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General Dynamics delivers first MRAP vehicles designed to deflect blasts from IEDs
General Dynamics ^ | Jul 11, 2007

Posted on 07/15/2007 12:13:56 PM PDT by bnelson44

General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics, has delivered its first Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles to the U.S. Marine Corps from Anniston, Ala., less than 120 days after the company received its first production order for the new product.

The vehicle's unique, V-shaped hull is designed to deflect the force of an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) blast away from the vehicle, keeping soldiers inside safe and alive. General Dynamics and its our partners, Force Protection, Anniston Army Depot and local subcontractors, are engaged in building these vehicles while increasing its combined production capacity to deliver 1000 vehicles per month.

The 80,000-square foot main General Dynamics assembly site for MRAP vehicles will eventually employ 220 new workers in Oxford, Ala. A supporting production site at the Anniston Army Depot will employ 50 new workers. General Dynamics Land Systems currently employs 240 workers at the depot building Fox and Stryker combat vehicles and the Abrams tank gunner's primary sight. Anniston Army Depot will partner with General Dynamics and perform a share of the MRAP work. General Dynamics also contracted with BR Williams to operate a warehouse in Oxford to support the new production operations.

General Dynamics currently employs approximately 700 workers throughout Alabama. These new positions will increase total General Dynamics' employment in the state to nearly 1000. Force Protection is a ballistics research and manufacturing enterprise, specializing in the development and production of highly-reinforced armored personnel carriers.


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KEYWORDS: defensecontractors; generaldynamics; ied; iraq; mrap
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1 posted on 07/15/2007 12:14:01 PM PDT by bnelson44
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WASHINGTON: Delivery delays have spurred the Pentagon to consider ordering up to 20,000 more armored vehicles needed to protect U.S. soldiers from roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hampered by industry production constraints, the Marine Corps may launch a second competitive bid this month for upgraded Mine Resistant Ambush Protected, or MRAP, vehicles, according to a government document.

Production delays have put the Pentagon behind schedule on deployment so the second bid would aim to attract companies that may not have bid on the first go-round.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/13/business/NA-FIN-US-Pentagon-Armored-Vehicles.php


2 posted on 07/15/2007 12:15:44 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Amazing that it’s taken so long to field something better than an up-armored humvee.


3 posted on 07/15/2007 12:20:28 PM PDT by glorgau
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...first MRAP vehicles designed to deflect blasts from IEDs

Can I get one of these for commuting on the D.C. beltway?

4 posted on 07/15/2007 12:22:27 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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5 posted on 07/15/2007 12:24:18 PM PDT by BJungNan
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Super-jeep.

Not only munitions-resistant, but able to ford streams and climb steep terrain.

What they could have done with something like this during the Battle of the Bulge in 1944.

But the technology simply did not exist then.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 12:24:53 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: bnelson44
DefRev First Look: BAE Systems RG33 Series MRAP Vehicles


7 posted on 07/15/2007 12:25:04 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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8 posted on 07/15/2007 12:25:08 PM PDT by BJungNan
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It’s not as simple as just going to the GM showroom, the MRAP’s are a bitch to ship from a logistics standpoint, they are not designed for air transport with what we currently have, they are going to either be shipped via Russian contractor via a Kondor, or by container ship.

I am glad they finally got them however, that is good news indeed.


9 posted on 07/15/2007 12:25:17 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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My fear is they will just build bigger IEDs


10 posted on 07/15/2007 12:27:31 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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11 posted on 07/15/2007 12:28:28 PM PDT by BJungNan
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As someone who fought in Iraq,I still believe the best way to prevent IED attacks is to put a cap into somebody whilst they are in the process of burying them.


12 posted on 07/15/2007 12:29:54 PM PDT by ac-rep
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To: jws3sticks

So what happens when they blow the tires and axel off the thing?


13 posted on 07/15/2007 12:30:07 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

Hmmvs are nothing more than an SUV and it is a disgrace that they have been used as APCs since Somalia or ever again since then anyway. JMHO.


14 posted on 07/15/2007 12:31:02 PM PDT by omega4179 (Are we serious about Islams global war on freedom?)
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To: BJungNan
I was talking to my son, the tanker, about the MRAP and he wasn’t that impressed ;->
15 posted on 07/15/2007 12:34:18 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Photo: A US Marine Corps RG-31 Cougar rests on its front axel after an improvised explosive device detonated under the vehicle near Camp Taqaddum, Iraq, Jan. 6. The IED detonated directly under the vehicle; however, the blast was pushed outward instead of directly straight up due to the vehicle's “V” –shaped undercarriage. Of the five service members in the vehicle, two received concussions and two others received minor burns. (Photo by: Courtesy photo by 8th Engineer Support Battalion)
16 posted on 07/15/2007 12:36:00 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Is that the one?

