The Cold War is back

spectator.co.uk ^ | 14 July 2007 | Fraser Nelson

[Tailgunner Joe]

A little over a week ago, Vladimir Putin tested a weapon deadlier than anything developed by the Soviet Union. A missile launched from a submarine in the White Sea entered the stratosphere and returned precisely on target 3,800 miles away in the Russian Far East — the other side of the world. Such tests are meant to send messages. The target could just have easily been Tehran, Los Angeles or London. It signalled that Russia means business. After a hiatus of two decades, the arms race is back. ...The Russian military is once again treating Nato as the glavny protivnik, the primary enemy, and drawing up plans for a nuclear war. And Putin’s explicit aim is to challenge, and then counter, America’s world dominance. ...

In 2001, the defence budget was 140 billion roubles; today it stands at 870 billion (£16.7 billion) — a sixfold increase, and the fastest in Russia’s peacetime history. Last year, he added six new intercontinental missiles to his arsenal, 12 launch vehicles, 31 battle tanks and seven Mi-28N night attack helicopters. And this is but a small taste of what is to come.

The missile tested last week takes off so fast that no missile defence system could detect it in time. The new variant of the Topol-M missile will have multiple warheads, which splinter so they cannot be shot out of the sky. ...Meanwhile, Mr Putin has learnt to use energy as a weapon. ...

Precisely what Mr Putin intends to do with this muscle was made astonishingly clear in February when he delivered a speech at the Munich security conference. It was a ‘J’accuse’ to America, serving notice that Russia had moved from ally to adversary. ‘The United States has overstepped its borders in all spheres — economic, political and humanitarian, and has imposed itself on other states,’ he declared. ‘This is the world of one master, one sovereign.’ And his objective is to challenge such hegemony.

Three months ago, for example, the Vladimir Missile Army held a five-day exercise simulating full-on nuclear war with America. It practised moving its Topol-M missile under camouflage, to fool Western satellites. The army commander then gave details in an interview to the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper — in full knowledge that translated versions would instantly arrive on the desks of Western intelligence agencies. It was the nearest thing to writing the CIA a ‘from Russia with love’ memo.

These are not the clandestine methods of the Cold War. All this missile testing, ostentatious war-gaming and tub-thumping is clearly designed to draw attention to Russia. It is consistent with a bid to lead a new power axis — perhaps based upon the gas cartel which Russia is discussing with Iran, Qatar and Venezuela. Mr Putin visited the Middle East soon after making his anti-American outburst as if preparing the ground for a new coalition of aggrieved states hostile to America.

[operation clinton cleanup]

If we had one of these, the Democrats would call it a destabilizing, first strike weapon.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4XzipgqfbY&mode=related&search=

[Seeking the truth]

the time he phrased it slightly differently to an adviser, unaware that his microphone was still live and his remarks were being broadcast over the speaker system in the next room. ‘I’ve got him eating out of my hand,’ the President whispered. ‘You give these Russkies some cake and they’ll give you their souls.’

I remember the "reading his soul" remark, but I never heard this one.

Any Freepers remember this?

[huldah1776]

Gee, I feel like a kid again. Some things never change, just get worse.

[silentreignofheroes]

Keeps People like Us on our toes ,,

[james500]

I was just about to post the exact same question.

I don’t believe this is true but you know what happens when you repeat a lie enough...

[OldArmy52]

This news, even years from now, will be a complete surprise to the Dems.

[Porterville]

He was going to do it anyway. He just is using us as an excuse. If he had half a nut sack heed say it was for the muslim hordes from the south.

[huldah1776]

Will it be made known in the MSM? We had those alerts, etc. Terrorism, Warm-war, aids, abortion, etc, etc. Seems like the richer and smarter we get, the dumber and poorer we become.

[G8 Diplomat]

The Cold War never really ended...now it’s just resuming its old form (arms race). Russia’s getting serious now, and if they ally with China they could really make life miserable for the West.

