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Science Museums Adapt in Struggle against Creationist Revisionism
Scientific American ^ | July 12, 2007 | Elizabeth Landau

Posted on 07/14/2007 10:33:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Madonna and Bon Jovi are no match for Hawaiian flies when it comes to karaoke hits at the University of Nebraska State Museum in Lincoln. In a popular exhibit activity, visitors attempt to mimic the unique courtship calls of different species of Hawaiian Drosophila, a group of 800 different flies that may have evolved from a single species.

Fly karaoke is part of "Explore Evolution," a permanent exhibit currently at Nebraska and five other museums in the Midwest and Southwest...that explores evolutionary concepts in new ways. Such an activity is a far cry from the traditional way science museums have presented evolution, which usually included charts called phylogenies depicting ancestral relationships or a static set of fossils arranged chronologically. "Explore Evolution'' has those, too—and then some, because museum curators came to realize that they needed better ways to counter growing attacks on their integrity.

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Under pressure from these kinds of groups, the Kansas State Board of Education in 2005 approved a curriculum that allowed the public schools to include completely unfounded challenges to the theory of evolution.

In an effort to make their case to the public, creationists raised $26 million in private donations to build the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., which opened in late May. The institution presents the biblical history of the universe. Visitors learn that biblically, dinosaurs are best explained as creatures that roamed Earth with humans. In its first month of existence, the museum drew over 49,000 visitors, according to its Web site.

"Explore Evolution," funded by a $2.8 million grant from the National Science Foundation, is one of many recent efforts by science museums to counter such resistance to evolution...

(Excerpt) Read more at sciam.com ...


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"Ye shall know them by their fruit flies"
1 posted on 07/14/2007 10:33:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; betty boop; metmom; editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ...

2 posted on 07/14/2007 10:37:08 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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In an effort to make their case to the public, creationists raised $26 million in private donations to build the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., which opened in late May. The institution presents the biblical history of the universe. Visitors learn that biblically, dinosaurs are best explained as creatures that roamed Earth with humans. In its first month of existence, the museum drew over 49,000 visitors, according to its Web site.

And those visitors left the museum more ignorant of science than when they entered.

Yeah, that'll help this country compete worldwide. What a joke!

3 posted on 07/14/2007 10:41:05 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

==Yeah, that’ll help this country compete worldwide. What a joke!

I agree, not only is the Church of Darwin grasping as straws, it’s just plain bad science.


4 posted on 07/14/2007 10:48:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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More from the article:

[Tattersall] denounced the Creation Museum as "a waste of human talent" and energy to promote a bogus idea. "I do not see that anybody's religious beliefs are threatened by evolution, which is simply the only plausible thesis we have for explaining what we see in nature today," he says.

Waste of money too.
5 posted on 07/14/2007 10:49:13 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
"In an effort to make their case to the public, creationists raised $26 million in private donations to build the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg,"

Think of all the actual research that they could have conducted with that. Instead, true to form, they start with the conclusion.
6 posted on 07/14/2007 10:56:27 AM PDT by ndt
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To: Coyoteman

==Waste of money too.

49,000 visitors since June at $20 a pop is hardly a waste of money. Talk about return on investment! LOL


7 posted on 07/14/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

The THEORY of evolution is the biggest non-scientific debacle next to global warming. Nothing in the natural world tends to order, to more complexity. Second law of thermodynamics says that all tends toward disorder—that entropy is constantly increasing. Evolution flat-out contradicts science!


8 posted on 07/14/2007 10:58:54 AM PDT by DocCincy
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To: ndt

==Instead, true to form, they start with the conclusion.

That’s about the only thing Creationists and the Church of Darwin have in common.


9 posted on 07/14/2007 10:59:32 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
"That’s about the only thing Creationists and the Church of Darwin have in common."

That's your second "I know you are but what am I" response in less than 9 posts. Have you given up an actually trying to make a point?
10 posted on 07/14/2007 11:02:27 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

==Have you given up an actually trying to make a point?

