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Intel report: Al-Qaida aiming at US
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/12/07 | Katherine Shrader - ap

Posted on 07/12/2007 3:18:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Al-Qaida is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. intelligence assessment, The Associated Press has learned.

The draft National Intelligence Estimate is expected to paint an ever-more-worrisome portrait of al-Qaida's ability to use its base along the Pakistan-Afghan border to launch and inspire attacks, even as Bush administration officials say the U.S. is safer nearly six years into the war on terror.

Among the key findings of the classified estimate, which is still in draft form and must be approved by all 16 U.S. spy agencies:

• Al-Qaida is probably still pursuing chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and would use them if its operatives developed sufficient capability.

• The terror group has been able to restore three of the four key tools it would need to launch an attack on U.S. soil: a safe haven in Pakistan's tribal areas, operational lieutenants and senior leaders. It could not immediately be learned what the missing fourth element is.

• The group will bolster its efforts to position operatives inside U.S. borders. In public statements, U.S. officials have expressed concern about the ease with which people can enter the United States through Europe because of a program that allows most Europeans to enter without visas.

The document also discusses increasing concern about individuals already inside the United States who are adopting an extremist brand of Islam.

National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative written judgments that reflect the consensus long-term thinking of senior intelligence analysts.

Government officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the report has not been finalized, described it as an expansive look at potential threats within the United States and said it required the cooperation of a number of national security agencies, including the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security Department and National Counterterrorism Center.

National security officials met at the White House on Thursday about the intelligence estimate and related counterterrorism issues. The tentative plan is to release a declassified version of the report and brief Congress on Tuesday, one government official said.

Ross Feinstein, spokesman for National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell, declined to discuss the document's specific contents. But he said it would be consistent with statements made by senior government officials at congressional hearings and elsewhere.

The estimate echoes the findings of another analysis prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center earlier this year and disclosed publicly on Wednesday. That report — titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West" — found the terrorist group is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," a counterterrorism official familiar with the reports findings told The Associated Press.

On Thursday, news of the counterterrorism center's threat assessment renewed the political debate about the nature of the al-Qaida threat and whether U.S. actions — in Iraq in particular — have made the U.S. safer from terrorism.

At a news conference Thursday, President Bush acknowledged al-Qaida's continuing threat to the United States and used the new report as evidence his administration's policies are on the right course.

"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on Sept. 11," he said. "That's why what happens in Iraq matters to security here at home."

Yet Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said Iraq has distracted the United States. He said the U.S. should have finished off al-Qaida in 2002 and 2003 along the Afghan-Pakistan border.

Instead, "President Bush chose to invade Iraq, thereby diverting our military and intelligence resources away from the real war on terrorism," Rockefeller said. "Threats to the United States homeland are not emanating from Iraq. They are coming from al-Qaida leadership."

He called for the U.S. to end its involvement in what he called the Iraqi civil war.

In recent weeks, senior national security officials have been increasingly worried about an al-Qaida attack in the United States.

Appearing on a half-dozen morning TV shows Thursday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff laid out a list of factors contributing to his "gut feeling" that the nation faces a higher risk of attack this summer: al-Qaida's increased freedom to train in South Asia, a flurry of public statements from the network's leadership, a history of summertime attacks, a broader range of attacks in North Africa and Europe, and homegrown terrorism increasing in Europe.

"Europe could become a platform for an attack against this country," Chertoff told CNN, although he and others continue to say they know of no specific, credible information pointing to an attack here.

National security officials are frustrated by an agreement last year between Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and tribal leaders in western Pakistan, which gave tribes near the Afghan border greater autonomy and has led to increased al-Qaida activity in the region.

Nevertheless, Bush administration officials still view Musharraf as a partner.

Speaking to a congressional hearing, Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher said that Pakistan under Musharraf has captured more al-Qaida operatives than any other country and that several major Taliban leaders were captured or killed this year.

"There is a considerable al-Qaida presence at the border, but they are under pressure," Boucher told a House national security subcommittee.

Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., was skeptical, saying Osama bin-Laden and other terrorist leaders apparently feel safe there. "Is this a Motel 6 for terrorists?" he asked.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee, Lara Jakes Jordan, Barry Schweid and Deb Riechmann contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aiming; aliens; alqaeda; alqaida; border; bushfailure; cia; immigration; intel; islam; jihadinamerica; muhammadsminions; nie; report; rockefeller; terrorspectacular
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1 posted on 07/12/2007 3:18:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Sure glad we have our borders secured. /sarc
2 posted on 07/12/2007 3:19:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Glad we have secure borders and a tough immigration policy...


3 posted on 07/12/2007 3:19:53 PM PDT by joonbug
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To: NormsRevenge
Al-Qaida aiming at US

No sh**! How much did they pay for the Intell?
4 posted on 07/12/2007 3:21:17 PM PDT by Perdogg (Support the President's Policy in Iraq)
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To: NormsRevenge
Me, what I'm glad about is, that we have a crack journalistic corps able to bring such scintillating and informative news to us such as "Al-Qaida aiming at US".

Without journalists to tell me things like this, where would I be?

5 posted on 07/12/2007 3:21:53 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: NormsRevenge

What if they gave a Jihad and nobody came?


6 posted on 07/12/2007 3:22:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: joonbug

Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

Sen Chairman Jay Rockefeller claimed that Iraq was an imminent threat.


7 posted on 07/12/2007 3:22:38 PM PDT by Perdogg (Support the President's Policy in Iraq)
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To: Perdogg

“He said the U.S. should have finished off al-Qaida in 2002 and 2003 along the Afghan-Pakistan border.”

It’s not too late - how about a MOAB party along the Pakistan/Afghan border and wipe out all those tribal areas up in the north western region that we KNOW are harboring AL-Quaida?


8 posted on 07/12/2007 3:24:06 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: Borax Queen; Czar; WestCoastGal
Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States

"Sneaking through," just like 24 million illegals have....press 2 for Spanish.

I only have one question....is AQ ordering hot sauce to go with their tacos???

9 posted on 07/12/2007 3:27:21 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: NormsRevenge

Now are these the peaceful Muslims that cover themselves head to foot or the evil Muslims that cover themselves head to foot? Because Chertoff has that gut feeling thing going you know..along with “the Muslim people are good” thing going.. And lordknows I don’t want to offend anyone with plastic sheeting and duct tape. Another thing: where has our “Threat Level Alert” color chart been lately??


10 posted on 07/12/2007 3:27:39 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: Perdogg

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/07/michael-chertoffs-fecklessness-taking.html


11 posted on 07/12/2007 3:28:13 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe if we talked to them, we could get them to see how silly they are being. We just want to be friends. :)


12 posted on 07/12/2007 3:30:18 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Pssst! Senor Al Queda! Thees ees the way!


13 posted on 07/12/2007 3:30:53 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: NormsRevenge

They actually pay people to figure this out?


14 posted on 07/12/2007 3:31:49 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

Chertoff has that gut feeling thing going you know

probably just a bad head of cabbage. I’m sure it’ll pass soon.. ;-)


15 posted on 07/12/2007 3:32:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Sure glad we have our borders secured.

If a veritable battalion of Al-Quaida operatives snuck across our porous Southern border and unleashed mayhem, their method of entrance into the U.S. would never be mentioned in an AP story.

16 posted on 07/12/2007 3:32:55 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: NormsRevenge
Hey, I know the solution, lets go into Pakistan and get them. Lets launch a military operation. I am sure the democrats would back that all the way until it was unpopular and not backing it could help them win an election.

OK, then surely we can increase our surveillance programs to monitor the terrorist’s communications. Wait, what am I saying. Silly me, that is “wiretapping” and is expressly verboten by the dems.

Not to worry, we will institute a no fly list for suspected terrorists. Oh yeah, scratch that.

Still, we can rely on the tools given in the Patriot Act to assure that we can tap cell phones and other things. Oh wait, forgot, the Patriot Act is just a vehicle to pump up a bumper sticker whereby George Bush can institute fascism on the citizens of the U.S. and those innocents who practice the religion of peace.

Well, there is always profiling. . what? Oh, sorry, yes, none of that. I mean anyone can be a terrorist, especially white haired grannies.

How about requiring visas or passports? Nyet on that.

Increasing security at airports? Increasing security anywhere? Why should we tolerate such invasions of our privacy!?!