The baby boomers “fought” the last Cold War. The next generation is going to have to fight this one. Looks like we are the new Cold Warriors.

Say, wasn’t there some old Chinese curse that went “May you live in interesting times”? Looks like they’re making the times interesting for us.

[mkjessup]

Any Freepers remember this?

I remember the whole 'soul' remark by the President, but believe you me, I WOULD have remembered something like 'give these Russkies some cake', etc.

It may be possible but it sounds more like fabrication and speculation out of the UK to me.

As for Putin's mighty missiles, this is nothing new, it was back in the late 50's and early 60's that Khrushchev was rattling his rockets and we know how that turned out.

Putin may be KGB, but he's living in the past if he thinks he's going to recapture the dubious glory of the former Soviet Union.

[G8 Diplomat]

...an interview to the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper

Doesn't that mean 'Red Star'?

Man, the Cold War is REALLY not over...

[glorgau]

The target could just have easily been Tehran, Los Angeles or London.

Or Beijing and Shanghai. I'm sure the Russians want to reassure the Chinese as to their deterrent abilities.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Why not? “Cheka” Putin brought back the red star as the Russia’s official national symbol.

[sasportas]

Yep, an emerging new and even more dangerous cold war. No problemo, with Hill and Bill in there - or ANY on the dim side - they’ll take care of us. > sarcasm <

[Mariner]

Really? Six new ICBMs? 31 New Main Battle Tanks?

We could build 120 new ICBMs per year and 500 tanks to boot. We can up the ante and add 200 first line aircraft. And 20 surface warships. And 5 submarines.

This article is silly sensationalism...this argument was settled in the 80's.

[exposing_the_left]

Yep, an emerging new and even more dangerous cold war. No problemo, with Hill and Bill in there - or ANY on the dim side - they’ll take care of us. > sarcasm <

Yup, the dems will "take care of us" alright!

On Oct 5, 2006, Democrat Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr, *gave a speech* to the World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime organization.
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=243

Or, if the long url above breaks up:
http://tinyurl.com/ygx9w6

Before that he PUBLICLY ENDORSED THE MOVEMENT! See "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include...". (Conyers' endorsement appears immediately after Ward Churchill's)
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2538&Itemid=2

Or, if the long url above breaks up:
http://tinyurl.com/ef6z6

FACT! World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST- revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary Communist Party!
(scroll down the list that appears to find the World Can't Wait organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party) :
http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm

From David Horowitz's
FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:

Profile: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (WCW)

*Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the Bush administration

*Organizes college and high-school students

*Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7213

From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party, parent org behind World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, the same organization that democrat Chair of the House Judiciary Committee endorsed, then gave a SPEECH to!

The RCP "Mission Statement": "Create Public Opinion, Seize Power! We are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning. And we have said that building our party itself is the most important part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the waging of that armed struggle. ":
http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

Here's the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of a FULL PAGE 'World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime' ad of theirs which actually appeared in the New York Slimes.
(either "rwor.org" or "revcom.us" takes you to the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times allowed a 2nd full-page RCP/WCW ad to be run several months later! In fact, they are, or have very recently, ran another large ad.
http://www.rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm

From the World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime "Youth and Students" page:

"The Students Are Stirring | Print | E-mail Good interview by Ron Jacobs interviewing a SDS organizer in North Carolina who is organizing for the March 20th walkouts. A Campus Antiwar Movement Begins to Make Its Mark

[an article] By Ron Jacobs"
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=3961&Itemid=5 or,

http://tinyurl.com/3yek4w

SDS = Students for a Democratic Society, a so-called "anti-war" (actually Maoist-revolutionary) organization which formed during the Vietnam era. They later split off into several other groups, one of which was the communist-revolutionary TERRORIST group The Weathermen.

Democrat Underground bloggers ("DUmmies") APPLAUD commie Conyers for signing the Revolutionary Communist Party call to "Drive Out the Bush Regime"

Read their outrageous comments here!