I made a valid point, but it was lost on you. Here’s a quote to help you put flesh on those bones:

“The theory of evolution (is) a theory universally accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible.” (D.M.S. Watson, “Adaptation,” Nature, Vol. 123 [sic Vol. 124] (1929), p. 233).


11 posted on 07/14/2007 11:07:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DocCincy
Second law of thermodynamics says that all tends toward disorder—that entropy is constantly increasing. Evolution flat-out contradicts science!

If you don't know enough science to realize that the second law of thermodynamics does not prohibit evolution, you really should remove "Doc" from your screen name.

Here is some good information from: Index to Creationist Claims:


12 posted on 07/14/2007 11:10:46 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: DocCincy; Coyoteman

The following are responses from creationists re: the Talk.Origins’ index on the Second Law of Thermodynamics:

http://www.creationwiki.net/index.php?title=Index_to_Creationist_Claims#CF:_Physics_and_Mathematics


13 posted on 07/14/2007 11:16:47 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

“Yeah, that’ll help this country compete worldwide. What a joke!”

I bet the Darwinian-urge to non-sequtier is more damaging to the economy than believing in the bible.

I’m a computer programmer... can you please tell me how my view of life’s origins contributes to my computing skills?

In fact , because I’m a programmer and I know if i type one single character wrong, my software won’t function... yet i’m expected to believe that something as complicated as the biochemical software that is DNA sprang up spontaneously from nowhere.. that is like asking for something like Windows Vista to have naturally evolved.

What’s more complicated.. DNA or Microsoft code?


14 posted on 07/14/2007 11:16:56 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: GodGunsGuts
"I made a valid point, but it was lost on you."

Generally a valid point would have some grounding in reality. In your case you chose to ignore the billions of dollars that have been spent in research in numerous fields that substantiate the ToE.

Now compare that to the research produced and published by YECists OECists and IDiots combined for a grand total of...?

"The theory of evolution (is) a theory universally..."

A seventy year old quote? A quote from before 95% of the evidence available today event existed? That is your argument?

Also true to form your quote is out of context. Lets look at another snippet of that article.

"The only great generalization which has so far come from zoological studies is that of evolution….

Evolution itself is accepted by zoologists not because it has been observed to occur or is supported by logically coherent arguments, but because it does fit all the facts of taxonomy, of palæontology, and geographical distribution, and because no alternative explanation is credible.

Whilst the fact of evolution is accepted by every biologist, the mode in which it has occurred and the mechanism by which it has been brought about are still disputable…."

15 posted on 07/14/2007 11:17:00 AM PDT by ndt
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To: pacelvi
"What’s more complicated.. DNA or Microsoft code?"

I think the more important question is which contains more junk left over from previous versions, and that is a close call.
16 posted on 07/14/2007 11:20:49 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

Well I dont see any fish fins on me or wings.. so what are you talking about?


17 posted on 07/14/2007 11:22:35 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Coyoteman

Coyoteman!

I’ll finish our other thread, promise!

Here’s a list of how evolution and the Bible are in contradiction:

Bible: God is the creator of all things. (Genesis 1)

Evolution: Natural chance processes can account for the existence of all things.

Bible: World created as is in six literal days. (Genesis 1)

Evolution: World evolved over billions of years.

Bible: Creation is completed. (Genesis 2:3)

Evolution: Creative processes continuing.

Bible: Oceans before land. (Genesis 1:2)

Evolution: Land before oceans.

Bible: First life on land. (Genesis 1:11)

Evolution: Life began in the oceans.

Bible: First life was land plants. (Genesis 1:11)

Evolution: Marine organisms evolved first.

Bible: Earth before sun and stars. (Genesis 1:14-19)

Evolution: Sun and stars before earth.

Bible: Fruit trees before fish. (Genesis 1:11,20,21)

Evolution: Fish before fruit trees.

