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LA Times Writer: Joining Military Not 'A Well-Informed Choice,' But A 'Product of Manipulation'
NewsBusters.org ^ | 15 July 2007 | Dave Pierre

Posted on 07/15/2007 3:36:47 PM PDT by infoguy

The 21-year-old nephew of Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has enlisted in the Marines, and Lopez isn't happy about it. "Don't become a pawn, I told my nephew," Lopez writes. His column is, "When the reality of Iraq hits home" (Sun., 7/15/07).

Says Lopez:

Some have argued that without a draft, enlisting in this war is a matter of choice, so what happens, happens.

But that's not necessarily true in the case of National Guard troops who have been called up. And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don't see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation.

Not a "well-informed choice"? A "product of manipulation"? At 21 years old? Am I the only one who think this sounds a tad condescending?

So, why did Lopez's nephew join the Marines? Lopez tells us that he has written from boot camp.

"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…. I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more — something important and significant…. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me."

Lopez has a justified worry that his nephew will be deployed to Iraq. Nearly everyone can sympathize with that anxiety. But Lopez claims that President Bush "misled us from the beginning" and "will keep sacrificing lives in a vain and futile attempt to save face." Bush's campaign has been one of "deceit and simplification," says Steve.

"Misled us"? "Deceit"? Ugh. It seems Lopez has bought into the "Bush lied" canard. Being from Los Angeles, Lopez should be well aware of KABC radio host Larry Elder. Lopez needs to take Elder's "'Bush lied, People Died' Challenge." (Scroll down to the lower left of the home page.) It could be that the nephew knows more about the Iraq war than Lopez does.

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(P.S. - After reading Lopez's column, I thought of this ... Back in 2005, Californians debated Proposition 73, an initiative that would require minor girls to acquire parental notification before getting an abortion. In an October 2005 column (I found it reprinted here), Lopez talked with a group of high school-aged girls, most of whom were against the initiative. One girl even insisted it was "nobody's business" (Lopez's words) if a 13 or 14 year old had an abortion by herself. Despite misinformation and relativism ruling the discussion, Lopez beamed at the end of the column that he had "much respect" for the girls. Lopez wrote that he hoped his own daughter "will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have." It sounds like these teens have earned more respect from him than his own adult nephew.)


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bias; iraq; latimes; liberalmedia; losangelestimes; mediabias; msm
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1 posted on 07/15/2007 3:36:50 PM PDT by infoguy
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To: infoguy

Now that I’m 42 I wish I had joined the military when I was 18 and I’m far wiser than I was when I was 18.


2 posted on 07/15/2007 3:38:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: infoguy

I don’t see that dear uncle has much say in this man’s life.


3 posted on 07/15/2007 3:38:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: cripplecreek

I joined at 18...now 43...someday I’ll get a job....


4 posted on 07/15/2007 3:41:06 PM PDT by dakine
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To: cripplecreek

I know what you mean ...


5 posted on 07/15/2007 3:43:54 PM PDT by infoguy (www.frankenlies.com ... www.themediareport.com ...)
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To: dakine

I see guys that are my age and are retiring from the military. While they aren’t retiring rich, they are retiring with a check coming in and time to decide what to do with the rest of their lives.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 3:45:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: cripplecreek

Same here - my biggest regret in life at the age of 50 is that I didn’t serve in the military.


7 posted on 07/15/2007 3:45:45 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Big dog, big dog, bow-wow-wow! We'll crush crime, now, now, now!)
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To: infoguy

Ah yes, the ill informed repporting of opinions wrongly formed on falseitudes, put forward as the gospel by the urinalists of the LA Slimes.

Yes I am holding back so I don’t get banned.


8 posted on 07/15/2007 3:47:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: infoguy

Our son is in delayed entry program. He goes to Chicago on Nov 4th.

He knows exactly what he is doing and it is a hell of alot more than giving up his job at $18 an hour and leaving a girlfriend behind hoping that she will feel the same when he gets out of bootcamp (Husband and I are secretely hoping she won’t).