Damn, when you think about it, that stinking George Bush is really failing to protect us. I mean, if he was not so distracted by that War in Iraq where sure, we are fighting Al Queda but not really, he could be using all the numerous tools at his disposal to ensure the safety of this country. /sarcasm

(Disclaimer, none of the above excuses the POTUS failure to secure the borders)

17 posted on 07/12/2007 3:33:09 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: NormsRevenge

Boy our intel guys are right on top of things aren’t they? I guess all those hundreds of thousands of manhours are really paying off. I feel safer already.


18 posted on 07/12/2007 3:34:22 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: princess leah
It’s not too late - how about a MOAB party along the Pakistan/Afghan border and wipe out all those tribal areas up in the north western region that we KNOW are harboring AL-Quaida?

Yep an unannounced surprise party!

Hit every Border camp

Hit every stronghold inside Iraq ..Mosque Included!

Hit Mouqtada Al Sadr with the fist of god!..then display whatever is left.

Do it all simultaneously inside Iraq, on the borders of Iraq, iran and syria, pakistan and Afghanistan...Be Every Where at Once!.

It's never shock and awe unless its a surprise.

19 posted on 07/12/2007 3:34:38 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Intel report: Al-Qaida aiming at US

Al-Qaeda targeting America? Now there's a shock.


20 posted on 07/12/2007 3:34:43 PM PDT by lowbridge (If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: Plutarch

Never.


21 posted on 07/12/2007 3:35:24 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Nervous Tick

I guarantee you if they strike anywhere in Texas, they’ll kill more Mexicans than Americans. From where I sit in Houston, it looks like a 10-1 ration of illegals to citizens. Then wait until the Mexican lawsuits fly, claiming we put “their citizens” in harm’s way. When all they were doing here was the work Americans wouldn’t do.


22 posted on 07/12/2007 3:35:36 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Another thing: where has our “Threat Level Alert” color chart been lately??

Which one?




23 posted on 07/12/2007 3:35:47 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

so, what I get from this is not only are they trying to attack us, as we found out a few days ago, but it’s confirmed that they have the capabilities.


24 posted on 07/12/2007 3:36:08 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeh thats right I remember last time when them Al-Qaeda’s got in here and struck us on 911 and when the 911 comission revealed that they all snuck across the Mexican border in the back of one of them there Coyote trucks right...

Get a grip the fence is not the issue... See the Forest through the trees...


25 posted on 07/12/2007 3:36:16 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Conservatives that use emotion to hype issues without relying on facts are just as bad as Liberals .)
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To: expatguy

spot on


26 posted on 07/12/2007 3:37:02 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: NormsRevenge

Sure would have been a great idea to give Z-Visas to the ones that are already here, dont’cha know ... oh and I’m sure they would have paid that $5,000 fine ...


27 posted on 07/12/2007 3:38:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: NormsRevenge
The terror group has been able to restore three of the four key tools it would need to launch an attack on U.S. soil ... It could not immediately be learned what the missing fourth element is.
Then how do they know it hasn't been restored?
28 posted on 07/12/2007 3:38:56 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Paladin2

Nothing to fear from a Bumper Sticker campaign right?


29 posted on 07/12/2007 3:39:44 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Conservatives that use emotion to hype issues without relying on facts are just as bad as Liberals .)
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To: tomnbeverly

Obviously you missed the 1993 World Trade Center attack where Ramzi Yousef entered the U.S. illegally, was set free after promising to show up for his hearing several months later and then failed to appear. Gee, what a shock.

He built the bomb that blew up in the garage of one building of the World Trade Center but didn’t knock it down.

He then escaped and had to be caught - again.

No he didn’t come through Mexico. But he could have just as easily.


30 posted on 07/12/2007 3:40:51 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

>> I guarantee you if they strike anywhere in Texas, they’ll kill more Mexicans than Americans.

It’s not that way in *my* neck o’ the woods yet (Williamson County)... unless they hit a construction site, then they’ll kill 100% Mexicans! ;-)

I wish I could chalk up your lawsuit fears to cynicism, but I have nightmares that you could be right.


