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We're in too deep with Islamo-Fascism
Greeley Tribune ^ | 7/17/07 | Bob Boswell

Posted on 07/17/2007 6:38:19 AM PDT by NorCoGOP

A little more than 70 years ago, the most tolerant, safe haven for Jews in all Europe suddenly found itself a totalitarian state. No vast legions had conquered it. In fact, it was a failed artist whose ideas were so crazy the threat simply wasn't believed by polite society. In just a few years, this lunatic nearly conquered all of Europe.

It's often asked, "If only they'd stopped Hitler earlier..." Well "they" didn't. Pacifism and fear caused the world to wait while Hitler grew ever stronger. Leaders diddled while the world was drawn into a war that caused 50 million deaths.

Hitler is not ancient history. Some of you were among the 11,000,000 Americans who had to fight in WWII.

Today we are being fed the same sort of disinformation and apologies for Islamo-Fascism. Shall we diddle now?

The latest video from Imam al Zawahiri (the number two man in al-Qaida) explains his plans in detail... al-Qaida IS leading the insurgency in Iraq. The faithful are not doing well militarily because of those pesky Americans, but fear not. Just listen to the debate in America. The faithful only need to hold on and Allah will convince the infidels to abandon Iraq. Then Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will fall and al Qaida will rule an Islamic caliphate that spans the Middle East.

Don't believe him? The World paid a terrible price for not believing Hitler.

WHEN we abandon Iraq, al-Qaida will be the most organized force in the area. The Iraqi people aren't doing enough today with all of our assistance. They'll fold in the face of a real threat.

Is this the right war? Are we there for the right reasons? Who cares? That's yesterday's debate. George Bush may be the worst President ever, the most stupid leader in history and may even be guilty of impeachable acts. History will decide.

Regardless, Bush won't be president on January 21, 2009. However, we'll still be dealing with Islamo-Fascism. We are in way too deep now.

But we don't wanna be in too deep, so we will abandon Iraq. So what? Well, now you know. Al-Zawahiri just told us that al-Qaida WILL win if we abandon Iraq. They plan on controlling the Middle East and no one will stop them. We will give al-Qaida a country they could never have taken to launch their jihad and the victory they need to assume the leadership position over hundreds of millions of the world's least educated, most superstitious and most desperate people.

Terrorism? It's a given no matter how nice we play or what we capitulate to. This is about their God, not our insensitivity. Welcome to the post 9-11 reality.

We won't automatically win the war against Islamo-Fascism by winning in Iraq. Whether we abandon Iraq or not, this war will be long and costly, but no war is ever "unwinnable." Like Vietnam, someone will win this.

Sometimes history just sneaks up on you. Our grandparents didn't want war with Hitler any more than we want war with Islamo-Fascists, but ignoring evil only allows it to grow stronger. This is the defining issue of our age. The battle is in Iraq and we'd better not lose there now.

So, do we have the will to save our way of life or will we surrender to fascists simply because they are more dedicated? That's the question our grandparents faced and we're still trying to duck.

Bob Boswell is the owner of Western Sizzlin' in Evans. He lives in Greeley.


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1 posted on 07/17/2007 6:38:21 AM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: NorCoGOP

Maybe there is hope, if ordinary folks like Bob get it, and can write so clearly about it.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 6:43:59 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: NorCoGOP

Modern Western culture is smitten with “change the channel” syndrome.


3 posted on 07/17/2007 6:45:42 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (Skip the Moon, go for Mars)
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To: NorCoGOP

Is this the right war? Are we there for the right reasons? Who cares? That’s yesterday’s debate.==

Heh heh:).. Some got US in Iraq by the false pretense. Now they say disregard it. Me think that some cann’t build on false basement.


4 posted on 07/17/2007 6:46:43 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I like the argument of the article, but it doesn’t go far enough. Even the author tries to be politically correct. Islam is the problem, not Islamo-facism. Until Islam is declared a politic movement rather than a religion, and outlawed, we won’t win.


5 posted on 07/17/2007 6:55:21 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: NorCoGOP

This is right on but who will believe it? I just don’t understand how the whole world can be so naive.

Why are there so few of us who understand the consequences of withdrawing our troops from Iraq?


6 posted on 07/17/2007 6:57:18 AM PDT by jch10
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To: NorCoGOP

Islam and Nazism can be compared up to a point.
That point being- there was ONE Hitler, one main madman, and a lot of evil followers along with the German citizens who
allowed and supported their rise.