Bible: All stars made on fourth day. (Genesis 1:16)

Evolution: Stars evolved at various times.

Bible: Birds and fish created on the fifth day. (Genesis 1:20-21)

Evolution: Fish evolved hundreds of millions of years before birds.

Bible: Birds before insects. (Genesis 1:20-31, Leviticus 11)

Evolution: Insects before birds.

Bible: Whales before reptiles. (Genesis 1:20-31)

Evolution: Reptiles before whales.

Bible: Birds before reptiles. (Genesis 1:20-31)

Evolution: Reptiles before birds.

Bible: Light before the sun. (Genesis 1:3-9)

Evolution: Sun before any light.

Bible: Plants before the sun. (Genesis 1:11-19)

Evolution: Sun before any plants.

Bible: Abundance and variety of marine life all at once. (Genesis 1:20)

Evolution: Marine life gradually developed from a primitive organic soup.

Bible: Man’s body from the dust of the earth. (Genesis 2:7)

Evolution: Man and monkey have a common ancestor.

Bible: Man exercised dominion over all organisms. (Genesis 1:28)

Evolution: Many organisms extinct before man evolved.

Bible: Man originally a vegetarian. (Genesis 1:29)

Evolution: Man originally a meat-eater.

Bible: Fixed and distinct kinds of life (Genesis 1:11,12,21,24,25)

Evolution: All life is in a continual state of change.

Bible: Death caused by Eve and Adam eating the forbidden fruit. (Genesis 2:17)

Evolution: Death existed long before the evolution of man.


18 posted on 07/14/2007 11:22:38 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: pacelvi
I’m a computer programmer... can you please tell me how my view of life’s origins contributes to my computing skills?

You better stick with computer programming.

The theory of evolution has nothing to do with life's origins, only how genomes have changed since life began.

19 posted on 07/14/2007 11:23:31 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
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20 posted on 07/14/2007 11:26:05 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: ROTB
Your long list of areas where science and the bible are in conflict is interesting, but I don't see your purpose.

Are you trying to say that the bible is right in all of these cases, or are you admitting that it is often wrong?

21 posted on 07/14/2007 11:28:01 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

“The theory of evolution has nothing to do with life’s origins, only how genomes have changed since life began.”

LOL.. So evolutionists believe God created life on earth?

Why? The Bible says death entered this world through Adam’s sin... meaning before Adam,no death. No death, no fossils.


22 posted on 07/14/2007 11:28:20 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: pacelvi
Sorry, I had to get the joke in first :)

"I’m a computer programmer... can you please tell me how my view of life’s origins contributes to my computing skills?"

First, the origin of life is not the ToE. Second. I'm also a computer programmer and due to the nature of some of my past projects (bioinfomatics) an understanding of the ToE was critical. So it depends on what you do specifically.

"In fact , because I’m a programmer and I know if i type one single character wrong, my software won’t function."

Would that be the case if you wrote in a language that only had 4 characters and 64 words all of which only contained 3 letters? Almost any error you could make would end up producing a valid word.

"yet i’m expected to believe that something as complicated as the biochemical software that is DNA sprang up spontaneously from nowhere"

Nobody says spontaneously, it "sprang up" from previous versions of similar "software". WARNING: we am in danger of using a poor analogy to the point of just being wrong.
23 posted on 07/14/2007 11:28:29 AM PDT by ndt
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To: GodGunsGuts

Way too much time and energy has been spent on this argument.
The two schools of thought are not as incompatible as many on both sides think.


24 posted on 07/14/2007 11:28:54 AM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: DocCincy

thermodynamics applies to physical systems not biological ones. Life defies thermodynamics, as you pointed out.


25 posted on 07/14/2007 11:30:30 AM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: pacelvi
LOL.. So evolutionists believe God created life on earth?

Many do. Its called theistic evolution.