This kid is no fool.


9 posted on 07/15/2007 3:48:28 PM PDT by submarinerswife (.)
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To: infoguy

Military: Joining LA Times not “informed choice” but “professional suicide.”


10 posted on 07/15/2007 3:48:55 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: infoguy

Being a liberal columnist for the LASlimes, is a stupid choice also.


11 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:07 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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To: infoguy

Writers-—get used to it—just because someone made a decision YOU may not agree with does NOT mean they have been manipulated or brain washed. God gave everyone free will.


12 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:19 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

I did sign up for the draft when I was 18. My grandfather was a WWII vet who was proud to take me to do even that little bit.


13 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: infoguy
"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…. I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more — something important and significant…. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me."

I don't know why, but I'm completely appalled that this wonderful sentiment from what appears to be a fine young man became fodder for his uncle's column. If I were his nephew, I'd have a hard time speaking to my uncle ever again. But I'm Sicilian so...

14 posted on 07/15/2007 3:50:48 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: infoguy
Lopez has it exactly wrong. His nephew sounds like a class-A man who knows who he is, what he stands for, and what he wants to do with his life. It is Uncle Lopez who has chosen a career path based on "misinformation."

Lopez is a cr*p reporter for a cr*p newspaper who, based on his columns, got a cr*p education, and now has cr*p for brains. He has had garbage poured into his head for years. Now he has garbage coming out in his columns.

Did I miss anything?

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Enforce Zina's Laws"

15 posted on 07/15/2007 3:52:57 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: infoguy

> And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don’t see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation.

So speaks a War Wimp. He’ll need to hide behind his nephew, who clearly understands what needs to be done and why.


16 posted on 07/15/2007 3:53:29 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: infoguy

Believing anything you read in the LA times is not “a well-informed choice but a product of manipulation.”


17 posted on 07/15/2007 3:54:33 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: infoguy
"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…

I'm not defending the LA Times, but someone should tell this kid that joining the military does not automatically make him better than everyone else, and he should not look down on the rest of us who made different career choices as dishonorable undisciplined cowards.

18 posted on 07/15/2007 3:56:10 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: infoguy

I think Mr. Lopez’s newphew heard this speech, it’s about his uncle....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1865920/posts


19 posted on 07/15/2007 3:57:43 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Just like against terrorism, in politics you can't be on the defensive all the time!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

42 years,2 weeks and 2 days ago I met Ssgt Browne, and Sgt Bowser my two senior D.I.s at USMC Recruit Depot San Diego. It was a “life” changing experience that made me a better man for it. HOORAH MARINES, GET SOME.


20 posted on 07/15/2007 3:58:05 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: cripplecreek

Me too. There’s lots of things I regret in life, but one of my disappoints and perceived failures is not having joined the military when I had the opportunity. Now I have asthma and they won’t take me (which is BS IMHO).


21 posted on 07/15/2007 3:59:06 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Just like against terrorism, in politics you can't be on the defensive all the time!!!!)
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To: infoguy

Hey Stevie Boy, how about letting your nephew speak for himself?

Oh, right — Even if you let him do that, it would simply be the misguided ramblings of a poor, manipulated, brainwashed kid, therefore it would be easily discountable.

Idiot.


22 posted on 07/15/2007 4:03:26 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: infoguy
Manipulation by whom, I wonder? What is it when a fellow who writes columns for newspapers decries manipulation in someone else's life? Precisely what is his own dedicated to if not to manipulation?

His nephew will come out of his military experience a changed man. Not a better man necessarily, but he will have a body of knowledge that is not available to anyone who did not share the experience. Let us contrast two 18-year-olds - one rides a skateboard and the other one stands behind the helm of an aircraft carrier. In the latter's hands rides the life of thousands and the responsibility for millions of dollars of equipment. It changes you. It can't help but.

