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'Green' Lawns Spur Neighborhood Wars
Wall Street Journal ^ | secret apparently | Gwendolyn Bounds

Posted on 07/13/2007 8:48:32 PM PDT by Lorianne

Finally the grass is greener on my side of the fence.

I've spent the past year converting my lawn to organic care. After some early setbacks, my lawn looks pretty great, and the only herbicide I've used is an all-natural corn substance that's safe enough for my dog to eat.

The same scene is playing out in yards around the country -- but it's not a peaceful transition. As the organic lawn movement grows, so are tensions in some communities. The latest front is over whether lawn-care methods are the horticultural equivalent of secondhand smoke: a choice that affects the whole community. Neighborhood activists argue that using pesticides on one lawn exposes everyone nearby to the chemicals, including kids and pets.

Enthusiasts are trying to shame their neighbors into joining them with pro-organic lawn signs, prompting some residents to apply their chemicals covertly. Homeowners who want to stick with pesticides say how they groom their lawns is their own business. Even spouses are facing off over which comes first -- eliminating chemicals or creating a dazzling no-fuss lawn. The lawn-care industry, meanwhile, is walking a tightrope, hoping to profit from organics without turning against their traditional products.

In Wisconsin, the village of Whitefish Bay has become a microcosm of the new turf wars. Intent on switching the community over to an organic approach, a citizens' group is hanging tags on residents' doors urging them to lay off pesticides and posting "All Living Creatures Welcome" signs in their own yards.

"It's really dicey, and some people are receptive and some are hostile," says Sandy Hellman, age 37, a member of the Healthy Communities Project. "I look at it as the secondhand-smoke issue. Kids run back and forth between the yards and windows are open all the time."

(Excerpt) Read more at realestatejournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: grasses; lawncare; lawns; plantgrowth; suburbs

1 posted on 07/13/2007 8:48:33 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
"All Living Creatures Welcome"

Until they get fleas or lice.

2 posted on 07/13/2007 8:50:47 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Lorianne

The day someone tries to tell me what to do with my own property is the day that someone gets a fat lip.


3 posted on 07/13/2007 8:51:44 PM PDT by TheZMan (Texas is no place for pansy-ass liberals. Ya'll move back to California er Mexico er somethin')
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To: Lorianne
Enthusiasts are trying to shame their neighbors into joining them with pro-organic lawn signs, Typical lefties. Always acting like tyrants. Sticking their noses in everybody else's business. Time to chop their noses off. Figuratively of course.
4 posted on 07/13/2007 8:53:47 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: Lorianne
Use cow manure on your lawn if you want to go ‘au natural’.

Your down wind neighbors won’t be too happy though...

5 posted on 07/13/2007 8:54:07 PM PDT by joonbug
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To: glorgau
"All Living Creatures Welcome" Until they get fleas or lice.

Or Bed bugs. I have to say, I do wish them on Liberals...
6 posted on 07/13/2007 8:55:22 PM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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To: glorgau
If I had a lawn in such a neighborhood I would be tempted to hang a sign saying...

"This Lawn Kept Green With DDT"

7 posted on 07/13/2007 8:55:39 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Lorianne

Hate to be the little old man but, don’t like my chemicals? Get off my lawn!


8 posted on 07/13/2007 8:56:10 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Lorianne
The man at the end of my block has a FABULOUS lawn--the envy of the entire block! He just swears by 15-15-15 fertilizer once every month. I tried it and it works!

Don't turn us in to anyone, shhhhh!

9 posted on 07/13/2007 8:57:32 PM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: Lorianne
Yeah, all living creatures welcome. I like creatures. But thousands of Japanese Beetles were consuming my Princeton elm like locusts.

I worked hard to plant that tree. I don't want it to be eaten. I sprayed it down with Triazicide, problem solved. Let them eat some other plant.

And the dogs and children are all healthy.

10 posted on 07/13/2007 8:57:58 PM PDT by Sender (Be subtle! Be subtle! And use your squirrels for every kind of business.)
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To: glorgau
"All Living Creatures Welcome"

Until they get fleas or lice.

Until??? Most of these wackos probably already have fleas or lice or worse.

11 posted on 07/13/2007 9:01:17 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: Danae

This is how it started with smoking, its for the chilren


12 posted on 07/13/2007 9:03:15 PM PDT by italianquaker ("blue dog democrats", that dog don't hunt)
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To: Lorianne
With Libs, it's always the same crap. They want to do something that they consider to be "good" or "healthy", but then decide that EVERYONE ELSE has to do it as well.

Friggin' nazis.

13 posted on 07/13/2007 9:07:26 PM PDT by SIDENET (GOONEY GOOGOO!!!)
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To: Lorianne

the Organic lawns here in alabama are real easy to spot -— they are the really nice green lawns dotted with the two foot high mounds of dirt full of fire ants.<P.
meanwhile my lawn is nice and green, weed and bug free.


