Skip to comments.story of WMD found in iraq by the finder
Posted on 07/16/2007 4:07:21 PM PDT by jyro
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The link goes to a post on a bulletin board -
I'm only OSHA HAZWOPER 40 hour trained, and that definitely violates standard practice! He's lucky he's not dead, or worse, sickened by some of the nasties out there!
scroll down toe screen , the post is below where it opens
scroll down the screen , the post is below where it opens and has pictures
Yes, I read the post, it was an interesting read.
The majority of democrats will not read past this part.
I like the guy who denies there was anything new, like it didn’t matter that the 155mm shells were specifically mentioned as needing to be accounted for by UNMOVIC. Since nothing “new” was found, Bush lied...
Outstanding post! Thanks. ping;ping
Be sure to click on the link and view the pix Denny posted. Genuine article this one!
Interesting account, in fact my son could have ‘met up’ with him as he was offered a job to search for WMDs around that same time.
Thankfully we talked him out of it.
What has always struck me in the "no WMD" kerfuffle is (outside the WMD that actually were found) there were weapons that Saddam admitted to having that WEREN'T found.
Related to Red Mercury is Samuel Cohen (father of the neutron bomb) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Cohen
The lonely bulls should be able to handle it.
He made up all his car parts to look like WMD!
(except with lots of swear words)
That and some alternative links!
One of the actual replies was..
“I don’t trust anybody who works for halliburton”
Thanks for the links. Interesting commentary on red mercury in wikipedia.
but then we weren't thinking missing WMD's and didn't take nearly enough photos.
I'm pretty sure I know this guy...and what he says here is what was there.
Of course damned freepers didn't want to believe it when it was posted.
FYI. Check out the link. The civvie in there used to work for me.
I made my report on this stuff in Jan when the Army was there and was just told to stay away from it.
I think they knew that they could just let the USMC deal with it when they arrived in March!
What do you think of this?
Read @ home
|Dimethyl sulfate is likely carcinogenic and mutagenic, poisonous, corrosive, environmentally hazardous and volatile (presenting an inhalation hazard). Some consider it a potential chemical weapon. Dimethyl sulfate is absorbed through the skin, mucous membranes, and gastrointestinal tract. Delayed toxicity allows potentially fatal exposures to occur prior to development of any warning symptoms. Protective clothing includes goggles, gloves tested for dimethyl sulfate and a gas mask to prepare against the inhalation hazard in the case of a spill. Concentrated solutions of bases (ammonia, alkalis) can be used to hydrolyze spills and residues on contaminated equipment. The hydrolysis product, monomethyl sulfate, is environmentally hazardous.|
Basically, it's a blistering agent that can cause bad issues just on skin contact or inhalation. In it's state that we found, it was a sticky, syrup-like liquid that could easilt be put in a bomb and exploded over a group of people, sending down dealy rain droplets and stick to everything else it touches.
The next chemical was ethylene dicholride, which also has some industrial uses, like almost any chemical. I just don't see why it would be needed where we found it. It has very serious hazardous consequesnces when inhaled, which would be a effective, cheap way to get rid of a lot of Kurds, err... I mean "bad guys"
Next on the list was some good 'ol chlorine gas... lots of it. The big containers are one ton tanks and we also had several smaller ones. These effects should be self-explanitory.
I had to pose with in that last one
We also found some napalm, training smoke bins, gas masks, chemical exposure kits, and other misc. things.
Another find was a bottle of Red Mercury. Now this was a big deal for me. In order for a nuclear bomb to created fusion, you need fission, which is why nuclear missles are so complex. Back in the peak of the Cold War, the USSR came out with a story that stated they developed a chemical that could create fusion WITHOUT fission, thus creating the capabilites for the possibility of a small, cheap nuclear mega-ton bomb. It was called Red Mercury. Most people say it was just some urban legend that was whipped up by the Soviets to sell some crap on the black market for $200K-$300K per ounce (which they did). No tests have ever proved that this substance actually worked. It was produced on the USSR and Eat Germany, from what I know. It just goes to show what extent Iraq was taking to create something for mass destruction.
My tourist-ass had to pose with this as well...
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The 'red mercury' phantom has wandered the world for almost 30 years. In Russia it appeared in the early 1990s. In the opinion of some experts, if this so-called red mercury was used in the production of armaments, then a weapon of such destructive force would be created that the A-bomb would seem to us a little pink flower against the background of a destroyed planet.
