Democrats Continue to Beat Republicans at the Donor Box (Ron Paul Fourth in GOP)

The New York Times ^ | July 16, 2007 | Michael Cooper and Michael Luo

[Austin Willard Wright]

The only other Republican who managed to raise more than $2 million in the quarter was Representative Ron Paul of Texas, whose antiwar candidacy and whose following on the Internet helped him take in $2.35 million. Nearly half of Mr. Paul’s money came in donations of less than $200; he took in nearly a quarter-million dollars in contributions from his native Texas, as well as $170,000 from California.

Mr. Paul outraised several other well-known Republican candidates. Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas raised $1.4 million; Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, raised $763,000, and Tommy G. Thompson, the former Wisconsin governor and member of the Bush administration, raised $445,000.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Paul is beating Hunter, Huckabee, Brownback, etc.

[Austin Willard Wright]

ping

[jmyrlefuller]

Well, that’s what happens when the media pre-ordains the candidates.

[Wheee The People]

If George Soros would give just a little more, Paul could be in third place.

[chaos_5]

Lets see how Fred does, I think a lot of people have been holding back their donations.

[rockinqsranch]

That is what happens when the Republican Party lets Liberals=R.I.N.O.’s use the “Republican” umbrella to ply their devious trade.

[Mr. Know It All]

Why do people keep saying that George Soros is giving Ron Paul money? Are they just joking? Soros isn’t giving Paul any money.

[Nephi]

Some people are slow to realize that the new media has changed the rules.

[CanaGuy]

These types of articles usually focus on the bottom-line $’s collected. The key question is how many people (i.e., potential voters), made individual contributions to each candidate? I haven’t seen these statistics expressed that way, unless some freeper can help out here. My contention is that Democrats have fewer donations, but larger amounts.
Comments?

[LibertarianInExile]

“If George Soros would give just a little more, Paul could be in third place.”

http://opensecrets.org/indivs/search_hp.asp?txtName=soros%2C+george&NumOfThou=0&txt2008=Y&submit=Go%21

Too bad you’re so easily proven wrong. Go sling your muck in front of someone who’s easily fooled. Try some Rudyiacs or Fredbots, they’ll suck that crap up.

[AmericanInTokyo]

DO>>>NOT>>>>GIVE>>>>DIRECTLY>>>>TO>>>>THE>>>>REPUBLICAN>>>>PARTY!!!

Donate ONLY to individual candidates, be they Republican, or Constitution Party or whatever, who take a strong stand in favor of conservative ideals.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Shame on you.

State your evidence, Whee The People.

I openly challenge you.

[Mr. Know It All]

My contention is that Democrats have fewer donations, but larger amounts.

That's a really interesting question, CanaGuy. I wish I knew the answer. It should be possible to derive the answer from available data. I looked up Soros' donations on opensecrets.org (someone else already posted the link in a previous post).

I'll look into what kind of bulk data download I can get. Maybe I can come up with some data at least based on a sampling of donors.

[I still care]

That was my first thought. Why give money now, my candidate isn’t in the race yet.

[George W. Bush]

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Second-quarter fundraising: Ron Paul vs. other GOP candidates

[George W. Bush]

Paul is beating Hunter, Huckabee, Brownback, etc.

I didn't see Duncan's numbers in the article. I assume it is between T. Thompson's $445,000 and Gilmore's $182,000, given how the NYT listed them in numerical standing.

It seems that if anyone gets kicked out of upcoming debates, it should be the other second-tier candidates, not Ron Paul. Dr. Paul has massive internet support, he has crowds turning out to meet him everywhere and he has very strong fundraising for a supposed second-tier candidate.

[BlackbirdSST]

If George Soros would give just a little more, Paul could be in third place.

Silly troll. Blackbird.

[BlackbirdSST]

It seems that if anyone gets kicked out of upcoming debates, it should be the other second-tier candidates, not Ron Paul. Dr. Paul has massive internet support, he has crowds turning out to meet him everywhere and he has very strong fundraising for a supposed second-tier candidate.

If the checked pants RATpublicans wish to secure a vote FOR Ron Paul (mine), then kick him to the curb. Golf shoes don't hold up well in the wilderness. Blackbird.

[what's up]

Ron Paul is a fruitcake.

[DreamsofPolycarp]

Ron Paul is a fruitcake.Z

Post 19 is for you. as well. Eat up.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Ron Paul revolution ping.

[what's up]

Ron Paul's position on Iraq is just fruity.

Pelosi is fruity on Iraq. And so is Ron Paul.

[Oliver Optic]

It seems that if anyone gets kicked out of upcoming debates, it should be the other second-tier candidates, not Ron Paul.