We now have MILLIONS of Hitlers with Islam. Each willing, and able, to do more killing than Hitler ever ,personally, did.
We also have the ‘good Muslims’ who allow, and support, their rise.
Why are the Muslims who don’t, actively, participate in terror-yet support it- labeled ‘good’? Did anyone dream of using the term ‘good Nazi’ for those who wanted Germany Uber Alles in WW2?

And the most frightening thing is that the world today doesn’t have the guts to oppose one Hitler, much less the millions it now faces.


7 posted on 07/17/2007 7:09:26 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: NorCoGOP
One idea must be remembered when dealing with those on the Left who oppose the war in Iraq: they may not like the war, but most dislike GWB far more.
They see opposition to the war as a means to weaken and destroy his presidency, which they view as illegitimate. They can’t use the economy, which is doing well, so the war is the next best thing.
Whatever their stated motivation, they want power more than the want the war to end.
They want the White House back and they see the war as an issue that they can use to batter they way back into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Of course, they know Saddam was a brutal dictator - even they are not foolish enough to convert him into a Middle East Uncle Ho, whom they admired - but they don’t care.
To get back into power, the Left would make a deal with Lucifer.
And they people of Iraq - and ultimately the Middle East and the world - will have to suffer for the lust for power of a small group of Americans.
8 posted on 07/17/2007 7:11:02 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: aimhigh

I agree with you, but you too do not go far enough. Islam is indeed a religion - a counterfeit religion, energized by “the one who was a murderer from the beginning.”

It really bothers me when I hear President Bush say Islam is a religion of peace. Salaam means peace, Islam means “submit!”


9 posted on 07/17/2007 7:11:29 AM PDT by Overwatcher
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To: Izzy Dunne
"Maybe there is hope, if ordinary folks like Bob get it, and can write so clearly about it."

Regarding Islam, I think most Americans do get it. The curse on us lies in the fact that our elected leaders don't get it, or they float above it all in some sort of elitist immunity. Sure, Bush leads the war in Iraq against islamofacism, and in Afghanistan, but he throws our borders wide open during a war with an enemy whose battle tactics are to infiltrate and cause terror. Our pourous borders represent our weakest spot in the war on terror, and Washington wants to keep them that way. Makes no sense whatsoever to me.

We hear on the one hand that the war in Iraq will keep the fight "over there". Then we read the Homeland Security report that al Quaida will focus its resources on attacking the U.S. While I support the war in Iraq, I never did understand the theory that it keeps al Quaida from coming to America, where the targets are far easier and safer than a direct confrontation with our military. As much as I'd like to see the deportation of illegals begin, I'd far prefer to see the deportation of muslims begin. The illegals want our money and benefits, the muslims want our heads.

10 posted on 07/17/2007 7:14:48 AM PDT by gemma0000 (They obscure the truth by calling it an issue of "immigration"-but it's an issue of LAW ENFORCEMENT.)
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To: NorCoGOP

To pull out is entirely wrong. To stay makes sense. It makes huge sense.

This Iraq was the hub against the west. The spokes are still there relatively unaffected. If the west were to back out, THEN these seventh century cavemen would be feverishly back at work, unimpeded. Then there would be hellfest 2008. Israel would be gone, then europe, basically, the CIVIL g8 nations and then America.

Iran is sitting there sheltering the al quaeda,and they have gotten strong. That nuclear toolbox Iran has been working on? Will pass hands and come to America. And,they will use it.

They are a silly people.

And to put things in perspective. These sandjockeys are striving to work in a technology from 60 years ago. They need to remind themselves of who owns the brains and technologies.

You know, a simple comparison...the nobel prize. Look to see how many times the two competing groups have won...jews? a disproportiant representation..more than a couple hundred vs. all mideasterners @2???? And then they call the prize racist....

Iran still owes big for 1979...
and they have been seeding jihadi discontent for over 30 years,,,but then again its consistent with the 1350 years of its anti christian cult

The world needs to rid itself of this staphococcal infection

And like staph, this islamic infection runs deep.

To leave without administering penicillin is wrong. The gloves have to come off.


11 posted on 07/17/2007 7:21:55 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: gemma0000

“We hear on the one hand that the war in Iraq will keep the fight “over there”.”

