Skip to comments.LA Times Writer: Joining Military Not 'A Well-Informed Choice,' But A 'Product of Manipulation'
Posted on 07/15/2007 3:36:47 PM PDT by infoguy
The 21-year-old nephew of Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has enlisted in the Marines, and Lopez isn't happy about it. "Don't become a pawn, I told my nephew," Lopez writes. His column is, "When the reality of Iraq hits home" (Sun., 7/15/07).
Some have argued that without a draft, enlisting in this war is a matter of choice, so what happens, happens.
But that's not necessarily true in the case of National Guard troops who have been called up. And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don't see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation.
Not a "well-informed choice"? A "product of manipulation"? At 21 years old? Am I the only one who think this sounds a tad condescending?
So, why did Lopez's nephew join the Marines? Lopez tells us that he has written from boot camp.
"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage . I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more something important and significant . I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me."
Lopez has a justified worry that his nephew will be deployed to Iraq. Nearly everyone can sympathize with that anxiety. But Lopez claims that President Bush "misled us from the beginning" and "will keep sacrificing lives in a vain and futile attempt to save face." Bush's campaign has been one of "deceit and simplification," says Steve.
"Misled us"? "Deceit"? Ugh. It seems Lopez has bought into the "Bush lied" canard. Being from Los Angeles, Lopez should be well aware of KABC radio host Larry Elder. Lopez needs to take Elder's "'Bush lied, People Died' Challenge." (Scroll down to the lower left of the home page.) It could be that the nephew knows more about the Iraq war than Lopez does.
(P.S. - After reading Lopez's column, I thought of this ... Back in 2005, Californians debated Proposition 73, an initiative that would require minor girls to acquire parental notification before getting an abortion. In an October 2005 column (I found it reprinted here), Lopez talked with a group of high school-aged girls, most of whom were against the initiative. One girl even insisted it was "nobody's business" (Lopez's words) if a 13 or 14 year old had an abortion by herself. Despite misinformation and relativism ruling the discussion, Lopez beamed at the end of the column that he had "much respect" for the girls. Lopez wrote that he hoped his own daughter "will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have." It sounds like these teens have earned more respect from him than his own adult nephew.)
Now that I’m 42 I wish I had joined the military when I was 18 and I’m far wiser than I was when I was 18.
I don’t see that dear uncle has much say in this man’s life.
I joined at 18...now 43...someday I’ll get a job....
I know what you mean ...
I see guys that are my age and are retiring from the military. While they aren’t retiring rich, they are retiring with a check coming in and time to decide what to do with the rest of their lives.
Same here - my biggest regret in life at the age of 50 is that I didn’t serve in the military.
Ah yes, the ill informed repporting of opinions wrongly formed on falseitudes, put forward as the gospel by the urinalists of the LA Slimes.
Yes I am holding back so I don’t get banned.
Our son is in delayed entry program. He goes to Chicago on Nov 4th.
He knows exactly what he is doing and it is a hell of alot more than giving up his job at $18 an hour and leaving a girlfriend behind hoping that she will feel the same when he gets out of bootcamp (Husband and I are secretely hoping she won’t).
This kid is no fool.
Military: Joining LA Times not “informed choice” but “professional suicide.”
Being a liberal columnist for the LASlimes, is a stupid choice also.
Writers-—get used to it—just because someone made a decision YOU may not agree with does NOT mean they have been manipulated or brain washed. God gave everyone free will.
I did sign up for the draft when I was 18. My grandfather was a WWII vet who was proud to take me to do even that little bit.
I don't know why, but I'm completely appalled that this wonderful sentiment from what appears to be a fine young man became fodder for his uncle's column. If I were his nephew, I'd have a hard time speaking to my uncle ever again. But I'm Sicilian so...
Lopez is a cr*p reporter for a cr*p newspaper who, based on his columns, got a cr*p education, and now has cr*p for brains. He has had garbage poured into his head for years. Now he has garbage coming out in his columns.
Did I miss anything?
> And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don’t see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation.
So speaks a War Wimp. He’ll need to hide behind his nephew, who clearly understands what needs to be done and why.
Believing anything you read in the LA times is not “a well-informed choice but a product of manipulation.”
I'm not defending the LA Times, but someone should tell this kid that joining the military does not automatically make him better than everyone else, and he should not look down on the rest of us who made different career choices as dishonorable undisciplined cowards.
I think Mr. Lopez’s newphew heard this speech, it’s about his uncle....
42 years,2 weeks and 2 days ago I met Ssgt Browne, and Sgt Bowser my two senior D.I.s at USMC Recruit Depot San Diego. It was a “life” changing experience that made me a better man for it. HOORAH MARINES, GET SOME.
Me too. There’s lots of things I regret in life, but one of my disappoints and perceived failures is not having joined the military when I had the opportunity. Now I have asthma and they won’t take me (which is BS IMHO).
Hey Stevie Boy, how about letting your nephew speak for himself?
Oh, right — Even if you let him do that, it would simply be the misguided ramblings of a poor, manipulated, brainwashed kid, therefore it would be easily discountable.