14 posted on 07/13/2007 9:14:46 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: TheZMan

If I had a greenie living next to me I’d plant thistles and dandylions, add a few ponds to breed moskitoes. Then I’d raise barn swallows to eat those Moskitoes and dive crap on his car, all in the name of going back to natural order of course...


15 posted on 07/13/2007 9:18:16 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

If they have any vegetation over 4 foot tall in the back yard the best advice I can give is honeysuckle and poison ivy. Every tree in my backyard was covered up with that crap and practically dead when I moved in. Thank God for RoundUp! >8)


16 posted on 07/13/2007 9:25:05 PM PDT by TheZMan (Texas is no place for pansy-ass liberals. Ya'll move back to California er Mexico er somethin')
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To: joonbug
"Use cow manure on your lawn if you want to go ‘au natural’. Your down wind neighbors won’t be too happy though...

Why not pig crap? smells even better. Easier to apply the liquid stuff too. I'd have way to much fun if a greenie lived next door... My danylions would bloom the biggest, fullest white clouds of seeds, and my thistles would have white billows of cotton like seed pods as well. All edible plants of course. Nobody can deny me my home grown salad...

17 posted on 07/13/2007 9:25:30 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: italianquaker
"This is how it started with smoking, its for the chilren"

Until it comes to smoking dope, which is just as bad as smoking cigarettes as it contains all the same toxins as tobacco smoke minus nicotine of course.

Then these same loons march up and down to legalize smoking pot, and giving their kids brain damage from second hand pot smoke. (as well as cancer and the same stuff which is claimed for tobbacco smoke)

18 posted on 07/13/2007 9:30:02 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TheZMan

I use 2,4D a lot. It’s tried tested and true, plus safe (no matter what greenie lunatics try to tell you) Roundup is part of the arsenal as well,(and completely safe) but 2,4-d leaves the lawn green.
Also it’s better to alternate between the two for broad leaf control to prevent resistance. There are a few 2,4-D variants as well, plus it’s cheaper than roundup. But if you want to kill everything and start a new lawn or keep a garden black for a season, roundup is the way to go.


19 posted on 07/13/2007 9:41:45 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Please don’t derail this into a marijuana argument.


20 posted on 07/13/2007 9:43:19 PM PDT by John Will
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To: Lorianne
The latest front is over whether lawn-care methods are the horticultural equivalent of secondhand smoke: a choice that affects the whole community.

If this is what folks are worrying about now, either a) life is pretty damned good in these here United States, or b) we're doomed.

21 posted on 07/13/2007 9:57:25 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Hey! Must be a devil between us)
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To: NordP

That sounds good but does it control the bugs?


22 posted on 07/13/2007 10:07:42 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: NordP

How much do you put down?


23 posted on 07/13/2007 10:26:49 PM PDT by LouD
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To: Nathan Zachary

Just came off the thread about the Iranians capturing western secret agent squirrels and fell into this one.

Do you think that possibly some of these people have too much time on their hands?

Really now, seems like someone could claim second-hand contamination from almost anything these days.

“Pardon me, did I just see you exhale in my direction? If so, I would appreciate it if you would keep your excess carbon dioxide to yourself.”

Every time that you move - your being is contaminating everthing around it in both a particulate and an atomic particle/energy mode. You’re shedding you filth throughout the universe.

Guilt, guilt; you’re upsetting some pristine balance that has never existed in the first place.

Time I started thinkin’ ‘bout checkin’ out. Life’s gettin’ to damn weird.


24 posted on 07/13/2007 10:31:09 PM PDT by .44 Special (Ta Muid Buarch)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“Until it comes to smoking dope, which is just as bad as smoking cigarettes as it contains all the same toxins as tobacco smoke minus nicotine of course.”

Not true.

Studies have shown that THC can inhibit carcinogens in mice, and the report suggests it may have the same protective effect against the carcinogens found in smoke in humans.


25 posted on 07/13/2007 10:49:36 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Lorianne
Homeowners who want to stick with pesticides say how they groom their lawns is their own business.

Of course they say it - if the pesticide used is legal, it's absolutely no one else's business. If some sanctimonious neighbor chooses to go organic on his property, whatever. But anyone who thinks they can tell me what to use on my lawn and bushes is insane.
26 posted on 07/13/2007 11:18:00 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Lorianne
Great. Now we have a "lawn taliban"...
27 posted on 07/14/2007 4:51:16 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Lorianne

I don’t do anything to mine but cut it. Really natural


28 posted on 07/14/2007 5:10:49 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: joonbug
Use cow manure on your lawn if you want to go ‘au natural’.

I've used cow manure compost on my lawn for the past few years, and aerate it on a regular basis. All my neighbors ask what I do to keep it so green and lush. The only fertilizer I use is Lady Bug.