I cringe every time I hear that. One attack on home soil would discount that and give the Dems more fodder.


12 posted on 07/17/2007 7:22:26 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: NorCoGOP
But we don't wanna be in too deep, so we will abandon Iraq. So what? Well, now you know. Al-Zawahiri just told us that al-Qaida WILL win if we abandon Iraq. They plan on controlling the Middle East and no one will stop them. We will give al-Qaida a country they could never have taken to launch their jihad and the victory they need to assume the leadership position over hundreds of millions of the world's least educated, most superstitious and most desperate people.

He undermined himself here, failing to observe proper neo-con talking points protocol.

He's admitting that Saddam was not aligned with al-Qaeda, that those two were enemies, that only our invasion has helped al-Qaeda recruiting in Iraq and in the region.

Maybe the Weekly Standard could dispatch Fred Barnes to give him some help and keep the truth from spilling out in public.
13 posted on 07/17/2007 7:23:15 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: gemma0000
I think most Americans do get it. The curse on us lies in the fact that our elected leaders don't get it,

I don't see how those can both be true, at least for very long.

The Pelotians and Reidies don't lie about their contempt for what America is trying to do. It's not like they're fooling anyone.

So the people who elect them know what they're getting.

So I have to believe they're getting what they want.

14 posted on 07/17/2007 7:35:03 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: gemma0000

It doesn’t - it ties up their resouces as they stick to the Iraqi flypaper.


15 posted on 07/17/2007 7:44:34 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: aimhigh

I agree with your premise, islam IS the problem. But I think it is more feasible to declare islam as a religion that is wholly incompatible with representative self-government and openly seditious to our Constitution. We can, legally outlaw this religion in our land, for the aforementioned reasons; we just need a Congress with backbone.


16 posted on 07/17/2007 7:45:14 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: NorCoGOP

Saddam just kind of “hung” with the wrong crowd:

“The British and the American people loudly declared their support for their leaders decision to attack Iraq. It is the duty of Muslims to confront, fight, and kill them.”
Osama bin Laden, December 26, 1998

“Oh sons of Arabs and the Arab Gulf, rebel against the foreigner . . . Take revenge for your dignity, holy places, security, interests, and exalted values.”
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999


17 posted on 07/17/2007 7:46:12 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: himno hero

The socialist left won’t allow that to happen. If the gloves came off, America might actually win....and the socialist left can’t have that. It goes against their socialist world control agenda. What really scares me is the number of ignorant, stupid, unaware, head-in-the-sand people that we have in this country now. People that will support and enable the socialist left to defeat America from within.

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“To leave without administering penicillin is wrong. The gloves have to come off.”


18 posted on 07/17/2007 7:51:10 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: himno hero

The socialist left won’t allow that to happen. If the gloves came off, America might actually win....and the socialist left can’t have that. It goes against their socialist world control agenda. What really scares me is the number of ignorant, stupid, unaware, head-in-the-sand people that we have in this country now. People that will support and enable the socialist left to defeat America from within.

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“To leave without administering penicillin is wrong. The gloves have to come off.”


19 posted on 07/17/2007 7:51:13 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: ClearBlueSky

Nope one big difference is that we bombed the germans into compliance..By the time we were in germany, most of the people were convinced they were done.. Unlike the Muzzies we havent done any really hard damage to convince them... We need another Dresden or Hamburg.. Then we may get through to these savages...


20 posted on 07/17/2007 7:51:57 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: XenaLee

sounds like a screen play

the enemy within


21 posted on 07/17/2007 8:13:45 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: RusIvan

Are you so sure it was a false pretense? Can you prove it? Was the sight of the Twin Towers going up in an inferno and tumbling in a cloud a smoke a chimera?
No one said that Iraq did it. The crux of the matter is that Iraq is the ‘belly of the beast.’


22 posted on 07/17/2007 8:15:33 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (tip o' the hat to my warrior daughter)
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To: himno hero

Unfortunately, it’s not a play. It’s a reality.

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“sounds like a screen play

the enemy within”


23 posted on 07/17/2007 8:41:05 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Izzy Dunne
"So the people who elect them know what they're getting."

