field tests should have been specified.

Often times the trade contractor in the field has three days to order out the material needed for a procedure where the designer has three years to select and specify it.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen small plumbing contractors paint a fitting a bright copper color to try and make a stupid substitution out os stupid attempts to not have to stop work and pay for the right part, but this smacks of the threaded rod design on the Hyatt Regency Skywalks collapse.

19 posted on 07/12/2007 6:21:31 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: KC Burke

Construction is not my field, but I have built a lot of stuff to last, and I do know epoxies. Your points about sample collection and field test are spot on.

To me this situation looks like an afterthought. Either it’s a bandaid on another design issue, or somebody decided to dole out some extra steel and concrete contracts.

BTW, one of the biggest factors I’ve seen in epoxy joint durability is thermal cycling. Under a car’s hood these can be extreme and frequent, but in a tunnel are they considered a factor? Is accelerated life testing used in design qualification?


20 posted on 07/12/2007 6:47:58 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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