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Protesting The Iraq War by Not Paying For It
Westwoodone.com ^ | July 13, 2007 | Dave Ross/Charles Osgood

Posted on 07/17/2007 6:18:52 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

PROTESTING THE IRAQ WAR BY NOT PAYING FOR IT

The Osgood File.

This is Dave Ross. On the CBS Radio Network.

David Gross of San Francisco was tired of seeing his taxes used to pay for the war in Iraq:

"My Conscience was really eating at me." said David Gross, war protestor.

So he stopped paying his income taxes. Legally.

David Gross is a writer of tech manuals who has been resisting taxes since the 2003 invasion of Iraq:

"I couldn't look myself in the mirror anymore. I couldn't stand the idea that my money was going to pay for this," said Gross.

The trouble was that since he made 100,000 a year, he owed plenty of federal tax.

"So I want into my HR department and I said well you know would it be possible for you to cut my pay significantly if that's what it takes. And they hemmed and hawed for a bit. It was a request that they weren't used to getting," said Gross.

They finally said no, for fear the IRS would come sniffing around.

So he quit, went freelance, and deliberately limits his income to $30,000 a year:

"I work maybe four months out of the year. And that's enough to bring in the 30-thousand and the rest of the time, that's my sabbatical." said Gross.

And it turns out 30,000 puts him just under the tax line:

"Now I don't have all of that to spend. Because in order to get under the tax line I have to put some of it into an IRA and some of it into a 401K, some into a health savings account. So I end up with about half of that that I can live on over the course of a year. But that's still enough for me to live very comfortably in San Francisco," said Gross.

And he doesn't even have to camp in a median. He shares a comfortable apartment with his girlfriend.

All of it legal - almost:

"I don't owe any income tax. There's still the self-employment tax." said Gross.

Which he has decided just not to pay:

"I get some boilerplate letters from the IRS every few months," said Gross.

They make nice fire starters.

And he says any war protestor who is truly serious - will do the same thing:

"Not make war protest a hobby or something they do on weekends or do for marches, but actually live their lives a hundred per cent according to their principles. We'll start seeing some change," said Gross.

The Osgood File. This is Dave Ross. On the CBS Radio Network

The Osgood File. July 13, 2007


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: govwatch; socialsecurity; taxes

1 posted on 07/17/2007 6:18:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What a POS! I wish ALL my tax dollars could be earmarked for our troops and their families.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 6:23:44 PM PDT by fishergirl (My warrior, my soldier, my hero - my son. God bless our troops!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well, I would like stop paying for OHSA, EPA, etc. I am tired of seeing my taxes wasted.


3 posted on 07/17/2007 6:25:49 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, the amoral party of what if and whine.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
So I end up with about half of that that I can live on over the course of a year. But that's still enough for me to live very comfortably in San Francisco," said Gross. He says he can live on $15,000 per year in San Francisco? I was wondering how, until I read the next line about living with his girlfriend. What a louse! And his girlfriend is no better for putting up with it. I don't know how he can live on $30,000 and still put into savings! I hope the IRS gets him soon. Save Darfur...abandon Iraq?????
4 posted on 07/17/2007 6:33:03 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

the welfare state is really bothering me. I don’t think I can continue to pay taxes while knowing that lazy, unproductive liberals are living off the taxes I pay. I think I’ll quit paying taxes as well....


5 posted on 07/17/2007 6:35:33 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Fine - tell this bucket of moronity that all HIS taxes went to making banners for government-sponsored homo pride parades.
6 posted on 07/17/2007 6:38:06 PM PDT by decal (Sign over DNC headquarters: Please Check Common Sense And Morals At The Door)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Enjoy jail Mr. Gross.

The IRS will nail your sorry ass. I don't like them, but I will say they are good at getting people - they also seem to enjoy their jobs... a lot.

While in prison, please feel free to discuss your many antiwar views with your cell mates... who are going to rape and beat you until you are no longer a burden on the taxpayers of the USA.

7 posted on 07/17/2007 6:41:17 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Volunteer
Enjoy jail Mr. Gross. The IRS will nail your sorry ass. I don't like them, but I will say they are good at getting people - they also seem to enjoy their jobs... a lot.

For what? If he doesn't make enough money to pay taxes then he doesn't pay taxes.

Only taxes I pay is Social Security. And yes I am completely legal in doing so.

