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PICTURES: MV-22 tiltrotor makes Illustrious debut on UK carrier
www.flightglobal.com ^ | 12/07/07 | Craig Hoyle

Posted on 07/12/2007 11:51:00 AM PDT by Freeport

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To: Weeedley

Boeing employees said the same thing about the B-52. And Northrop employees said the same thing about the B-2.


61 posted on 07/13/2007 3:45:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Engine fire after the nacelle began rotating resulting in loss of the ICDS.


62 posted on 07/21/2007 6:18:52 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Spktyr
The CH-47 is a good bird, but it does NOT fit aboard Marine strike carriers. The blades do not, and cannot fold.

The Chinook won't fit in the hangar bay on a LHA or LHD and although the CH-47s do not have an automatic blade folding mechanism the F has a manual fold mechanism.

63 posted on 07/21/2007 6:29:12 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Weeedley
It cant sustain any battle damage and be survivable.

Unless your intent is to come across as an ignorant buffoon you really ought to read the actual ballistics test data on the aircraft before you make such an asinine statement. However, reading all of your silly posts on this thread indicates that that your intent is for the former not the latter.

64 posted on 07/21/2007 6:34:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: usmcobra

Is that the USS Peleliu in the photo?


65 posted on 07/21/2007 6:50:14 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: jettester

Yes it is.


66 posted on 07/21/2007 7:06:58 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: NucSubs

My nephew was a nuc-officer on the Carl Vinson, he gave me and my mother a tour of it, so that I have a nodding acquintance w/the nuclear navy. As to the V22, it’s sort of a bastard turkey, not true helicopter nor airplane. The shuttle is a similar turkey, not true rocket nor airplane.

Now why does the military-industrial complex come up with such turkey designs? Simple : JOBS. The more JOBS a program produces = the more political clout your design has. Forget advanced designs that might do a better JOB of taking on the enemy in combat situations, the JOBS here in the aircraft industry are VASTLY more important, thus the V22 TURKEY.

There is a much better concept illustrated in a book : NANOFUTURE by J.S.Hall, the aircar. It’s “wings” are tiny rotors in a thin film, with redundancy wiring you could shoot a lot of holes in it and it would still fly.

And that’s just one possibility, I know of several more that would fulfill the V22 role. No, the problem here is lack of imagination. Can you realistically expect our potential enemies to have the same lack of imagination?

And so, yes, I expect this V22 to end up in the AZ boneyard where it belongs, a failed idea.


67 posted on 07/21/2007 7:23:12 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Ouch! I stand corrected. We had a pod fire in a 130 once. Got her back on deck just in time at KNKT. Have they done any tanking off a KC-130 yet? I would love to see that. I can remember feeling the 53s come into trail behind the hose. I would imagine it would be even greater with an MV-22 in trail...
68 posted on 07/21/2007 8:18:09 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Freeport

Yes, the more I think about the V22, I can’t help but compare it to the russian helicopters in afghanistan. They had titanium shells for the cabin but balsa wood tails, easily shot down with stingers. I see the same vulnerabities here : RPGs from behind rocks, adobe huts...the V22 just couldn’t go toe to toe with them.

Really, I can’t see any great genius in this turkey of a design, it’s just a cobbled together mess that will ultimately fail in real combat missions. And that means our best, finest young soldiers will DIE proving that. Hey, these guys are putting their very lives on the line out there on the frontier, protecting our freedoms from an insane ideology that wants to kill us all. We OWE it to them to give them the very best equipment we can. Come on folks, let’s put our thinking caps on; we can do better than this V22, I KNOW we can.


69 posted on 07/22/2007 1:44:00 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Spktyr
At least the Osprey has the possibility of gliding.

Those huge props look like they would hit the ground before the rest of the plane did.

Can this plane land if the rotors don't tilt up for whatever reason?

70 posted on 07/22/2007 1:52:11 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Recovering Hermit

Yes, it can land. It can’t take off again, but it can land.

The props will shatter into string and dust on landing like that - they’re carbon fiber and will not penetrate the fuselage.


71 posted on 07/22/2007 2:24:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
The props will shatter into string and dust on landing like that - they’re carbon fiber and will not penetrate the fuselage.

Thanks very much for this information, which once again confirms the pure genius behind the ingenuity of Americans.

I hope it lasts.

72 posted on 07/22/2007 3:20:28 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: timer

You’ll be in a boneyard before the Osprey is, gomer.


73 posted on 07/23/2007 4:50:13 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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74 posted on 07/23/2007 4:51:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Freeport

Now that is sweet looking! God luck!

Semper Fi’
Jarhead


75 posted on 07/23/2007 4:53:13 AM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - 1971 - 1974)
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To: timer

Once again you’ve demonstrated that you suffer from cranial rectumitis. However, you do serve a useful purpose, giving the Marines at New River a lot of laughs reading your ignorant posts.


76 posted on 07/23/2007 4:53:36 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: fredhead
I served on three of the carriers; two nukes, Nimitz and Eisenhower; and the last conventional, John F. Kennedy.

Um, wouldn't that be the Kitty Hawk; Not the one you served on, but the last conventional?

77 posted on 07/23/2007 5:04:16 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Low IR paint is shiny?

Somehow, to me, it seems that reflecting light (like off the tail section in the profile view in #1) would not be a good thing. Now I suppose you could reflect light but not the the IR part, but if you're not reflecting IR then you're absorbing it, and that would still be bad, wouldn't it?

Just asking.

78 posted on 07/23/2007 5:29:37 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Looks like an F model...Pax River?


79 posted on 07/23/2007 9:10:03 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Real combat will be the acid test, always has been. What I worry about is the fine young men that will be lost flying in this turkey.


80 posted on 07/23/2007 10:41:18 AM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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