Absolutely. It would be a travesty at this stage of the campaign to exclude a candidate who is a sitting U.S. congressman and is fourth among all candidates in fundraising.

Paul out-raising Huckabee, Brownback, and Hunter is astonishing.

[M203M4]

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q2/

Check out the Q2 donations spread. Pay particular attention to the donations from US Armed Forces members.

[MinnesotaLibertarian]

It appears to me that military men and women donated to Ron Paul more than any other Republican candidate. But, I forgot, he “doesn’t support the troops”...obviously armchair warriors can speak for the troops better than the troops themselves.

[M203M4]

Maybe Hannity has some theories to clear this up. Probably just a handful of internet loserdopians using telekinesis to trick members of the US Armed Forces to give money to the “GOP’s Rosie”, “the guy Osama bin Laden would vote for”, “an anti-military kook”, and “pacifist liberaltarian”.

;)

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

That is what happens when the Republican Party lets Liberals=R.I.N.O.’s use the “Republican” umbrella to ply their devious trade.

Gimme a break. Paul has more conservatism in his pinky finger than all of the GOP candidates combined.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Why do people keep saying that George Soros is giving Ron Paul money?

Because they hate Paul and like to smear him with lies and trash because they can't debate his record.

[rockinqsranch]

YOU are talking about Ron Paul whom I could care less about, and I am commenting on why the Republicans aren’t taking in the cash.

[Equality 7-2521]

Dr. Paul’s donation totals are even more impressive when one considers that he only accepts donations from individuals and not from corporations or PACs.

[Designer]

"Why do people keep saying that George Soros is giving Ron Paul money? Are they just joking?"

Yes, Mr. Know It All, they are joking.

But then; you knew that.

[Designer]

"Try some Rudyiacs or Fredbots, they’ll suck that crap up."

FYI: WTP is a Fredbot.

[dread78645]

Check out the Q2 donations spread. Pay particular attention to the donations from US Armed Forces members.

Good eye ... I count:

Romney $3,551
Giuliani $1,950
Huckabee $1,750
Brownback $71 (LOL)
McCain $15,700 (war hero)
Paul $22,400

[cva66snipe]

Unless the GOP wakes up real quick this next trip to the wood shed in 2008 will leave them a broken party awaiting a replacement. Many Conservatives from all parties are angry at the two sided Republican Party specifically the Rockefeller wing of it which Rudy, Fred, John, and Mitt, have placed their loyalties. Ron Paul is the lone standout running who dares stand up to them on nearly all issues.

There is not a penny worth of policy or platform difference between the four mentioned above. I do not want four or eight more years of a Rockefeller Republican in office not even on a county level. They had their turn. Not only have they destroyed the GOP but they are doing a pretty good job at helping the Liberal Dems destroy the nation as well.

[George W. Bush]

I found some other total fundraising figures that seem accurate, given what else we've read:

Romney R $34,757,438.80
Giuliani R $33,327,384.28
McCain R $24,531,069.92
Paul R $3,002,817.57
Tancredo R $2,700,756.38
Brownback R $2,695,147.96
Huckabee R $1,274,797.78
Hunter R $1,268,433.76
Thompson R $757,008.04
Gilmore R $348,636.16

Tancredo is surprisingly strong. It seems to me that both he and Ron Paul are leading the second-tier candidates.

[Badeye]

‘Mr. Paul outraised several other well-known Republican candidates. Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas raised $1.4 million; Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, raised $763,000, and Tommy G. Thompson, the former Wisconsin governor and member of the Bush administration, raised $445,000.’

Well known to whom? Perhaps political junkies like those of us here at FR, but among average Americans 99 out of 100 can’t name ANY OF THEM.

Including, btw, Ron Paul.

[Son House]

Let’s hope the voters are more informed than the donors.

[George W. Bush]

BTW, I think Tancredo raised $1 million in the first quarter. So his second-quarter fundraising is comparatively weaker than Ron Paul's. Not sure what, if anything, that means. I think it means that Tancredo has already maxxed out his support (though he is running a good campaign). But Ron Paul might still have a lot of room to grow.

I note the surprising recent polling that a majority of Iowa's Republicans are anti-war, a number that could pay off for Dr. No. It's possible he could pull a strong second out of Iowa, thereby causing many neo-cons to commit hari-kari with dull knives.

[WWTD]

CFR member Soros would never support Paul. He’ll support fellow CFR socialists Clinton or Obama. If he does throw some money at a Republican, it would be CFR Rudy, CFR Romney, CFR McCain, or CFR Fred Thompson. Soros wants a one world government - Ron Paul does not. He has spoken out against the CFR, the UN, and organizations like the World Bank. He is Soros’ worst nightmare.