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that people today are fairly ignorant when it comes to politics, U.S. and World history, religion, etc. So they are dupes who don't know they are dupes. It's all part of the plan to dumb down Americans so people like Pelosi, Hillary, Reid and the various RINOs can find their way into power on the back of a promised "peace" through being nice to the world, the lure of a 'free' health care system of all, and of spreading the wealth around to everyone. They promise that America will be a Shagrila of peace and prosperity if we only detach ourselves from our "old fashioned" traditional beliefs and values, and vote for them. People really are sheep in need of leadership, and when they are under-educated and brainwashed in government-run schools they will vote for whomever promises them the easiest life.

24 posted on 07/17/2007 9:01:21 AM PDT by gemma0000 (They obscure the truth by calling it an issue of "immigration"-but it's an issue of LAW ENFORCEMENT.)
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To: XenaLee

thats the best part about paperback heros driving the west

most have forgotten WW2, its impact, meaning, significance and relevance to today.

Intertwined in the nazism, Islam drove the slaughter of the zionists, their first shot at the infidels. Today they are alighing themselves for a shot at both, and, its going to be a heavy hit.

Today? we are at war with the same faces we fought in ww2.

Worst part? They already have initiated the war and our guys do not get it,they are still asleep lulled by p/c and a lack of awareness..


25 posted on 07/17/2007 9:17:54 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: ArmyTeach

Was the sight of the Twin Towers going up in an inferno and tumbling in a cloud a smoke a chimera?==

It is not but it wasn’t Saddam who did it. It was Saudies and Egyptians. BTW both are said friends of America.
Saddam they said had build the nuclier device and prepared to use it against West. But.. In reality these all was not true.. So IMO you forget Sddam jut consider how costly is that war. Not even the strong american economy can withstand the waste of almost 1 trln dollars. And it is Iraq the quite weak and lame. Now consider Iran. It is just shudder.


26 posted on 07/17/2007 9:26:18 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: crazydad

I agree wholeheartedly about the bombing. But the enemy that is Islam is not as conveniently isolated as was Nazi Germany.
The ideaology that was Nazism was dealt a fatal blow when its leader and his government was destroyed.
The toxic ideaology that is Islam has produced millions of Hitlers, and no one,central, target that will eliminate them.
My point was that the free world-THEN- did not labor so hard to find the ‘good’ in the Nazi ‘theology’,if you will. If someone identified themselves as a believer in Nazism we considered them the enemy because WHAT THEY BELIEVED WAS!
Yet, here the world is trying so hard to separate Muslims from Islam the way no one would have insisted on separating Nazis from Nazism. In a way Muslims, themselves, refuse to be separated!
The difference now, IMO, is that we have taken in the enemy ideaology as a Trojan horse, and to eliminate it will mean fighting-not the enemy headquartered in a distant country but the enemy next door.
As a society, we may not have the stomach for that. We insist on believing the majority of Muslims are good, because we don’t want to face the immense threat their numbers represent. It’s scary to think Muslims in our daily lives are our enemies, so we reject the idea and so any thought of having to do something about it.

Islam’s first response to those who say it is not a ‘religion of peace’ is to violently attack those who say it.
We’re already self-censoring ourselves in language,and in our culture. How many more concessions will we make, to avoid confrontation, before we have nothing left to concede?


27 posted on 07/17/2007 9:30:27 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: RusIvan

Saddam is dead and gone and never coming back; deal with it, boy.


28 posted on 07/17/2007 10:04:19 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: RusIvan

That is very interesting. No perfidy is beyond these people. But what is your source? If you have this information, it should be common knowledge.


29 posted on 07/17/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (tip o' the hat to my warrior daughter)
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To: RusIvan

Saddam was harboring Al Quaeda terrorists including Zaqawri and Abu Abbas. Saddam was training terrorists including hijacking techniques used on 9-11. Saddam was paying for terrorist attacks against US troops and allies. Saddam had defied the UN for 15 years despite as many ‘resolutions.’ Saddam had created and used WMD for many years, and our troops DID find supplies of WMD ingredients ready to be mixed and used.

Saddam was a prime target for our effort to stop terrorism. What we are fighting now would be 10x worse if Saddam were still in power.

Iraq is a relatively modern, developed and prosperous state, right in the middle of the most volatile region on earth - a region whose one product is essential to every country on Earth whether we like it or not. It is a great base from which to exert influence in that region.

And you think this battle is decimating the US economy? Hah. We have not even had a tax increase, and our stock market is at a record high level.

America has everything it needs to win... but it also has unfortunately a bunch of wimps who want us to lose.