Lady Bug brand.


29 posted on 07/14/2007 6:57:48 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Stop the invasion. Secure the borders now.)
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To: John Will
Why not? The story’s about grass, ain’t it?
30 posted on 07/14/2007 7:02:24 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Lorianne
LOL!

I was forced by a medical condition to explore the 'organic' side of life, so this article as some interesting points.

Pesticides, solvents and personal care products with 'anti-bacterials' are all basically the same chemicals- Aromatic hydrocarbons that result from coal tar refinement. These chemicals have been around since 1846, and became produced in abundance for gasoline production with the advent of the automobile. It would be logical to assume they DO run off into the water supply as the lawns are watered and we bathe.

These are the most effective chemicals for pesticides. Organic products work if used regularly, but (so far) in my experience, are not effective enough to eradicate an infestation.

While I applaud these people for doing what they think is right for themselves, they should be summarily frog-marched off someone else's property for trying to shame their neighbors into going organic too.

In our society, this also creates a conundrum; at what point does the individual of society damage the collective?

The smokers screamed about this concept from the start as society (with the backing of government) forced them into the shadows, and warned it would lead to more government control/taxation of our lives....(*fat tax*, anyone?).

If you can't get government to stay out of your body, you shouldn't be surprised when some nanny-stater starts using it to regulate your lawn.

31 posted on 07/14/2007 7:28:17 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ Government can make NO law contrary to the Law that made the government ~)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Studies have shown that THC can inhibit carcinogens in mice, and the report suggests it may have the same protective effect against the carcinogens found in smoke in humans.

I'd like to see those studies. This is from the NIDA Website -

"In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(11). It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form--levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells(12). Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco."

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

32 posted on 07/14/2007 7:39:13 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse

That just makes an argument to make magic brownies instead of smoking marijuana.


33 posted on 07/14/2007 8:26:30 AM PDT by John Will
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To: K4Harty
I don't really have bugs...just a few Dandelions.

The healthier the grass, the less room there is for other things.

I also bought one of those "Grandpa's Weeder" things on QVC. It's made like one of the weeders of the olden days. You push this metal claw down into the ground and off onto this other metal bar...out comes the weed. Very clever of the 'ol farmers!

34 posted on 07/14/2007 9:26:29 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: LouD

A nice layer—not too much— and evenly distributed by one of those hand dispensers (they are green plastic and have a turn handle—you can get them at Home Depot or Lowes)—you know.


35 posted on 07/14/2007 9:28:26 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: Lorianne
America defeated the forces of evil in bloody fighting across the globe, and faced down the grim nuclear threat eyeball to eyeball with the Soviet empire, all so the heirs to freedom could come to this.

Neighborhood activists argue that using pesticides on one lawn exposes everyone nearby to the chemicals, including kids and pets.

Pardon me while I quietly barf on their organic shrubs.

36 posted on 07/14/2007 9:35:08 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: joonbug

Use cow manure on your lawn if you want to go ‘au natural’.
Your down wind neighbors won’t be too happy though...”

Pig manure is even more fun. Really fragrant.....


37 posted on 07/14/2007 9:51:04 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: commish

I have had an organic Alabama lawn all summer. Because of the drought, my lawn has been dormant most of the year and I haven’t done ANYTHING to it. No water, no fertilizer, no mowing, no nothing. I can’t afford to run sprinklers all of the time, so why fight a losing battle to keep my lawn green like the yard freaks. Now that it has started raining, my yard is coming out again like usual, and now I am starting to use my normal method of keeping a lush green lawn, and that is don’t cut it so short. I still don’t water or fertilize my yard, I just cut it a little longer than everyone else. If I get too many weeds, I will spot spray them, but otherwise I leave it alone.


38 posted on 07/14/2007 10:00:09 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: NordP

Thanks for the info. My lawn stays green (in season) but the bugs suck. I have a 14 month old and a championship bred pug that I don’t want to be around the chemicals. Most of the “organic” products I use either are limited in their effectiveness or wash away with the rain, which seems to be every other day.


39 posted on 07/14/2007 11:37:59 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: John Will

LOL!


40 posted on 07/14/2007 7:47:52 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: joonbug

If its stink you are going for pig beats cow any day.

Also its great for clearing out stuffed sinuses too. No need for drugs to do that. One wiff will do you.


41 posted on 07/15/2007 8:00:23 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: John Will

But this is a thread on growing grass isn’t it ?

;-)


42 posted on 07/15/2007 8:02:22 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Lorianne
Enthusiasts are trying to shame their neighbors into joining them with pro-organic lawn signs.

When it comes to preaching to quit smoking, there's nothin' worse than an EX-smoker.

43 posted on 07/15/2007 8:04:17 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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