Why? The Bible says death entered this world through Adam’s sin... meaning before Adam,no death. No death, no fossils.

Many believe that the bible is wrong and that science is correct in these areas.

26 posted on 07/14/2007 11:32:48 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I didn’t know science involved itself in matters of sins and salvation. interesting. so it is a priesthood after all.


27 posted on 07/14/2007 11:34:06 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why are people so against science? These folks afraid of science make all conservatives look bad. Bunch of zealots.


28 posted on 07/14/2007 11:34:12 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: aliquando

The Earth is not a closed system as we constantly receive energy from the Sun. It is something the creationists always forget.


29 posted on 07/14/2007 11:35:12 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: pacelvi

“Why? The Bible says death entered this world through Adam’s sin... meaning before Adam,no death. No death, no fossils.”

Read one book and your mental midget.... you should take up not reading.


30 posted on 07/14/2007 11:35:34 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: pacelvi
I didn’t know science involved itself in matters of sins and salvation. interesting. so it is a priesthood after all.

Nice try at being a troll.

Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?

Go back to my comment and try again.

31 posted on 07/14/2007 11:36:16 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: pacelvi
"Well I dont see any fish fins on me or wings.. so what are you talking about?"

You do have an organ for digesting cellulose despite the fact you don't have the bacteria to utilize it. You most likely have more teeth then jaw to put them. You have a tail, a really tiny one but a tail none the less, you even have the muscles to wag it. You have a third eyelid that just sits in the corner of your eye and does nothing. You have nipples even if you are a guy. You have hair that stands on end even though you (hopefully) don't have enough hair to matter. You have a little tiny uterus hanging off the end of your prostrate (if your a man). You even have the genes to produce vitamin C but they are broken.
32 posted on 07/14/2007 11:36:50 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

Then let’s fast-forward through time...How’s this for starting with the conclusion?:

“In 2005 online magazine ‘Edge The World Question Centre’ posed the following question to a number of scientific intellectuals: ‘What do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it?’ Dawkins revealingly answered: ‘I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection.’”

—Richard Dawkins, Chair for the Public Understanding of Science (read: Minister of Darwinist Propoganda) at Oxford University

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Williams_GodDelusionReview_02012007.pdf


33 posted on 07/14/2007 11:38:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Porterville

wow. you’re an arrogant ass.

I’ve also read these books. Which books have you read, sanctimonious one?

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/books.html

The War of Ideas: Jihadism against Democracy

Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East 1776 to Present

While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within

Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America

Infidel

Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror

The West’s Last Chance: Will We Win the Clash of Civilizations?

The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

Londonistan

Inside the Jihad: My Life With Al Qaeda: A Spy’s Story

The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Islam (and the Crusades)

Why I am Not a Muslim

America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It

The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion


34 posted on 07/14/2007 11:38:51 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Coyoteman

“Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?”

You’re asking me that in between yours and others’ slings and arrows? What hypocrites.


35 posted on 07/14/2007 11:39:53 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: pacelvi

Not just the title Barbara... acturally read the book.... the dust jacket can only teach you so much.


36 posted on 07/14/2007 11:39:56 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"Dawkins revealingly answered: ‘I believe that all life, all intelligence, all creativity and all ‘design’ anywhere in the universe, is the direct or indirect product of Darwinian natural selection"

1) Dawkins quote is not the ToE

2) Science does not deal in proof in the first place. This is not a scientific statement nor was it intended to be a scientific statement. It was a question of peoples opinions.
37 posted on 07/14/2007 11:43:30 AM PDT by ndt
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To: pacelvi
“Do you want to have a serious conversation or not?”

You’re asking me that in between yours and others’ slings and arrows? What hypocrites.

I'm responsible only for what I post.

Catch you later.

38 posted on 07/14/2007 11:44:22 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Porterville

lol

you “science” guys sure are spiteful angry liliputians.