Found a You Tube of some Vehicles that are Mine Resistant but .....

Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles

17 posted on 07/15/2007 12:37:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (NO BURQAS FOR MY GRANDAUGHTERS!)
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This is the first delivery of General Dynamic’s product. There are lots of others already in service, based largely on the South African’s designs. Good to have more production ramping up but don’t think that this has been completely ignored. I know it’s tempting(and fashionable here) to see everything in as negative a way as possible but it is not always so.
18 posted on 07/15/2007 12:37:52 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("build bridges where you can - but draw lines where you must." -Fred D Thompson)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Those are older vehicles.


19 posted on 07/15/2007 12:40:05 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Uriah_lost

Looks like they also will be asking for more bidders and increase production even more.

Good to see.


20 posted on 07/15/2007 12:41:07 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Just wish these were on hand contemporaneously with the surge. But at least they will be there soon. I hope.


21 posted on 07/15/2007 12:43:17 PM PDT by bajabaja
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Back during WW2 the gov’t would contract out to many different companies to build military vehicle en masse, they should do that again. It’s not like Ford or Chrysler, or even GM couldnt use the extra cash right now. I believe getting uparmored vehicles to the troops is of the highest priority right now, it certainly would lessen the amount of deaths taken on our side, which could lead to a better opinion of the war here at home. Anyways that is all JMO.


22 posted on 07/15/2007 12:43:18 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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The Pentagon has approved the expansion of the MRAP program to over 20,000 vehicles. The US Army plans to increase its fleet of MRAP vehicles from the previously planned 2,300 to 17,700 vehicles. The Marines’s allocation will remain at 3,400 and special operations forces will receive about 300 (170 have already been ordered). This plans will virtually phase out the HMMWV from use in combat patrols and high risk missions. Responding to the urgent requirement, the Army plans to have all 17,700 MRAPs in theater by April 2009. To accomodate this plan all suppliers are expanding their production facilities to speed up deliveries, reaching several hundred vehicles per month by the automn of 2007.

The Defense Department’s Joint Requirements Oversight Council (JROC) endorsed procuring as many MRAPs as industry can provide in fiscal 2008. The top-level panel, which validates military requirements, recommended evaluating the situation in Iraq periodically and adjusting the acquisition plan based on the need. “the department is embarking on an aggressive acquisition strategy to put as many of these armored vehicles into the field as fast as possible,” Bryan Whitman, deputy assistant secretary of defense for public affairs said. Defense Department and military services are reaching out to industry to “incentivize” companies to boost production while reducing the production timetable, Whitman said.

On early July 07 the Pentagon released another batch of orders for armored vehicles, as part of the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) and other armored vehicle programmes. The new orders cover additional orders from Force protection and International Engines and Trucks (IET), for 395 Category I (Cougar) vehicles and 76 Category II vehicles (60 from Force Protection and 16 from International). Further orders for 441 RG-33 based MRAP vehicles were awarded to BAE Systems. Two weeks later (July 13), Stewart & Stevenson Tactical Vehicle Systems, a subsidiary of BAE Systems’ Armor Holdings Inc. received another order for 1170 MRAP vehicles under a second order worth over half a billion US$ ($518 million). Under this contract the company will supply 1,154 4x4 Category I vehicles and 16 Category II (6x6) vehicles to be delivered by February 2008.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0707/news/030707_afv.htm


23 posted on 07/15/2007 12:45:23 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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That looks like what Gates is doing, see my previous post.


24 posted on 07/15/2007 12:45:55 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: jws3sticks
My fear is they will just build bigger IEDs

Of course! It's all part of the dance.

At some point they'll end up needing so much explosives they will shift to other forms of attack, and/or the mine resistant vehicles will be so bulky they are unusable.

25 posted on 07/15/2007 12:48:58 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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Great news. Add this to it and it has been a really good weekend for the good guys. These guys are going to go to Congress and lobby on behalf of the guys in Iraq this week

They are all ex military. All ex vets of Iraq and Afghanistan.1 CPT, 2 LTs, 2 Sergeants and 1 Navy Corpsman

Vets for Freedom

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/default.aspx

Vets for Freedom is a nonpartisan organization established by combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our mission is to educate the American public about the importance of achieving success in these conflicts by applying our first-hand knowledge to issues of American strategy and tactics—namely “the surge” in Iraq. We support policymakers from both sides of the aisle who have stood behind our great generation of American warriors on the battlefield, and who have put long-term national security before short-term partisan political gain.

26 posted on 07/15/2007 12:50:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Ignorance can be cured by education, stupidity is a terminal condition)
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To: ac-rep
As someone who fought in Iraq,I still believe the best way to prevent IED attacks is to put a cap into somebody whilst they are in the process of burying them.

Hercules didn't defeat the Medusa until he struck it at its core.