31 posted on 07/12/2007 3:41:21 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: nicmarlo
Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States "Sneaking through," just like 24 million illegals have....press 2 for Spanish. I only have one question....is AQ ordering hot sauce to go with their tacos??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maybe that's where that "gut feeling" comes from...and,,, Image and video hosting by TinyPic
32 posted on 07/12/2007 3:41:27 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: NormsRevenge
which is still in draft form and must be approved by all 16 U.S. spy agencies

So much for the "Department of Homeland Security". If 16 spy agencies have to approve something as serious as this, the red tape is a bit sticky.

33 posted on 07/12/2007 3:41:56 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The terror group has been able to restore three of the four key tools it would need to launch an attack on U.S. soil: a safe haven in Pakistan's tribal areas, operational lieutenants and senior leaders. It could not immediately be learned what the missing fourth element is.

The final element is President Hillary Clinton.

34 posted on 07/12/2007 3:41:58 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Borax Queen; Czar
a program . . . allows most Europeans to enter without visas.
35 posted on 07/12/2007 3:42:08 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: tomnbeverly; NormsRevenge

are you certain that no Al-Qaeda memebers have breached the wide-open border to enter this country?

they could be here now. I think that was the guys point. Open borders do not help prevent terrorism.


36 posted on 07/12/2007 3:42:09 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Nervous Tick
Answer: hang the liberals first, followed by the terrorists.
37 posted on 07/12/2007 3:42:54 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Lucky9teen

The Simpson Scale seems to be the one most Americans could easily understand. 80% of the American People believe we are at the Homer Simpson green level. There are going to be a LOT of people running around in their underwear wondering WTF just happened...


38 posted on 07/12/2007 3:42:56 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( Bumper sticker idea: Hillary/Obama Nation '08. Let the desolation begin)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Maybe that's where that "gut feeling" comes from...and,,,

BTTT!!!

(Can I steal that, CM? thanks : )

39 posted on 07/12/2007 3:44:07 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Fo’Sho...;0)


40 posted on 07/12/2007 3:47:47 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: EverOnward

Thanks - Hope to have a big update tomorrow -


41 posted on 07/12/2007 3:47:54 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

ty!


42 posted on 07/12/2007 3:48:29 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: HAL9000
The final element is President Hillary Clinton.

And that's only about 18 months away.

43 posted on 07/12/2007 3:48:30 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Step 1: Grind up baby. Step 2: smear on stretch marks. Step 3: two problems solved! Be happy!)
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To: NormsRevenge

>> Intel report: Al-Qaida aiming at US

Is this report backed up by the “Gut feeling” report?


44 posted on 07/12/2007 3:48:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: F15Eagle

Facts... Facts... Stop the emotion.. Read the tagline... Get a grip...IF you honestly believe that The Democrats are going to fix this problem then say so ... If you don’t then leave GWB alone about it already its over...


45 posted on 07/12/2007 3:49:13 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Conservatives that use emotion to hype issues without relying on facts are just as bad as Liberals .)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Neither will closing the southern one only.... It takes more then a wall to fix this problem...Hence the word COMPREHENSIVE...


46 posted on 07/12/2007 3:50:34 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Conservatives that use emotion to hype issues without relying on facts are just as bad as Liberals .)
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To: NormsRevenge
Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., was skeptical, saying Osama bin-Laden and other terrorist leaders apparently feel safe there. "Is this a Motel 6 for terrorists?" he asked.

Hey Osama, we'll leave a light on for ya!


47 posted on 07/12/2007 3:51:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t understand the reasoning of spending the blood and treasure to subdue Iraq when the WH can’t be bothered to stop Islamism from entering through our front door.


48 posted on 07/12/2007 3:51:27 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Retired Greyhound

So what do you think Hillary or OBLAMA is going to do to fix this serious threat?

(Crickets Chirp)


49 posted on 07/12/2007 3:52:47 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Conservatives that use emotion to hype issues without relying on facts are just as bad as Liberals .)
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To: tomnbeverly

Heh. No, really... a fence will fix it. Ten foot... no... eleven feet... no... twelve feet... yeah, that’ll fix it.

Better yet: zip-lock. The biggest darn ziplock baggie you ever seen.

It’s all so simple. I don’t know why you don’t see that. Just seal the borders. Seal them. It’s just so simple I don’t know why it hasn’t been done. If tupperware can be sealed, so can 22,000 miles of border. :-)


50 posted on 07/12/2007 3:53:32 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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