So Mr. Russian Person, THAT is the truth of what is going on - despite what you may read from the lying media. NOW rethink your assumptions and try, try again.


30 posted on 07/17/2007 2:29:36 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: NorCoGOP

The threat is extremely big. The media and other leftists do all they can to hide the truth from a public. Our elected officials play games to make us “feel safe”, while doing nothing to make us be safe. They refuse to profile. They have done nothing about the terror training compound in New York state. They continue to treat Saudi Arabia like good friends.
I’m tired of trying to raise the alarm. When the next attack comes, I hope I’ll be around to say “I told you so”.


31 posted on 07/17/2007 2:44:14 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: NorCoGOP
Bob Boswell is the owner of Western Sizzlin' in Evans

I don't know why that made me LOL, but it did. (He's right, though.)

32 posted on 07/17/2007 2:45:48 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ClearBlueSky
As a society, we may not have the stomach for that. We insist on believing the majority of Muslims are good, because we don’t want to face the immense threat their numbers represent. It’s scary to think Muslims in our daily lives are our enemies, so we reject the idea and so any thought of having to do something about it.

Thats what sort of concerns me long run. If we are too afraid to even say bad things about muslims where a muslim might be able to hear.. At some point as the muslims gradually up and up their violence, their financial clout, their numbers, their threats.. at some point for many people it will probably be easier to take the final step, and join Islam.. rather then fight it. The leftists and democratic party were already trying to cave in and submit when the first shots were fired.

33 posted on 07/17/2007 2:53:19 PM PDT by ran20
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To: Izzy Dunne

Is it too much to hope for the Islamo-Fascists fighting each other? Isn’t that what they are mostly doing in Iraq? And we want to stop them?


34 posted on 07/17/2007 2:59:04 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: RusIvan
If I were you, I’d be more concerned about my country’s backsliding away from Democracy towards totalitarianism and my President’s desire to re-start the cold war rather than standing with us and facing our one, true shared enemy - radical islam.
35 posted on 07/17/2007 3:10:02 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Press 1 for English, press 2 for deport)
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To: RusIvan
It was Saudies and Egyptians. BTW both are said friends of America.

Friends for geopolitical reasons. On the personal level, those egyptians sure love russian tourists :) American tourists? Not so much.

36 posted on 07/17/2007 6:51:29 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: NorCoGOP

BTT


37 posted on 07/17/2007 8:55:21 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Shazolene

And you think this battle is decimating the US economy? Hah. We have not even had a tax increase, and our stock market is at a record high level.==

Not dicimating but doing the significant blood drain. Just imagine what if those huge money were spent on the creation the new hydrogen driven energy technology? Then the fossil fuel will be not needed anymore. And America will not depend on such regimes.

I do not care about Saddam. I just care that the lame war in Iraq is too costly. Accually maybe it is the purpose of terrorists to make war too costly and make the “treauser drain” from America.
I’m sure that if America payed say 1 bln dollars to some general of Saddam circle he would bring the Saddam head on platter. For just 1 bln of dollars. That I call the thoughtful expendure. But when you waste 1 trln dollar tfor just hang up Saddam and few his friends. i call it the waste.


38 posted on 07/18/2007 1:45:47 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

If I were you, I’d be more concerned about my country’s backsliding away from Democracy towards totalitarianism and my President’s desire to re-start the cold war rather than standing with us and facing our one, true shared enemy - radical islam.==

Beleive me or not but I’m certainly sure that the farest goal of Putin to start the new cold war. His the primary purpose is to become rich. That is his truly goal.
If Russia once will become so strong she can allow herself the endevour then she will do it but.. Without no cold war. It is not in Russian style to do any cold wars. Russian style is to do the honest strike on the enemy. Rsusian in it like Americans but far from Europians.
(I honestly beleive that the national phyco of Russians is more relate to Americans then Europians. Just recall that only 2 nations fly space now. Europians could too but do not care much.)

You just mistake Russia for Soviet Union. But you should know that Soviet Union was run not by Russians but Soviets. Those were the bunch of lame old farts. Russia today is run by the young and vigor Russians like Putin who is 50 years old. Those guys will not play cold war like those soviet old farts. They will smack you at face if they will fill offended and “let burn it with the blue flames” as the ancient Russian proverb says. That is thier style.


39 posted on 07/18/2007 2:12:09 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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