Posted on 07/13/2007 9:13:39 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
Bush links Al Qaeda in Iraq to 9/11; critics reject connection By Michael R. Gordon and Jim Rutenberg Friday, July 13, 2007
BAGHDAD: In rebuffing calls to bring troops home from Iraq, President George W. Bush employed a stark and ominous defense. "The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq," he said, "were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th, and that's why what happens in Iraq matters to the security here at home."
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Well said. Crazy death cultists in all cases.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Former Bill Clinton advisor on the Middle East Laurie Mylrioe has been stating this all along including to the 911 Commission
Statement of Laurie Mylroie to the
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
July 9, 2003
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_mylroie.htm
This is such a BS piece... these people should get a life outside of the politics of Bush bashing.
The question is: "Do non-biased people agree?" The answer is 60% say yes. (BTW the "critics call them dumb).
Mr. Bush, you're going to have to get more specific than this, otherwise you're just going to open yourself up to more criticism. A lot more specific.
Good catch.
Conclusion
A major misunderstanding regarding the nature of terrorism arose in the wake of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, with the claim that a new form of terrorism had emerged that was no longer state-sponsored.
On the contrary, the major terrorist strikes against the U.S. that were attributed to “loose networks” of Islamic militants, including al Qaeda, are much better explained as Iraq, working with and hiding behind the militants. In short, the 1991 Gulf War did not end with the cease-fire declared back then.
The failure to pursue the question of the identities of the terrorist masterminds is a major lapse in the investigation. Most likely, if that issue were pursued it would provide a definitive tie between Iraqi intelligence and the 9/11 strikes, as well as other major attacks.
It is unlikely that these Baluch masterminds are a family; it is far more likely that they are Iraqi “illegals,” given “legends” on the basis of Kuwaiti documents, while Iraq occupied Kuwait.
The principle reason this issue has not been pursued is strong bureaucratic obstructionism in the US and UK, by individuals who cannot (or will not) recognize they have made a major mistake. Almost certainly, neither President Bush nor Prime Minister Blair understands how easy it may be to demonstrate Iraq’s link to the 9/11 attacks and other acts of terrorism. It may require intervention from such a senior level to overcome the bureaucratic obstructionism.
I wish there was a way we could back up the President more in the media after his statement.
Tony Snow could benefit a lot from your information and people like Laurie Mylroie & Lieutenant Colonel Robert Buzz Patterson.
The people BEHIND Atta and the people ALLIGNED with Atta.
Even the dumbest among us know the hijackers were killed, and they know that there are many other terrorists still alive who are out to get us.
Osama.
Zawahiri.
Et al.
Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda in Iraq has sworn allegiance to Osama.
President Bush said that yesterday...twice.
I got it.
Those that don’t, who allow themselves to be fooled by the lying MSM, are too dumb to breathe.
Exactly. President Bush went after two of the states that sponsor terror: Afghanistan and Iraq. He decided to neutralize a third state sponsor, Pakistan. You can argue about that, but on the whole it has been fairly reasonable as long as we continue to win in Afghanistan.
If he went astray, it was in not neutralizing two other prominent supporters of terror: Syria and Iran.
Then there’s the really BIG question. What about Saudi Arabia? We can’t even get to that one until we have dealt with the others, IMHO. Iraq was a start, and although no one likes to admit it (stupidly allowing our enemies their propaganda weapon) Iraq had to come first because it has major oil reserves. We cannot deal with the others until those reserves are secured.
Our opponents say, with big smirks, “It’s all about oil.” Well, no, the fundamental motive is the Muslim desire to conquer and enslave the world. But oil can hardly be ignored. Their smirks would disappear quickly enough if they had no gas for their cars and no way to heat their houses or run their computers and their ipods.
The overwhelming bulk of the violence taking place in Iraq is sectarian violence, being perpetrated by Iraqis who reject the current Iraqi government and are battling it our for eventual supremacy over the country.
I still think Bush should pull the troops out of Iraq..... Through Iran.
Let Israel take care of Syria and the Islamowhackos on the West Bank & Gaza.
Now let the Iraqi’s take care of Al Queada and Mookie.
The headline is one of the most deceitful headlines I have ever seen. President Bush said that the Al Qaeda terrorists we are fighting in Iraq were the same terrorists who did 9/11 but he did not mean that Al Qaeda planned and supported 9/11 when they were in Iraq.
They should read a book called The Connection by Stephen F. Hayes that highlights the links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. It’s amazing that 1.) Bush has taken so long to play this card 2.) this information is even questioned. There is plenty of evidence of terrorist activity in Iraq, from training grounds, eg. Salman Pak, to the testimony of top advisers like ex CIA director James Woolsey.
It seems you have fallen to the deception of the headlines by the treasonous liberal media. The President said correctly that we are fighting Al Qaeda terrorist organization in Iraq since 2003 and it is the same damn AL Qaeda terrorist organization who attacked us on 9/11. He did not mean that AL Qaeda planned the 9/11 terrorist attacks from Iraq.