23 posted on 07/15/2007 4:07:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: infoguy

“Back in 2005, Californians debated Proposition 73, an initiative that would require minor girls to acquire parental notification before getting an abortion. In an October 2005 column (I found it reprinted here), Lopez talked with a group of high school-aged girls, most of whom were against the initiative. One girl even insisted it was “nobody’s business” (Lopez’s words) if a 13 or 14 year old had an abortion by herself. Despite misinformation and relativism ruling the discussion, Lopez beamed at the end of the column that he had “much respect” for the girls. Lopez wrote that he hoped his own daughter “will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have.”

“The 21-year-old nephew of Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has enlisted in the Marines, and Lopez isn’t happy about it..... “And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don’t see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation”

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let’s see now ...Lopz thinks that a 13 or 14 yr old arranging the murder of her helpless, innocent baby is “nobody’s business”, should not be the decision of anyone but the teenager, (especially not an adult relative) Lopez has “much respect” for the young girls and hopes “his own daughter “will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have.”

But when it comes to his own ADULT 21 yr old relative deciding to do something heroic like volunteer to defend his country, that’s not “a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation”

Y’OK where’s the Candid Camera...This is a sick gag, right?


24 posted on 07/15/2007 4:07:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: infoguy
To: Journalist Steve Lopez

Dear Steve.
I would rather have a sister working the Midnight shift, cents off, lips division in a Tu Do Street whorehouse than have ANY relative or person even remotely associated with me working for a newspaper, TV network or other news organ(with the accent on organ).

Your Nephew (obviously the one and only straight male in your family of slackers and wankers) is fortunate to get away from the same city you are residing in and join other decent young men not afraid to offer their nation something of themselves for the good fortune of being an American.
The Marines will give him an opportunity to recover his honor which you shred and throw on the crap heap each day you publish your mealy slaggings.

My best to him, and the mirror image of D&D to you. Long may you wave. Until a hardworking Vice Cop nails you for it.

25 posted on 07/15/2007 4:08:37 PM PDT by Gideon T. Reader ("Mexico lindo" "It don't look so "Lindo" to me!"... "Just looks like more Texas"-Gorch Bros.)
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To: infoguy

“Not ‘A Well-Informed Choice,’ But A ‘Product of Manipulation’:

whoops.
For a sec I thought this was a thread about planned parenthood.


26 posted on 07/15/2007 4:09:44 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: cripplecreek

Make that ‘registered with the selective service’.


27 posted on 07/15/2007 4:12:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: tsmith130
I don't know why, but I'm completely appalled that this wonderful sentiment from what appears to be a fine young man became fodder for his uncle's column. If I were his nephew, I'd have a hard time speaking to my uncle ever again. But I'm Sicilian so...

The Godfather thanks you....

28 posted on 07/15/2007 4:12:26 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: stumpy

Sounds like you went is a couple months earlier than me. I reported to MCRD San Diego August 25, 1965. Might have passed each other’s platoon while there.


29 posted on 07/15/2007 4:13:34 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: infoguy

Certainly one could argue that, given the massive “enemy within” present in America and the success that these forces have had in causing U.S, military defeat, agreeing the serve is more than a little idealistic.

I just thank God that we have some truly idealistic youth.

And, i pray to God that America’s enemy within is rooted out and destroyed. That is even more important than victory in Iraq.


30 posted on 07/15/2007 4:14:33 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: cripplecreek
I did sign up for the draft when I was 18.

We are the same age (42) and I don't recall there being any draft in the early 80s!

31 posted on 07/15/2007 4:14:38 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: cripplecreek
Make that ‘registered with the selective service’.

Thats what I thought you meant!

32 posted on 07/15/2007 4:16:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: doorgunner69
went is = went in

Memo to self: engage brain, then type.

33 posted on 07/15/2007 4:16:15 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: submarinerswife

“This kid is no fool.”

Certainly not. I served two combat tours in Vietnam and would happily do it all over again, even knowing the outcome.