39 posted on 07/14/2007 11:44:36 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Coyoteman

The purpose is to illustrate that evolution and the Bible are in conflict, to the dismay of confused Christians or well-meaning atheists.


40 posted on 07/14/2007 11:44:47 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: ROTB
The purpose is to illustrate that evolution and the Bible are in conflict, to the dismay of confused Christians or well-meaning atheists.

OK, I understand what you were saying now. Thanks for the clarification.

41 posted on 07/14/2007 11:46:20 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: pacelvi

“you “science” guys sure are spiteful angry liliputians.”

Quick test... what book is the “liliputians” in reference to?

A. The Bible
B. The New Testemant
C. Hercules and his magic ride
D. None of the Above


42 posted on 07/14/2007 11:48:07 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: ndt

[[Nobody says spontaneously, it “sprang up” from previous versions of similar “software”. ]]

And so on and so forth- Ad infinitum, eternal like, almost God-ish in nature, superceeding the laws of nature. Right.


43 posted on 07/14/2007 11:50:21 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: DocCincy
“The THEORY of evolution is the biggest non-scientific debacle next to global warming. Nothing in the natural world tends to order, to more complexity. Second law of thermodynamics says that all tends toward disorder—that entropy is constantly increasing. Evolution flat-out contradicts science!”

No it is not. The biggest debacle is that you zealots represent yourselves as conservatives and it is embarrassing to the rest of us. I wish you guys watch more sesame street to begin your education. I know it is late in life for many of you, but I think Big Bird and the Cookie Monster can teach you a lot.

44 posted on 07/14/2007 11:50:34 AM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: Porterville

D

Guliver’s Travels


45 posted on 07/14/2007 11:53:00 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Coyoteman

> OK, I understand what you were saying now. Thanks for the
>clarification.

No problem man. I didn’t make it clear I was addressing that guy who thought evolution and the Bible are compatible.


46 posted on 07/14/2007 11:54:26 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: pacelvi; Coyoteman; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Life obviously evolved to BELIEVE IN GOD..
unless life didn't speciate at all..

Darwin and Dawkins missed that..
Belief in God is a high level evolution of mentality..
Lack of belief in God or not caring is a low level mentality..
Purely logically speaking of course..

47 posted on 07/14/2007 11:55:03 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: CottShop
"Right."

No. Like I said, it's a bad analogy. A better analogy might be able to be made with polymers but that probably would be no easier to understand and hence defeat the purpose of an analogy.
48 posted on 07/14/2007 11:56:18 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt; metmom; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; editor-surveyor; AndyTheBear; Tailgunner Joe; pacelvi; ...

More on the motivations and conclusions of the Darwinist faithful:

“Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”

Provine, William B. [Professor of Biological Sciences, Cornell University], “, “Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life”, Abstract of Will Provine’s 1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address.

“It is no more heretical to say the Universe displays purpose, as Hoyle has done, than to say that it is pointless, as Steven Weinberg has done. Both statements are metaphysical and outside science. Yet it seems that scientists are permitted by their own colleagues to say metaphysical things about lack of purpose and not the reverse. This suggests to me that science, in allowing this metaphysical notion, sees itself as religion and presumably as an atheistic religion (if you can have such a thing).”

Shallis, Michael [Astrophysicist, Oxford University], “In the eye of a storm”, New Scientist, January 19, 1984, pp.42-43.

“I had motive for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. … For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.”

Aldous Huxley: Ends and Means, pp. 270 ff.


49 posted on 07/14/2007 11:57:46 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: pacelvi

One common thread winnows its way through each of the Darwinist’s personalities. Arrogance. It is always in the forefront of any response that questions their closely-held beliefs.

They remind me of limousine-liberals, with their condescending and insulting attitudes of assumed superiority.

Oh, yes. Let us not forget their hypocrisy. What they damn with one side of their faces, they praise with the other side, as long as it fits their particular zealotry.


50 posted on 07/14/2007 12:04:27 PM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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