"Statement from [Democrat] Jim McDermott, U.S. Congressman from Washington To participants in the World Can't Wait actions today":
(rwor.org is the website of the REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY, and World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is their Maoist "anti-war" front group)
http://rwor.org/a/024/more-voices-from-november-2.htm

Again, from the RCP website, rwor.org:

"Tearing Up the U.S. Paper Tiger in Korea: How 300,000 Chinese Troops Snuck into Korea and Kicked the Ass of the U.S. Armed Forces" RW #1059, June 18, 2000:
http://rwor.org/a/v22/1052-059/1059/korea.htm

And here's some more evidence I dug-up on the commies in the demonRat party!

Is that DEMOCRAT House Ways and Means Chairman, Charlie Rangel, speaking at the podium of a Workers World Party / Troops Out Now rally???

But first, from the website of the Workers World Party, workers.org:

"On July 9 (1994), Workers World Party Chairperson Sam Marcy sent the following statement to Comrade Kim Jong Il, the Central Committee of the Workers Party of Korea and the State Funeral Committee of President Kim Il Sung.":

"Dear Comrade Kim Jong Il...

Workers World Party values our close, comradely relations with the Workers Party of Korea very highly. We are proud to have known Kim Il Sung as a great leader and a comrade in the international communist movement. ...

With comradely solidarity, Sam Marcy Chairperson, Workers World Party":

http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam94/1994html/s940721.htm

...this next item is also from the website of the Workers World Party, workers.org:

PHOTO!...Democrat representative and Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee (also Korean war vet), Charlie Rangel, speaking at the podium of a PRO-NORTH KOREA Workers World Party / Troops Out Now rally in Harlem, New York, on March 19th, 2005, the 2nd anniversary of the start of the Iraq war. Also observe the photo to the immediate left of Rangel's. It is of commie and terrorist attorneys, Lynn Steward and Attorney General under LBJ, Ramsey Clark. Clark chairs the International Action Center (IAC) and served as counsel for Saddam Hussein at his war crimes trial:

See photos at this link:
http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html

Here are a few not-so "anti-war" statements from the Workers World Party front, Troops Out Now. (clarifications within brackets were inserted by myself, a link to the original source is included at the end of the statements-LC) :

TROOPS OUT NOW: "It is time for the antiwar movement to acknowledge the absolute and unconditional right of the Iraqi people to resist the occupation of their country without passing judgment on their methods of resistance.[i.e., it's ok to saw the heads off of captured and bound hostages while they beg hopelessly for their lives, or to car bomb tens of freedom-seeking Iraqis at a time while they line up to join the police force or cast votes in the country's first ever free election. Even dragging school teachers out of a classroom and shooting them before the terrified eyes of their little students is cool with us. (this actually happened btw)-LC]...

their statement continues...

"Even the founding charter of the United Nations clearly affirms the right of an occupied people to resist by force of arms."

"We need to demand the immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of all U.S. occupation troops from Iraq."[what good little communist doesn't want a Russian-backed Iran to gain control of Iraq?-LC]

"We must support politically, morally and organizationally members of the U.S. armed services who are resisting the war, moreover, we must encourage this resistance." "There must no longer be any hesitation on the part of our movement regarding our support of the struggle of the Palestinian people to free themselves from occupation.[in other words, blowing up innocent civilians at restaurants and shopping malls is just fine with us-LC] As a movement we have made a huge step forward in this regard. There must be no turning back."

"We must work to facilitate the widest unity between all of the forces that are seriously organizing against the war and occupation."

All of the above statements, minus my 'clarifications', can be found at this Troops Out Now web page:
http://www.troopsoutnow.org/statements/outnow.html

Tanks again all!

"LC" (Exposing the Left)

[sodpoodle]

Nothing like a Cold War to focus the mind... we sure do need an Eisenhauer or a Churchill about now.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Putin would shut up before a President Hunter.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping.