In 1991, everyone in turn began to export it in unlimited quantities from Russia. Society was already prepared for this economic perversion. The 'united and powerful' Soviet Union was already breathing funeral incense, and given an official order to die with the signing of the Belovezhskiy agreement. Belovezh' was preceded the putsch in Moscow, which discredited central authority and returned it to the hands of democratic politicians and the bureaucracy. Political instinct now became the nation's basic instinct. The populace infected itselves with politics, and a 'childhood disease' known as town-hall democracy became epidemic. Specialists in the field of psychiatry speculate that such upheavals often lead to a psychopathic society, and mental health problems in many people. Given these conditions, it is possible to introduce any idea whatsoever into the subconscious of the populace. For example, the concept of a miraculous substance with unique properties and characteristics, such as a density of 20 grams to the cubic centimeter and costing, shall we say, million of dollars per kilogram.
In 1991 the political season consisted of many such noisy actions. Organizers considered townhall meetings to be their work, and the results were first used by shady businessman and officials of all stripes. A sudden change of government, and resulting administrative confusion, made it possible to set up even the most fantastic of projects. Three months after the August democratic victory, the new Russian government was sent a document in which for the first time 'red mercury' was mentioned, and emphasizing the business advantages of dealing with this substance. The spectre of 'red mercury' had begun its ambulation along the corridors of the democratic regime.
Since the beginning of the 1970s, worldwide there have been recorded more than 20 attempted sales of 'red mercury' (i.e., the mercurous oxide), an allegedly unique super-substance with unique properties. Western secret services - including the CIA - found it necessary to study the 'red mercury' problem'. The conclusion which arrived western analysts and experts at: In all known cases the material was a forgery, and it cannot cost this much. Briefly stated, swindle number one hundred and one had been invented.
By 1991, our country had already accumulated significant expertise in the delicate area of trading in nonsense. So, when the first swallows of economic freedom came to the USSR - cooperatives - they acted predominantly as intermediaries. They labored under the motto 'to deal, but not to produce'. Therefore, it is not by chance that a mysterious project called 'red mercury' arose precisely in 1991 in Russia.
We will try to portray the chain of events and advance our version of the course of events.
According to regulatory documents, in 1991, Ural concern 'Promehkologiya' began its important work for our country, even before the final disintegration of the USSR. Company president Sadykov wrote, as if he were swearing an oath: "We (that is, Proehkologiya) have the capability of carrying out the largest programs of strategic significance for Russia, without drawing on the government budget." A strong statement. Noble Sadykov asks nothing from the government and can do everything. By the way, according to Sadykov, his firm intended "to solve ALL of Russia's problems using their own resources." This is a quotation from the document: 'Main goals of the company Promehkologiya', which was also presented to the Russian government in October of 1991. A mighty people live in the Urals. Give them a fulcrum, and they will move all of Russia!
In October of 1991, Proehkologiya stated that it supposedly had at its disposal 250 billion rubles for the exchange into hard currency, and 200 additional billions under accounts receivable for equipment and foodstuffs. There was not this much money in all of Russia! According Russian Central Bank data, all organizations and enterprises in the territory of Russia in October of 1991 had free cash resources in the amount of 134 billion rubles!
Paper, in contrast to mercury, does not turn red. On 'red mercury' itself, Promehkologiya documents thus far have not said a word. But, everything in its own time. Documents were soon sent to President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin and Vice President Aleksandr Rutskoy. The con was now afoot.
Sadykov's proposal as presented in a letter to the president is a document typical of the time. In it, there is everything necessary: generic words about the good of Russia, a description of the firm's immense activity, and references to multi-billion sums. This had to turn the eyes of officials working for the government green, and make their throats dry up. The main thing was to establish contact with the central authority, and to secure an official commission from the president or vice president for examining the firm's proposals. And for this commission, it would always be possible to bargain about the resources and privileges.
This simple, yet effective practise began in the early 1990s. And it worked.
Here is the copy of the document: "To A. V. Rutskoy. Very interested in expanding the work. I ask you to prepare the this for signing. Take this work subsequently under your personal control. B. Yeltsin. 22 October 1991." Promehkologiya had obtained what it wanted. But not yet.
The experts' appraisal of Promehkologiya's proposals were negative. A high-ranking official was finally located who did not believe the fairy tale of the four hundred fifty billion.
Everything which the president of Promehkologiya wrote to the president of Russia turned out to be a bluff. There was no 'immense' activity by the firm, and its financial condition was very modest. Instead of 450 billion rubles, there proved to be only 30 thousand. And government experts confirmed all this. So that would seem to be it, end of the con-game. Curtains. But it wasn't. In reality this was only the beginning of the mysterious 'red mercury' project. In 4 months the President of Russia would sign an order assigning Promehkologiya all rights for the sale and and export of 'red mercury'. In the text of document, however, the name is not used. Apparently, the official who prepared the order did not even believe in the existence of the product.