8 posted on 07/17/2007 6:43:55 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Domandred

And before someone pipes up, yes I pay property, sales, and so on taxes.


9 posted on 07/17/2007 6:49:47 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Domandred

“All of it legal - almost:

“I don’t owe any income tax. There’s still the self-employment tax.” said Gross.

Which he has decided just not to pay: “


10 posted on 07/17/2007 6:50:52 PM PDT by james500
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Just where are all the street protests anyway?


11 posted on 07/17/2007 6:58:50 PM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well that’s one way to keep an illegal from undercutting you for a job. LOL


12 posted on 07/17/2007 7:11:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

He understands that all the freeloaders who lived on his dime are now starving, right?


13 posted on 07/17/2007 7:15:20 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: james500

Ah missed that part. Yep I still pay that cause I haven’t figured out a way around it. It ain’t much compared to how much I pay in SS, I get to pay both shares yay :(


14 posted on 07/17/2007 7:20:17 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Let’s see. I don’t like financing, um... pork projects in Massachusetts.

That’s it. I’m a no-pork-projects-in-Massachusetts protestor, dammit! I’m mad as heck and I’m not paying any more taxes, from now on!


15 posted on 07/17/2007 7:30:15 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: decal

“Fine - tell this bucket of moronity that all HIS taxes went to making banners for government-sponsored homo pride parades.”

LOL! Good one. :)


16 posted on 07/18/2007 7:02:49 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: All; Gabz

Don’t beat me up too severely, but this is how I live my life, too. I suggest all Freepers take a look at their bottom line and see what they’re paying in taxes, (hidden and not so hidden) and adjust their lives accordingly.

Many years ago, I got fed up with my tax dollars being wasted on various social programs that I strongly disagree with so I, too, did something about it.

I’m not defending this jerk, but there ARE lots of things you can do to get your taxable income down below the radar, so to speak.

Some of the things we do in our household (two paycheck earning adults, one son in college) are:

*Fully fund IRAs and 401Ks. (We pay ourselves FIRST!)

*Not work overtime unless it cannot be helped. (I have a job that’s very busy from March-July where I can easily work 60-70 hour weeks if I want to. Those extra hours of pay gain me nearly NOTHING, in the additional taxes taken out.)

*Itemize your deductions. Get in the habit of keeping EVERY receipt for every dime you spend. You’d be surprised at all that can be written off as expenses. This is especially important if you pay for your own health insurance. (We do.)

*Start a small home-based business. I firmly believe that everyone has some talents they can exploit for cash, LOL! For me? I sell eggs from my laying hens, and do a small farm market when I have time, selling plants, jellies, raspberries, pumpkins, pesto, freshly-cut herbs, etc. (I had no time this year, but I’ll be better organized next; I had NO idea how time-consuming my new job would be during “garden crunch time.”) I also sell used books on Amazon.com for another income stream. My husband started his own computer repair business two years ago; so far, so good! First year was an $18K LOSS (Yippee!) and the next was a $10K surplus, $5K of which was taxable (Boo!) LOL!

*Be generous. You can donate up to $500 in cash, services, goods or your time to your community or church without a single receipt needed (though, keep ‘em as proof!) I donate books & cash to my library, donate goods to Goodwill and St. Vincent DePaul, etc. It does your soul good, plus it’s a tax deduction many overlook.

*Barter. We have a wide range of friends, all with different skills and we help one another out as needed. We know a carpenter/flooring & windows guy, a plumber, an electrician, a heating & A/C guy, a decent mechanic, etc. We all swap “services” between us, avoiding extra expenses and taxable income. Husband provides computer repairs and I provide bakery, garden veggies, fresh eggs...and I’ve done clothing repairs/alterations for some of they guys. (It’s amazing what someone will do for you once they know you can put in a zipper or sew on a button, LOL!)

*Own a home. Property taxes and home improvements upon sale are terrific deductible expenses. Just don’t buy more home than you need or can afford. And keep every receipt for every nail, can of paint and replaced window!

So, thanks for letting me get on my Soap Box again. Avoiding taxes (legally) is one of my favorite subjects and has been a favorite hobby for years. Our lifestyle doesn’t fit everyone’s idea of ‘The American Dream’ but we will be retired in our mid-fifties with cash in the bank. :)


17 posted on 07/18/2007 7:25:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Have I told you lately you’re my hero!!!!!!!????