[RichardMoore]

Alexandr Litvinenko knew Mr. Putin quite well. He tried to expose him for the thug that he is. He wrote books, helped make a movie and did most of the research to prove that Putin and the KGB(FSB) are behind most of the terrorism in the world and specifically al-Qaeda, naming al Zawahiri the fellow traveler that we see on video these days.

So don't think for a minute that Putin and the Chi-Coms aren't out to get us. Litvinenko was murdered shortly after exposing the KGB plan to destablize the USA with a terrorist nuke followed by a multiple strike from Russia.

[sure_fine]

[mkjessup]

Alexandr Litvinenko knew Mr. Putin quite well. He tried to expose him for the thug that he is. He wrote books, helped make a movie and did most of the research to prove that Putin and the KGB(FSB) are behind most of the terrorism in the world and specifically al-Qaeda, naming al Zawahiri the fellow traveler that we see on video these days. So don't think for a minute that Putin and the Chi-Coms aren't out to get us. Litvinenko was murdered shortly after exposing the KGB plan to destablize the USA with a terrorist nuke followed by a multiple strike from Russia.

Oh I don't doubt their intentions, not at all. You can take the Putin out of the Communist empire, but you can't take the Communist out of the Putin and the rest of his comrades.

And as for the ChiComs?

They are the ONE major reason we should keep a surplus of nuclear warheads on hand. It will take megatons to deal with their masses.

[bannie]

Yikes!
My parents sold the farm with the fall-out shelter on it!

[Wiz]

This time, a cold war against neo-fascist Russia and neo-fascist China.

[LibertyRocks]

Busy day today... another ping for interesting info out of Russia. It seems they've got a nifty new weapon...

"A little over a week ago, Vladimir Putin tested a weapon deadlier than anything developed by the Soviet Union. A missile launched from a submarine in the White Sea entered the stratosphere and returned precisely on target 3,800 miles away in the Russian Far East — the other side of the world. Such tests are meant to send messages. The target could just have easily been Tehran, Los Angeles or London. It signalled that Russia means business. After a hiatus of two decades, the arms race is back. ...The Russian military is once again treating Nato as the glavny protivnik, the primary enemy, and drawing up plans for a nuclear war. And Putin’s explicit aim is to challenge, and then counter, America’s world dominance. ."

All of these little things are adding up in my head, and the sum total is NOT good... Putin's Youth Groups, a new weapon, pulling out of the arms treaty -- and that's just in today's news alone!

Don't forget the anti-American rhetoric, or his meetings with Chavez, or his refusal to help fight in the WOT, and his friendship with Iran, and putting together that China/Russia/Iran organization in news yesterday.

I sure hope our military officials are paying attention and are on top of this one....

[LibertyRocks]

I have to say thank you, for your posting of these articles about Putin’s and Russia’s activities. This news is extremely important. I sure hope people are paying attention — things don’t look good at all, IMHO.

[Calpernia]

bump

[Calpernia]

bttt

[flash2368]

Seems we just never learn. One would think by now we would understand what makes the really weirdly wired gray matter between Russian ears work. I am an expat living in one of the FSU republics for the past 3 years. The Russians are just plain paranoid about everything not to mention that they are without doubt the “pushiest” people I have ever seen in my life. Far as I am concerned for some reason (think Dwight Eisenhower and his speech about the military-industrial complex) we seem to want to provoke the Russians. It is the height of insanity for us to put missles in Eastern Europe and anyone who has any sense of the Russian mentality (or lack thereof) knows it. Regardless of how well intentioned we are the Russians are just plain Paranoid..always have been and always will be. Everyone in our government knew EXACTLY the response that would come out of Russia and it is such a stupid plan that it has to be PLANNED STUDIPITY.

[pissant]

We have one running that would slap Russia nad China down hard. His name is Duncan Hunter.

[sodpoodle]

“”””This time, a cold war against neo-fascist Russia and neo-fascist China.””””

And a hot war on every burner with the islamofascists!