27 posted on 07/15/2007 12:51:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: omega4179
Hmmvs have a very needed role and are an incredible useful asset at times - With that said to a degree it is BS that more undated MRAP type vehicles (of differing versions) have not been brought into theater at high enough levels (to date).

Great to see General Dynamics turn these out so quickly now that they are part of the process....

Using more Heavy lift air assets, putting down US only MSR roads, and continually going after the IED makers / financiers would have been very helpful starting back in 04 -

But 20/20 hindsight is always easy.

Good to see more of these MRAP types will be headed down range.....Nothing bad about that and we should be glad it's happening....

28 posted on 07/15/2007 12:51:15 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: omega4179

They were never intended/designed to be APC’s. The orignial mission was nothing more than transport/battlefield taxi.


29 posted on 07/15/2007 12:54:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics, has delivered its first Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles to the U.S. Marine Corps from Anniston, Ala., less than 120 days after the company received its first production order for the new product.

General Dynamics has more focus and determination than our government has.

Kudo's to you General Dynamics!

30 posted on 07/15/2007 12:55:41 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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This is Gate’s number one priority. That is why it is getting done. Don’t discount our government so quickly.


31 posted on 07/15/2007 12:58:15 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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Don’t discount our government so quickly.

Don't discount General Dynamic with their efforts toward our defense.

32 posted on 07/15/2007 1:04:18 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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and as soon as one gets destroyed by muliple IEDs, Deomocrp congress critters will decry the waste of money on a useless piece of ‘junk’ and/or hold investigations why it was able to be destroyed in the first place and isn’t invincible to everything including a direct hit by an A-bomb.


33 posted on 07/15/2007 1:05:08 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: jws3sticks; All

THESE SCUM ARE MANUALLY IMPLACEING IED’S BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT TO PLACE BIGGER.

155 MM IS ABOUT THIER LIMIT.

THEY COULD STOCK PILE MORE THOUGH THEY FEAR DETECTION BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS.


34 posted on 07/15/2007 1:12:02 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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If you can catch them. We don’t have the manpower to surveil every major road 24/7. Most are emplaced at night and headlights and the noice of vehicles are a quick tip off for them to take cover until the vehicle or convoy passes.
35 posted on 07/15/2007 1:23:49 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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http://www.blackwaterusa.com/armored/

What happened to this vehicle? Is it still planned for use?


36 posted on 07/15/2007 1:27:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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According to wikipedia, the vehicle shown in these pics on this thread, is called a “Cougar”. Not a buffalo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar_%28vehicle%29


37 posted on 07/15/2007 1:30:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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I don’t know anything about it. GMW has a “grizzly” but it looks different:

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0607/news/240607_grizzly.htm


38 posted on 07/15/2007 1:31:32 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: mamelukesabre

The Buffalo heavily armored EOD vehicle follows the South African monocoque capsule protection concept with US manufactured automotive platform, offering protection from IEDs and up to 45 pound landmine explosion under any wheel and 30 pound mine explosion under the centerline protection. An upgrade package offers protection from Self Forged Fragmentation (SFF) mines. The vehicle is used with US forces in Iraq for route clearing and counter IED activities. Since their deployment to Iraq in 2003 the Cougar and Buffalo vehicles employed with explosive ordnance disposal teams and engineers units have taken about 1,000 IED hits without a loss of life, said Wayne Phillips, a company vice president in charge of Marine Corps programs.

The Buffalo uses steel wheels and disc rollers which allow the vehicle to be driven over and detonate anti-personnel mines without sustaining damage. As a result, unusually large numbers of mines can be neutralized in a short period of time. The vehicle retains all round (including roof) ballistic protection from 7.62mm NATO ball cartridges. This armor is upgradeable to protect against Dragunov AP cartridges. In a recent incident that involved a Buffalo vehicle which ran over an anti-tank mine, the blast tore off a wheel and destroyed an axle on the vehicle. There were no casualties to the crew inside the Buffalo and the vehicle maintained its mobility and drove itself out of the minefield. It was repaired overnight and was back in operation the following day.


Cougar, developed and produced by Force Protection Inc. is a multi-purpose, 12 ton mine protected armored patrol vehicle. The design uses a monocoque, bulletproof and blast-proof capsule fitted with transparent armored glass, which protects the driver and crew from small arms fire, mine blasts and IED. Typical roles for the vehicle are armored, mine protected troop transport for security, stability and peacekeeping missions, protected weapons platform, law enforcement special response vehicle, counter IED an EOD / Range Clearance vehicle. The vehicle can accommodate 10 passengers in a 4x4 configuration and 16 passengers in a 6x6 configuration. Cougar was selected to serve with the US Marine Corps as a Hardened Engineer Vehicle (HEV), to support engineer mine clearing and explosive ordnance disposal teams deployed in Iraq. As of June 2006, there are more than 130 Cougars and Buffalos in Afghanistan and Iraq. Since their deployment to Iraq in 2003 the Cougar and Buffalo vehicles employed with explosive ordnance disposal teams and engineers units have taken about 1,000 IED hits without a loss of life, said Wayne Phillips, a company vice president in charge of Marine Corps programs. The vehicle has proven to be superior to less protected vehicles, such as the up-armored Humvee or armored trucks.