18 posted on 07/18/2007 7:52:10 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: meyer

The War on Poverty is a 40 year quagmire which enslaves the American people. I refuse to support this war with my tax dollars !

The Public Education system is a failed system ruining the lives of our children. I refuse to support this failure and further contribute to the ruination of America !

... and on and on ...

It might actually be nice if we had an electronic issue-by-issue voting system where you could watch your cost as a subscriber to the issue fluctuate as people supported or opposed it. Whoever votes for an issue will receive a tax bill based on the cost of that issue divided up by as many people as subscribed to it. Issues without widespread support would show outrageous tax bills for the subscribers, and people would unsubscribe, causing the per-subscriber cost to go up even more.

I think military funding would be pretty safe with plenty of subscribers. Welfare and other programs would have outrageous costs when divided amongst just those people that would subscribe to them.

Taxes a la carte.


19 posted on 07/18/2007 11:12:49 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
He shares a comfortable apartment with his girlfriend.

Sure he does, good money says it's his boyfriend dressed in drag.

20 posted on 07/18/2007 11:17:54 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Gabz

Hey! If I can’t overthrow them, I’m going to cut off the blood supply (money) to the tumor that is Big Government, LOL!

Y’all come! :)


21 posted on 07/18/2007 2:47:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: All

22 posted on 07/18/2007 2:57:15 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

We split expenses 50/50, though I admit he does more housework than I do.


23 posted on 07/18/2007 3:39:04 PM PDT by The Girlfriend
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Yep, over $1T easily cut from that list where the entire line should be stricken.

But that list is deceptive. There is plenty to be cut even in Departments and Agencies I’d keep. There are welfare-type programs littered throughout Departments you’d never expect.


24 posted on 07/18/2007 4:59:13 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: The Girlfriend

Where do you live?


25 posted on 07/19/2007 12:02:55 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

San Francisco.


26 posted on 07/20/2007 2:45:09 PM PDT by The Girlfriend
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To: The Girlfriend

Just for clarification. Are you the girlfriend in this piece? If you are then you are being used. If not, you are still being used. Either way, it’s your life. I wouldn’t put up with it. My guy would be my partner and best friend. And I don’t think that is the way a partner or best friend acts.


27 posted on 07/20/2007 3:09:53 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Yes, I am. I do not understand why you think I am being used. The only reason I can think of is that you think he’s mooching off of me, but he is not. That is why I even replied here—the way his remarks in the interview were edited led to the impression that he was living off of my income, but that is in no way true, and I wanted to make that clear.

As I said, we split expenses 50/50. He pays half of our rent, half of our bills, half of our food expenses, half of our miscellaneous household supplies.

But there’s more to sharing a home than money. He probably does more of the household chores than I do, since he has more time at home. He does almost all of our cooking; he’s a damn fine cook, and he loves to cook for me. Personally, I think I’m the one making out like a bandit here.

If you think I’m being used, I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion. I hope you will pardon me if I respectfully disagree.


28 posted on 07/20/2007 5:00:21 PM PDT by The Girlfriend
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To: The Girlfriend

Thank you for taking the time to reply, and in such a nice way.

You state that when the interview was edited it led to the impression that he was living off my income. Glad you cleared it up. But I’d love to know how he can live on such a small income here in California, while paying for his share of the responsiblities (rent, utilities, food, household, etc.), and saving money.

It is true that there is more to sharing a home than money. However, it can be stated that there is more to being a citizen of a society than just the title. Also, your taxes go not just for the war, but for other programs that I’m sure your boyfriend would be more amiable to. So by not doing his part he doesn’t help society.

Since he dislikes the war, I’d like to know if it is all wars or just this one? Does he know that his taxes could help bring medical aid to Iraqis? That’s one of the services our military does. His taxes could help refurbish and/or build schools. He could help Iraqis and Afghanis get clean water and electricity. Help Iraqis stand up to murderous thugs that are Al Qaeda, like they are doing now. So don’t think that it is all bombs and weapons. It’s rebuilding two countries that were ravished by evil regimes.

Good luck!

Oneamericanvoice
former liberal


29 posted on 07/23/2007 3:00:02 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

He would rather all the funds go towards sex changes.


30 posted on 07/23/2007 3:02:06 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: decal
"Fine - tell this bucket of moronity that all HIS taxes went to making banners for government-sponsored homo pride parades."

It's all about the queers!

31 posted on 07/23/2007 3:10:39 PM PDT by 1035rep
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