All bent on destroying our lives, our beliefs and our free economy. Thanks to the liberal brainwashing and welfare state, we are psychologically and financially unprepared.

[nw_arizona_granny]

I sure hope our military officials are paying attention and are on top of this one...<<<

The danger is that half of them may be members of the communist party.

I never forget that half of America voted for Gore and look who was elected in the last election.

Take a good look at the terrorists who are fighting today, there are as many communist groups as there is al-qaeda.

My wee opinion, of course.

[VxH]

>>The Cold War never really ended...

I figure we’re about half way through five-year-plan number four since the wall came down and they started playing possum. The influx of Western Cashola has enabled them to retool their military industrial complex. Numerous Soviet”ex”patriots are now inside the USA working within our national infrastructure.

Ivan is in better shape than before.

But don’t tell that to the Regan worshipers.

[dr_who_2]

Putin aspires to be a king of thieves.

[Thunder90]

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from this list, please FReepmail me!!!

[Thunder90]

Commies are naturally paranoid.

[Thunder90]

Remember, for what Russia says it has, it produces a lot more.

[Thunder90]

Putin has said that the Russian military and militaries of the CIS can (and should) fly the Soviet flag.

[M. Espinola]

Evil Empire - Phase II

[Halgr]

I’m beginning to think that Nyquist has been right all along....Russia set us and the west up for a fall....

[LibertyRocks]

I agree with you... The communist threat was far from over when the Berlin wall fell. Most people believed the old dangers to be gone when that happened, and we forget about the insidiousness of their plans. You are right that many in our government are ‘closet’ communists.

What’s even scarier is that people like Hillary and other members of the Democrat party are ‘openly’ socialist. One only needs to read the reaction to Chávez at DU to understand that these people are the ‘new breed’ of socialists and they are EVERYWHERE! Simply look at the protests of the ‘anti-war’ crowd. Most are organized by communist organizations and they’ve got our younger generations duped into thinking that socialism is the ‘savior’ of all those who are suffering — even when it’s due to their own irresponsibility.

What these ‘useful idiots’ don’t understand is that the ‘socialism’ they are fighting for opens the door to dictatorship in a heartbeat... They use the word socialism, but in reality it is communism — the ‘people’ are nowhere in the equation with these politicians, it’s ALL government control.

I could go on and on, but I know that most on this forum understand what I’m talking about... It’s a scary world we live in nowadays with threats coming from many places.

[LibertyRocks]

I happen to agree with you that it’s a little strange for us to tempt them with the plan to put missiles in Poland... Instead we should, IMHO, be helping Poland create their OWN defenses as our ally — not be the ones running it. Russia couldn’t say very much if it was Poland doing the work — they have every right to protect their sovereignty given the history in that nation...

Then again, perhaps our government realizes what Putin is up to and wants to push the inevitable showdown up so that Russia and the others (China, Venezuela, Iran) do not have time to prepare as much as they could if it’s on their timetable???

I don’t know, but I sure don’t like these games that any of the dictators or other diplomats are playing...

[nw_arizona_granny]

You are correct, except that there are so many who do not understand that the protests on the streets of America, or any place in the world, show the protesters with a ‘raised-clenched’ fist.........

As does hilary, pelosi and several other Americans, all the way back to the young kerry and his jane fonda crowd.

The muslim protesters always show the clenched fist signal.

[Thunder90]

Many Democrats like Putin, Jintao, and even Ahmadajiniad..

[Thunder90]

Did you know that Putin has said that he wants to fund US antiwar movements?

[Thunder90]

It is more like Fascism with a Communist flavor.

[LibertyRocks]

I didn’t know Putin had said that (about funding the anti-war movement). I have to say it doesn’t surprise me a bit though seeing as most of the anti-war protest groups are in reality Communist organizations (like A.N.S.W.E.R.).

[Thunder90]

I remember it being posted here a few months ago.

[M. Espinola]

The current Russian dictator is being fully supporting by a former Russian dictator.

Quitting arms treaty justified: Gorbachev