And as I said before in Post #13, the problem is that the bulk of the violence in Iraq is being perpetrated by sectarian Iraqis against each other, with the Sunnis and the Shiites battling it out for eventual total supremacy over the country.
And the overwhelming bulk of the country understands this simple fact, in spite of all of the confusing, mushy-mouthed rhetoric coming out of the administration.
Now, I despise Hillary Clinton and her husband and emphatically do not want to see them in office. But I must tell you: if the Bush administration and their ever-dwindling number of water bucket carriers insist on continuing to push this rubbish, then the Republican party is going to take a beatdown in '08 that will make '06 look like a walk in the park.
Now, if you can live with that, that's fine. Like I said, I don't want this to be the case, but I've given you fair warning of what's going to happen.
OK, if you're determined to bury your head in the sand and go all the way down to the bottom with the Bush ship, that's fine. But don't say I didn't warn you of what's going to happen, because '08 is not going to be pretty. I've said my piece.
I agree. The war in Iraq is against Al Qaeda. And the reason Bush has such low ratings among Republicans has to do with his promotion of amnesty to illegal immigtrants, much more so than any of his Iraq policies.
After 9/11, the conventional wisdom - repeated by Dems as well as Republicans - was that al-Quaeda was a loose-knit organization, cooperating in various degrees with similar organizations who shared common objectives, and that crossover among the groups was common. Now, the Dems are saying that - no - al-Quaeda is a distinct and insular group with clear boundaries, and that it’s illegitimate to compare them with groups who use the same tactics to achieve the same objectives.
it sounded as if Pres. Bush linked iraqi alqueada to 9/11 attacks
Do you know traitor what will happen to us if we leave Iraq before we crush Al Qaeda and other terrorists there? The consequences of doing so on the US and the world will be worse than any nightmare we can imagine.
I contacted the International Herald Tribune and told them to be ashamed for putting such a lie and deception of a headline.
On other threads, FReepers themselves are calling Bush and Cheney traitors. They want them impeached. They hate them. Mostly over the borders issue but some other stuff thrown in.
jveritas has defended the President against these people and has truly had it with the situation. Could be why he ramped up the rhetoric after you obviously came on to bash Bush just as all the others are. I’d rather stand with him than with the likes of you.
Although none of us are perfect. Not President Bush and not you either...you doom prognostigator. Tell you what. If doom happens I won’t blame President Bush for it. I’ve got a brain and I don’t have BDS (Bush derangement syndrome).
You are also a traitor for putting the national security of the United States in a certain and assured great peril for pathetic political reasons. Go and join the democrat party they will suit you better, they are doing the same as you are doing, putting us in great peril for generations to come just to achieve some political gains.
I really had it with the defeatists on FR, I have never expected that this forum will one day have so many defeatists who lie and distort and give aid amd comfort to the enemy whether they meant it or not.
He certainly distorted the President’s words and position on al qaeda in Iraq being the same as the al qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan who hit us on Sept. 11.
Even after he has it squarely pointed out to him he persists in the distortion, right alongside the media’s distortion. Then he darkly predicts doom and gloom is coming and will be Bush’s fault, of course, just like everything has become Bush’s fault in the media and the leftist Democrats. He says anyone who tries to point out the truth to him that he distorted has now been warned by him that we are going to “go down with the Bush ship”.
Jveritas, what kind of people get their thrills by coming on here and saying this kind of pure rot?? It is rot to the very survival of our beloved country and our armed forces who are fighting so valiently.
In any case....
Imagine the mental hijinks it would have taken to explain the difference between the KKK that resided in different States.
The Islamic Cult Headchoppers are all the same, no matter what they call themselves.
They fall into one or more of these three categories:
1. Traitors.
2. Defeatists.
3. Idiots.
I am really mad Txrangerette, I am so sad and so disappointed that in these days we have so many of these folks that I mentioned above. Since when FR tolerate this?!
I had not seen this statement before. Don’t know how I missed it, I’m sure the media covered it non-stop at some point.
Thanks.
My heart is broken my FRiend to see all this on Free Republic. Were they really on our side and now betrayed us, the troops, and America, or are they just left wing trolls all along but hiding their true identity for years and now have the audacity to expose themselves?
Not everyone can be strong in an tough conflict, the weak do fall, to propaganda, disappointment, peer pressure, fatigue.
But there are always those to take their place in line, the sane and rational do tend to prevail in nature, lol!
Amen.
It has been documented by Laurie Mylroie and Stephen Hayes. But for some reason, the Bush Administration has been unwilling to follow it up (when Vice President Cheney alluded to it, he got stomped on by the MSM and no one in the Administration came forward to support him, as far as I know). I agree with you that the reason is bureaucratic obstructionism - by the CIA and MI6, who would be embarrassed by these revelations.
In any case, bringing out the al Qaeda/Iraq connection would require a rare act of courage from anyone in government - that person would be confronted with a frontal assault by the MSM, the Dems, parts of the State Department, and the CIA (we all know what happened to the Bush Administration when they tried to fight the CIA over reports of Saddam's attempt to acquire yellowcake from Africa).