[ZULU]

How do the second tiers rate in popular support?

[George W. Bush]

FYI: WTP is a Fredbot.

Well in that case, Whee should just love FredThompsonForum.com. LOL!

[George W. Bush]

It varies. All below the margin of error. I don't think early polls mean much. It's just too early.

Also, RP is probably underpolled because you can hardly find a RP supporter who has a landline. So it makes him an unknown quantity but that quantity is almost certainly more than 0%.

[skr]

Are the Paul supporters ignoring the unclassified donations? He only has a little over $1000, whereas Hunter has over $630,000 in that category. We really don’t know the breakdown unless everyone lists their employer.

Spin is pointless, misleading and not worthy of conservatives.

[cva66snipe]

BTW, I think Tancredo raised $1 million in the first quarter. So his second-quarter fundraising is comparatively weaker than Ron Paul's. Not sure what, if anything, that means. I think it means that Tancredo has already maxxed out his support (though he is running a good campaign). But Ron Paul might still have a lot of room to grow

Tancredo's funds may taper off now that the Immigration bill was stopped. He needed to make himself stronger and more visible on other issues as well like Ron Paul has.

I note the surprising recent polling that a majority of Iowa's Republicans are anti-war, a number that could pay off for Dr. No. It's possible he could pull a strong second out of Iowa, thereby causing many neo-cons to commit hari-kari with dull knives.

The term anti-war is not a good description of persons having issues with the war in Iraq IMO. I question our mission and think we were wrong to go there without a formal congressional declaration of war. I also agree with a lot of Ron Paul's assessments as to how our problems in the Middle East began. But I'm not anti-war though. As a matter of fact most supporting Bush's Iraq policy would likely be quite unsettled about what I think war should be. That is why I think it should be either a protective measure after coming under attack or an act of last resort. It can't be said 9/11 is the reason for the war in Iraq when a sizable number of the hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia and other nations. None I can remember were from Iraq. BTW I also looked at some old history last night where Yemen was quite hostile to us in the 1980's as well.

I would say if the United States came under direct attack from any nation Ron Paul as president would respond in a manner the attackers would regret. It would not be a post Korea type of military fight but an all out offensive is my bet. That is the only way to do it. Anything less than that agenda for war I'm against.

[George W. Bush]

Tancredo's funds may taper off now that the Immigration bill was stopped. He needed to make himself stronger and more visible on other issues as well like Ron Paul has.

Still, the issue is big enough if enough people care.

I respect Duncan's fencing record but, as an overall conservative, both Tancredo and Paul come much closer for me. Of course, Duncan is a congressman for pork-laden Kali and I don't think you can stay in office there without being a porker so I try to discount his voting for all the earmarks last year (including the Bridge To Nowhere).

The term anti-war is not a good description of persons having issues with the war in Iraq IMO.

I was giving a verbatim quote from Russert yesterday who was pointing it out on MTP. If that's true, it can change the race's early dynamics considerably, making an opening for Ron Paul in Iowa. And his small-government record can play well in NH too, seeing as how Buchanan took NH in '96.

RP is still a longshot. But not impossible. And he can have a tremendous influence on the race and the party's future. Candidates like Tancredo and Paul are as much issues candidates as they are presidential candidates. They care enough about their core issues that they're willing to run for president to bring those issues before the public and force the presidential candidates to discuss them and commit to a position on them. They, along with Hunter, are very civic-minded, very dedicated to their core policy positions.

Still, if Duncan drops out, I'll miss him. He has a blunt no-nonsense way of dealing with uppity libs like Wolfie Blitzer that is pretty heartwarming for any conservative.

[George W. Bush]

We really don’t know the breakdown unless everyone lists their employer.

The most conservative candidates tend to attract the self-employed or small-business owners. This shouldn't surprise you. FReepers are more often self-employed or business owners than the American average, I think.

[Abcdefg]

"CFR Rudy, CFR Romney, CFR McCain, or CFR Fred Thompson"

Is it just a coincidence that the "top tier" candidates are CFR?

[jimfree]

Lets see how Fred does, I think a lot of people have been holding back their donations.

The pubbies have been holding back en masse. The limit is the limit. If we give it early in the campaign or in the middle or later it is still the limit. That limit is per candidate per cycle. Some of us also have a limit per checkbook. I have supported Mitt Romney but am holding back because I might want to give a greater portion of my checkbook limit to Fred Thompson. Fred already has $100 of mine. That might be $1000 by the end of the year if he declares. I will also donate more to the RNC when it begins to return to the fold.