...Cougar is currently the vehicle of choice for the USMC MRAP program.

39 posted on 07/15/2007 1:40:13 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_APC

According to wikipedia, it began production in april of this year.


40 posted on 07/15/2007 1:40:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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Looks like they might be selling them to NGOs

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20070327.aspx


41 posted on 07/15/2007 1:44:50 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RG-31

This looks an awful lot like a couger. I wonder if the south africans invented the concept first.


42 posted on 07/15/2007 1:46:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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The vehicle's unique, V-shaped hull

V shaped hulls are now the standard, rather than being unique.

43 posted on 07/15/2007 1:48:03 PM PDT by PAR35
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I’m afraid the first 37 posters so far have missed the point. From a Democratic standpoint what is this vehicle’s carbon footprint? All well and good to use it to increase the 700,000 Iraqi dead (Cindy Sheehan source on YouTube) by Imperialists protecting big oil, but such heavy fuel guzzlers are destroying the planet.
Robert Kennedy should open congressional hearings immediately to investigate the flat earthers that came up with such a global warming danger.

Amazing. Could it be the fluoride in the water did have an effect after all? SO many people voting Democratic. SO many people believing the surge and the war is lost.

If I had the cash I would buy one and drive it to the grocery store every day with a Dick Cheney ‘08 sticker on the back.

44 posted on 07/15/2007 1:51:59 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: alloysteel
Super-jeep.

No, more the role of the half tracks.

45 posted on 07/15/2007 1:53:47 PM PDT by PAR35
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To be fair, one of the most outspoken advocates of this vehicle is Senator Joe Biden.

But there is an issue. We want 1,000 vehicles a month, but that’s 4,000 tons of steel. The question is, do we have enough industrial capacity?


46 posted on 07/15/2007 2:10:27 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: PAR35
No, more the role of the half tracks.

I agree. My son calls his Hummvee a "truck". I have never thought of it as a truck. However the Cougar is a truck.

47 posted on 07/15/2007 2:12:37 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: mamelukesabre

General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada is teaming with BAE Systems Ground Systems Division, to offer vehicles to the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) program. GDLS Canada will provide the program management and logistic support while South African based BAE Systems Land Systems OMC will manufacture the vehicles in BAE Systems' facilities in York, Pennsylvania. For the MRAP program the team is offering the RG- 31 Mk5, the latest version of the highly successful RG-31 vehicle family, offering significant increase in power and payload while enhancing mine blast resistance and protection against both improvised explosive devices and ballistic threats. General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada is providing vehicles for both Category I and Category II requirements of the MRAP program under this contract.


Force Protection, Inc. and General Dynamics Land Systems are forming a joint venture to offer the Cougar 4x4 and 6x6 armored vehicles for the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle program, a U.S. joint services program being managed by the U.S. Marine Corps. The joint venture was formed to offer Force Protection's Cougar 4x4 and 6x6 armored vehicles as an MRAP solution. The joint venture called Force Dynamics will include an experienced team in program management, systems engineering, production and service support from both Force Protection and General Dynamics. The companies are already cooperating in the fabrication of the armored capsule for the Cougar.


The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force requested 1,169 MRAP vehicles. The program calls for a commercially available off-road and highway capable armor and mine protected vehicle, configured for personnel, cargo and litter transportation. The vehicle should have a payload capacity of 5000 lbs, and will be able to carry 6 – 10 troops. The vehicle will be configured to carry existing gunner protected turrets or remotely controlled weapon stations, enabling the gunner to load, operate and engage targets from fully protected positions. To improve recovery after mine damage, the vehicle will be built of modular components that could break away from the vehicle in the case of a blast. Its energy absorbing seats should be capable of withstanding the accelerative effects of mine blasts.

The armor protection of the vehicle include mine protection and ballistic protection of the full, roof protection from overhead airburst and side protection against fragmentation and blast. The transparent armor windows will have protection level equal to or greater than that of the ballistic armor on the vehicle, and will have built-in gun-ports. RPG protection could also be an option.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0107/news/310107_mrap_jv.htm

48 posted on 07/15/2007 2:18:50 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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49 posted on 07/15/2007 2:54:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: bnelson44
The South Africans built these IED resistant vehicles....35 years ago. Nice to see the rocket scientists and the thousands of Generals and all the paper-shufflers have come up to speed. Everything should be squared away by the time we are ready to leave, whereupon military bureaucracy can resume it’s slumbers.
50 posted on 07/15/2007 2:59:43 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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