The military experience, in my humble opinion, is the most important educational opportunity that I ever experienced — and I have multiple graduate credentials including a terminal degree.


34 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:15 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: infoguy

Subscribing to the L.A. Times is “Not ‘A Well-Informed Choice,’ But A ‘Product of Manipulation’.


35 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:29 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Billybob, you have not missed a thing. This is a case of a young man embarrassing the cr*p out of his yellow bellied uncle. Worse yet, the full of cr*ap uncle, who must have a hard time coming up with a column to fill by deadline, has to write a horsesh*t piece like this one!
Regards,

Bat

36 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:44 PM PDT by BatGuano
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To: infoguy
It sounds like these teens have earned more respect from him than his own adult nephew.

That's because the girls agree with him and his nephew does not. HE is being manipulated by the Marines but the girls are not being manipulated by their peer group. He has to be kidding.

37 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:44 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

See? I wouldn’t have made that mistake if I had joined the military. ;~)


38 posted on 07/15/2007 4:17:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Don Corleone
The Godfather thanks you....

LOL! You're welcome, Don!

39 posted on 07/15/2007 4:18:45 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

He didn’t say that. You are being defensive, like a guy who did not try out for football.


40 posted on 07/15/2007 4:19:35 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Don Corleone

Yeah, now Stevie Boy needs to let his nephew write the next column, in his own words, with no coloration or dilution from his uncle. Let’s see what the nephew has to say about Bush’s “deceit and simplification,” “bullying,” etc., and why the nephew is so committed to enlisting, despite Little Stevie Slimeball’s protests.


41 posted on 07/15/2007 4:19:53 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: infoguy
"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…. I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more — something important and significant….

Wow! Is he Catholic? Would he like to marry my daughter when he gets back from Iraq?

42 posted on 07/15/2007 4:21:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: infoguy

He is 21 years and thus by law is an adult, this writer needs to go and do what Dick Cheney suggested to Pat Leahy.


43 posted on 07/15/2007 4:23:41 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: infoguy

Any chance of seeing the MSM plug this argument into the abortion issue? j/k


44 posted on 07/15/2007 4:24:54 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
he should not look down on the rest of us who made different career choices as dishonorable undisciplined cowards

I try not too ...

45 posted on 07/15/2007 4:25:50 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73 ... USS Midway Va-93 Blue Blazers)
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To: infoguy

Steve, I love my aunts and uncles dearly, and they love me dearly as well. But I wouldn’t let them do my thinking for me. Best wishes to you and the kid.


46 posted on 07/15/2007 4:28:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (The Los Angeles Times...where the men are men, and the women used to be. (No! BAD Rich!))
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I turned 18 in 1975 and there was no draft OR selective service registration. I went to register and they said “go home.” I regret not signing up, but there was no mechanism at the time. I could have enlisted out of high school, but I got accepted into college...


47 posted on 07/15/2007 4:29:01 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
not look down on the rest of us who made different career choices

I don't think that's implied, at all. A young adult might easily say something like "stand above the majority" about embarking on any course in life that he feels is demanding and worthwhile: entering medical school, becoming a missionary, being a police officer, for example.

In 20 or 30 years, I think he would agree that, no matter what career a person is in, he's "above the majority" if he consistently lives with "honor, discipline, and courage."

48 posted on 07/15/2007 4:29:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: yldstrk
Writers-—get used to it—just because someone made a decision YOU may not agree with does NOT mean they have been manipulated or brain washed. God gave everyone free will.

IMHO The best way to brain wash a liberal is to give him/her an enema.

49 posted on 07/15/2007 4:34:15 PM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Tax-chick

Steve Lopez: “What I want for my life is to squirm, as all liberals do, far below the majority — but still pontificate to them as if I’m far above. I believe in mud-slinging, easy solutions and cowardice. I wish to be full of myself, to be apart of something important and significant. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me in this endeavor.”


50 posted on 07/15/2007 4:37:54 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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