So, for the first time in Russia, the spectre of 'red mercury' had appeared in the Urals. The Ural regional economic committee proposed to the central government the export of 'red mercury' in the amount of 3 thousand kilograms per year, over the course of 3 years - from 1991 through 1993. Did Ural businessmen doubt that 'red mercury' existed or that it was it possible to prepare? Apparently not, since Yekaterinburg firm Promekologiya was given exclusive right to produce and export this mercury in the amount of 10 tons! Faith is a great thing!
The 1990 export licensing regulation, Summary enumeration of goods, technologies, licenses and scientific and technical information, lists products whose export was forbidden to the capitalist countries, and this material was indicated. 'Red mercurous oxide' was permitted export from the USSR only to socialist countries. Does this mean that 'red mercury' actually existed?
The KGB and MVD of the USSR were forced to study the 'red mercury' problem in 1990. As a result of secret service operational work, an example was even located, but the bottle proved to contain the usual mercury, tinted with something - either with ground-up brick, or some cheap port wine. By 1991, such forgeries would increase, but the buyers and sellers of 'red mercury' would not stop.
Thus, the civilized world once again was worried about a new Russian threat. In this game everything was used: radioactive tablets, the imaginary leakage of radioactive raw materials from our country, and the nonexistent red mercury, all rolled into one by business conmen.
The KGB's studies of 'red mercury' had an effect on Promehkologiya's interests, and so, company president Sadykov wrote a letter to first vice-premier Burbulis, in which said, in particular: "According to competent estimates, up to 80 percent of the PGU KGB officers implicated in the red mercury operation have been now sent to the MBR - the Russian Security Ministry - and they will prevent any investigations into past events. But with regards to red mercury, they cannot be relied upon."
This document is dated April 2nd, 1992. It strongly brushes off the denunciations as political. It was written after Promehkologiya had already obtained a ten-ton quota for 'red mercury' from the President Yeltsin himself.
In 1992, all of Russia broke out into 'mercury fever'. Everyone wanted to sell 'red mercury'. Agreements and contracts were signed, mainly as intermediaries. Commissions were set, as well as licenses and loans. The scientific experts' opinions disturbed very few people. One quotation from a scientist: "I testify that this so-called red mercury, according to the specification which is in circulation, contradicts all known principles of physical chemistry. All analyses of red mercury show it to be a mixture of a number of substances. Academician Buslayev Yuri Alexandrovich. 18 February 1992 ".
The specifications in circulation showed several different formulas for 'red mercury'. But no one paid attention to this trifle.
Until the scandal at the 6th Congress of People's Deputies, one could consider 'red mercury' to be just another swindle. It was simply not possible to attract a criminal investigation, since no product was manufactured or sold. Nonetheless, one criminal case was brought to court.
In 1993 a political connection appeared on the scene of the mysterious project 'KR' - red mercury. A copy of Yeltsin's secret order authorizing the sale of this non-existant material fell into the hands of the press. The regime discredited the document. Now it was possible to speak of squandering a strategic raw material, about exporting, under the guise of this 'red mercury', uranium, plutonium and other strategic materials from. For this very reason the 6th Congress created a special commission to investigate. Aleksandr Gurov headed it.
But there was one additional component to this 'red mercury' con. The myth was now being used by western intelligence services to portray Russia as a country incapable effectively controlling its nuclear raw material.
The media played a role in creation of the myth about 'red mercury'. Publications and programs about this super-substance sold out printings and raised TV ratings through the roof.
In 1995, documents which were assembled by Gurov's commission were published. They testified about the wild incompetence of the regime's internal controls. However, the 'red mercury' affair has in no way reflected on the political careers of these people.
What are the most probable theories that can be advanced about 'red mercury' today?
The first version: A swindle. An immensely shady transaction which allowed many businessmen to pile up big money riding the wave of artificially raised mercury hysteria.
The second version: Under the guise of 'red mercury', couriers - often not suspecting that the load was mortally dangerous - exported valuable rare-earth metals from Russia.
The third version: Operation 'Red Mercury' was developed by extremely clever persons. They understood that, since this substance does not exist, any criminal case brought against the salesmen or the producers would go nowhere. They were not mistaken.
The fourth version: Under cover of transactions in this mythical 'red mercury', 'dirty money' accumulated from narcoties trafficking, for example, could be inserted into privatization. With this money, factories, newspapers, and streamships could be purchased. As we now understand, a shady transacton with red mercury completely justified itself.