His nephew will come out of his military experience a changed man. Not a better man necessarily, but he will have a body of knowledge that is not available to anyone who did not share the experience. Let us contrast two 18-year-olds - one rides a skateboard and the other one stands behind the helm of an aircraft carrier. In the latter's hands rides the life of thousands and the responsibility for millions of dollars of equipment. It changes you. It can't help but.
“Back in 2005, Californians debated Proposition 73, an initiative that would require minor girls to acquire parental notification before getting an abortion. In an October 2005 column (I found it reprinted here), Lopez talked with a group of high school-aged girls, most of whom were against the initiative. One girl even insisted it was “nobody’s business” (Lopez’s words) if a 13 or 14 year old had an abortion by herself. Despite misinformation and relativism ruling the discussion, Lopez beamed at the end of the column that he had “much respect” for the girls. Lopez wrote that he hoped his own daughter “will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have.”
“The 21-year-old nephew of Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has enlisted in the Marines, and Lopez isn’t happy about it..... “And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don’t see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation”
Let’s see now ...Lopz thinks that a 13 or 14 yr old arranging the murder of her helpless, innocent baby is “nobody’s business”, should not be the decision of anyone but the teenager, (especially not an adult relative) Lopez has “much respect” for the young girls and hopes “his own daughter “will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have.”
But when it comes to his own ADULT 21 yr old relative deciding to do something heroic like volunteer to defend his country, that’s not “a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation”
Y’OK where’s the Candid Camera...This is a sick gag, right?
I would rather have a sister working the Midnight shift, cents off, lips division in a Tu Do Street whorehouse than have ANY relative or person even remotely associated with me working for a newspaper, TV network or other news organ(with the accent on organ).
Your Nephew (obviously the one and only straight male in your family of slackers and wankers) is fortunate to get away from the same city you are residing in and join other decent young men not afraid to offer their nation something of themselves for the good fortune of being an American.
The Marines will give him an opportunity to recover his honor which you shred and throw on the crap heap each day you publish your mealy slaggings.
My best to him, and the mirror image of D&D to you. Long may you wave. Until a hardworking Vice Cop nails you for it.
“Not ‘A Well-Informed Choice,’ But A ‘Product of Manipulation’:
For a sec I thought this was a thread about planned parenthood.
Make that ‘registered with the selective service’.
The Godfather thanks you....
Sounds like you went is a couple months earlier than me. I reported to MCRD San Diego August 25, 1965. Might have passed each other’s platoon while there.
Certainly one could argue that, given the massive “enemy within” present in America and the success that these forces have had in causing U.S, military defeat, agreeing the serve is more than a little idealistic.
I just thank God that we have some truly idealistic youth.
And, i pray to God that America’s enemy within is rooted out and destroyed. That is even more important than victory in Iraq.
We are the same age (42) and I don't recall there being any draft in the early 80s!
Thats what I thought you meant!
Memo to self: engage brain, then type.
“This kid is no fool.”
Certainly not. I served two combat tours in Vietnam and would happily do it all over again, even knowing the outcome.
The military experience, in my humble opinion, is the most important educational opportunity that I ever experienced — and I have multiple graduate credentials including a terminal degree.
Subscribing to the L.A. Times is Not A Well-Informed Choice, But A Product of Manipulation.
That's because the girls agree with him and his nephew does not. HE is being manipulated by the Marines but the girls are not being manipulated by their peer group. He has to be kidding.
See? I wouldn’t have made that mistake if I had joined the military. ;~)
LOL! You're welcome, Don!
He didn’t say that. You are being defensive, like a guy who did not try out for football.
Yeah, now Stevie Boy needs to let his nephew write the next column, in his own words, with no coloration or dilution from his uncle. Let’s see what the nephew has to say about Bush’s “deceit and simplification,” “bullying,” etc., and why the nephew is so committed to enlisting, despite Little Stevie Slimeball’s protests.
Wow! Is he Catholic? Would he like to marry my daughter when he gets back from Iraq?
He is 21 years and thus by law is an adult, this writer needs to go and do what Dick Cheney suggested to Pat Leahy.
Any chance of seeing the MSM plug this argument into the abortion issue? j/k
I try not too ...
Steve, I love my aunts and uncles dearly, and they love me dearly as well. But I wouldn’t let them do my thinking for me. Best wishes to you and the kid.
I turned 18 in 1975 and there was no draft OR selective service registration. I went to register and they said “go home.” I regret not signing up, but there was no mechanism at the time. I could have enlisted out of high school, but I got accepted into college...
I don't think that's implied, at all. A young adult might easily say something like "stand above the majority" about embarking on any course in life that he feels is demanding and worthwhile: entering medical school, becoming a missionary, being a police officer, for example.
In 20 or 30 years, I think he would agree that, no matter what career a person is in, he's "above the majority" if he consistently lives with "honor, discipline, and courage."
IMHO The best way to brain wash a liberal is to give him/her an enema.
Steve Lopez: “What I want for my life is to squirm, as all liberals do, far below the majority — but still pontificate to them as if I’m far above. I believe in mud-slinging, easy solutions and cowardice. I wish to be full of myself, to be apart of something important and significant. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me in this endeavor.”