Maybe at the end of the day Iraq can't cut it on their own but cleaning out al-Queda and their fellow travelers this year will go a long way towards Iraq security.
The regime in Iran is very unstable and may be near the tipping point. The next 6 months will be the most critical in the WOT and we have good chance to prevail if Congress doens't lose their nerve.
You asked:
“...what kind of people get their thrills by coming on here and saying this kind of pure rot??...”
IMHO, they are all “trolls”. Some are just “useful idiots”, but I think some others are paid lackeys dispatched by Soros & Co.
Hmmm...
In the this war to preserve the West from the predations of the “boob-bombers”, I think every such paid lackey fits Webster’s definition of “traitor” pretty well.
(we all know what happened to the Bush Administration when they tried to fight the CIA over reports of Saddam’s attempt to acquire yellowcake from Africa).
The ‘enemy’ was able to portray is as a ‘lie’. President Bush was unable to overcome the ‘swarm of ants’.
16 words
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
Congo not Niger!!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/10/covering_up_iraqs_quest_for_ur.html
CONGO MUST GO! A Perfect Storm roared up Gotcha Gulch. So the Congo was dropped from the story
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072803.shtml
Remember how the left bitched and moaned when they thought no one was listening to the Downing Street Memo crap?
Who doesn’t know the ‘fix’?
What we need is more cow bell!!! (Cow bell as in constant chatter.)
The irony remains liberals would be killed by the bin Laden’s of the world FIRST, just on general principal alone.
He's losing it.
Remember how quickly the Clinton blamed Saddam for the first WTC bombing.
More than that...
UNICEF: Clinton’s WMD Intelligence Killed more Iraqi Children Than Bush’s WMD Intelligence
Democrat’s lead by Clinton had only one approach to the Iraq problem,
and that was one of containment along with bombings (some small, some BIG and some even MASSIVE.)
This approach lead to over 1.2 million senseless deaths that most liberals enjoyed and supported because there was little resemblance to the act of war as they picture war to be; no ground invasion involved
- as they put it. Why did the democrats support sanctions? Because
Saddam was evil and intelligence indicated Saddam was still a threat.
Scott Ritter found lots of WMD, even said in 1998 Saddam could be back
in business of producing WMD in 6 months.
So what changed between the Clinton administration and the Bush
administration? Not much. There was no longer any weapons inspections
since Ritter made the above comment and there was no active weapons
inspections when Bush came into office. Four year absence. All Bush had
to go on was what Clinton had to go on plus four unsupervised years
until November 27, 2002, when inspectors returned.
While Saddam was what Hans Blix called cooperative on the ‘process’,
inspectors were still getting their chains pulled and jacked around as
they did in the 90’s.Bush said enough is enough, I am going to find out
for myself what Saddam really has or doesn’t have because it would be
too risky to leave the security of the US on the word of a pathological
liar known for revenge.
Clinton once said “And some day, some way, I guarantee you he’ll
[Saddam] use the arsenal. . . . In the next century, the community of
nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses
now—a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them
or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals
who travel the world among us unnoticed.”
Bush took action based on all the same indicators Clinton had, and had
the same fears found in his above prophecy.Clinton’spolicy left a far
greater death toll then any action to remove Saddam could ever produce.
To do nothing can be far more costly than action itself.
—Seven years after the imposition of the blockade on the people of
Iraq,morethan1.2 million people, including 750,000 children below the
age of five, have died because of the scarcity of food and medicine. 32
percent of children under age 5, some 960,000 children, are chronically
malnourished_a rise of 72 percent since 1991. 23% are underweight
- twice as high as the levels found in neighboring Jordan or Turkey.
(UNICEF, 1997) —Morethan4,500 children under age 5 died every month
in Iraq. (UNICEF, 1996)
—There has been a resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, including
polio, diphtheria and measles. (UNICEF, 1993)
The problem though is that most normal people who don't follow the situation as closely as we do are so thoroughly confused as to why we went into Iraq in the first place and what it is we're doing there, that it's helping to run the Republican party right into the ground. And Bush doesn't help matters much by being so deliberately obtuse and confusing about the truth of the matter, which our adversaries then exploit to their advantage.
And then when we try to point these facts out, his ever dwindling number of water bucket carriers have nothing but to call us "traitors". And calling people traitors isn't going to cut the mustard one bit if Novemeber of 2008 rolls around, and we still have guys dying in Iraq and most people have absolutely no idea why.
You asked:
“...what kind of people get their thrills by coming on here and saying this kind of pure rot??...”
IMHO, they are all “trolls”. Some are just “useful idiot” trolls, but I think some others are paid lackey trolls dispatched by Soros & Co.
Hmmm...
In this war to preserve the West from the predations of the “boob-bombers”, I think every such paid lackey fits Webster’s definition of “traitor” pretty well.
“In the United States today, we have more than our share of nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H club—the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.” (scripted by William Safire for vice president Spiro T. Agnew)
“most people have absolutely no idea why”
It just can’t be explained in a ‘sound bite’.
Agree 100%.
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