And so, the 'red mercury' myth was used by many, from criminals to spies. When the myth was finally exposed, when it was finally squeezed dry, most preferred to forget about it. Still, the 'red mercury' spectre continues to wander Russia.
When and where will the 'red mercury' phantom materialize again? Recall that this con-game followed the privatization of Russian industries. Now there comes another such moment, when new bureaucrats and businessman will join forces with swindlers who wish to buy land, mineral rights, and all the elements of the periodic table. What will they devise this time? And what will the project be called: blue mercury or black uranium? The name is not important, the main thing is that the details for starting a new myth are already worked out. In Russia. At the beginning of the 1990s. In front of our own eyes. And we never even noticed.
Looks like the stuff has been in storage for awhile. Unless the corrosion is due to the contents.
Undoubtedly old stock.
What I can’t believe is that none of us took photos of the mortar tubes there.
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the situation in Iraq in the 1960s and 1970s in which wheat treated with methylmercury as a preservative and intended as seed grain was fed to animals and directly consumed by people. These episodes resulted in neurologic symptoms including paresthesias, loss of physical coordination, difficulty in speech, narrowing of the visual field, hearing impairment, blindness, and death. Children who had been exposed in-utero through their mothers' ingestion were also affected with a range of symptoms including motor difficulties, sensory problems and mental retardation.That makes me wonder.
That is my finding and theory based on the Iraqi documents that I read pertaining to Saddam WMD issue. From 1998-2002 Saddam regime produced a large quantity of Precursors which are the base materials to make WMD but not the final Chemical Weapons itself. They did this for 2 main reason. First the Precursors can be also claimed as for civilian use as almost all these precursors can be used for both civilian industry and chemical weapons programs. Second the precursors have a longer shelf storage time than the final chemical weapon. Saddam regime would have been able to assemble the final Chemical Weapons in matters of few days once they have all the Precursors ready.
In late 2001 to early 2003, Saddam regime buried these Precursors and other equipments require for the Chemical Weapon program in the Western Desert which is known to us as the Anbar Province.
I’ll have my BushBashing Chemist friend look at this.....although he probably won’t get past the word “halliburton.”
Guess what, in 2001 Saddam approve his nuclear scientist to re-use the prohibited nuclear equipment including the Degussa furnaces.
Here is the document that talks about this and which I translated and posted it on FR back in October 24 2006.
Document: Saddam Approved the Re-Use of Nuclear Equipment http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725141/posts
‘The story of Iraq WMD is not over yet, not by any mean.’
But, why hasn’t....isn’t...the Bush admin publicizing this?
I’ve always suspected WMD existed.....and, maybe went to a neighboring country. Seems it would help the President if there was proof of WMD. It would help muzzle the bleeding heart liberals who love to claim the President lied.
A very good post. I saw many pictures of weapons found and I’d even saw a few of barrels but nothing like this. I remember the reports of camouflaged barrels of chemicals found at airbases but interestingly enough no pictures surfaced. Why the Bush administration has been so horrible about dissemination of information. If they had never given up the ground on the WMDs and the justifications for going the war they wouldn’t be facing the kind of poll numbers they are now.
The President is not going to talk about WMD until we find it or find the Precursors that make it. I hope that there is a secret military team that is still hunting for the WMD or its precursors inside Iraq.
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Enough for me. Guilty as charged.
Several year ago there was a barricade incident were the one person in the occupied house claimed to have a variety of weapons. There was a long stand off, then SWAT Teams assaulted the house and blew way everyone inside. A single revolver was found. Law suits flew from every where. The police just played the tapes of the motor mouth inside the house and the cases collapsed. Its the same thing to me. If Saddam said he had WMD's, I see no reason to have to prove it.
In any way, Saddam was not that stupid to put his WMD in known ammunition depots because those are the first places the inspectors will be looking at.
Also the ISG never really worked to find out the more probable approach of Saddam Hussein toward WMD which was not to build the final Chemical Weapons products but rather build the Precursors to make the Chemical weapons as I explained in my earlier post.
Also the ISG heavily relied on Iraqi scientists for information about Iraq WMD. This was a huge mistake to do so. First because Saddam adopted some type of a Manhattan style project from 1998-2002 where people worked on some aspects of the WMD program without knowing what will be the final outcome of the whole project. Also per the ISG own admission in the report, they believe that the Iraqi scientists were not forthcoming because they were more afraid from ex-Baathists to take revenge against them than the American interrogators.
But the stories are credible. Just as the fact that Al Qeada is in Iraq which should trump all WMDs.