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Britain - RAF scrambles to intercept Russian bombers
Times Online (UK) (excerpt) ^ | July 18, 2007 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 07/18/2007 1:16:31 AM PDT by HAL9000

Excerpt -

RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept two Russian strategic bombers heading for British airspace yesterday, as the spirit of the Cold War returned to the North Atlantic once again.

The incident, described as rare by the RAF, served as a telling metaphor for the stand-off between London and Moscow over the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.

While the Kremlin hesitated before responding to Britain’s expulsion of four diplomats, the Russian military engaged in some old-fashioned sabre-rattling.

Two Tu95 “Bear” bombers were dispatched from their base on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle and headed towards British airspace.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: coldwar; kremlin; litvinenko; raf

1 posted on 07/18/2007 1:16:35 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Force them down if they enter British airspace. Make Putin negotiate for the release of the people. (Keep the aircraft).


2 posted on 07/18/2007 1:22:22 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: HAL9000
"In London, Yuri Fedotov, the Russian Ambassador to London, said that Russia would soon respond against Britain and admitted that relations were strained.

“The response will follow. It takes time. We are serious people,” he said. (The Russian Ambassador said)
3 posted on 07/18/2007 1:33:41 AM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: HAL9000

Amazing.

Russia just continues to get more belligerent.

This has to be raising red flags all over Europe and the Pentegon.

I really don’t see how this plays in Russia’s favor, seems really stupid to me.


4 posted on 07/18/2007 1:43:47 AM PDT by DB
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To: HAL9000

“The Russians turned back before they reached British airspace,” an RAF spokesman said.

another piece of no-news news.

russian bears are subhunters and reckon planes - as long as they are in international airspace there’s no news.


5 posted on 07/18/2007 1:46:49 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: SoldierMedic

This is all about the poisoned, Russian spy... but I’m sure that the rooskies also see Gordon Brown as a gutless, panty waist.


6 posted on 07/18/2007 3:05:59 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: HAL9000
Does pu-pu need attention again?
7 posted on 07/18/2007 3:14:10 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: Rummenigge

“another piece of no-news news.”

Seeing as this is “described as rare by the RAF”, and given current events, it at first glance looks like more than a routine sortie. But it’s not worth losing sleep over, I agree.


8 posted on 07/18/2007 3:23:49 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: Rummenigge

Umm the bear can launch nuclear tipped cruise missiles.Like our B-52.


9 posted on 07/18/2007 3:24:54 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: LegendHasIt

Go Russian and blow them out of the sky!

LLS


10 posted on 07/18/2007 3:44:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LegendHasIt

No we need the practice. Shoot them down.


11 posted on 07/18/2007 3:46:48 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: HAL9000

A couple of Bears on a “tweak the lion’s tail mission” guaranteed to raise aggrevation but nothing else.

These are turboprop birds. Huge, slow, ungainly and utterly defenseless to any fighter aircraft manufactured after WWII.

Now if they had done this with a couple of Backfires it might have been a different story.


12 posted on 07/18/2007 4:18:57 AM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS. Now an official Fredhead!)
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To: Ronin

Kind of like the B52..


13 posted on 07/18/2007 4:21:40 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: MARKUSPRIME

LMFAO

That was a master plan - send 2 bears to nuke london. Then sit back and wait for the nuclear end of days.

BTW TA52 had to be carried under the wings.

I guess the very moment some ruskie mechanic gets the order to bolt one of these under the wings of a bear there’s a hundred of pagers going of in every western government.

I really strongly hope we wouldn’t have to wait until a norwegian F16 jokey detected them visualy.


14 posted on 07/18/2007 4:31:55 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Ronin

You recon 950 km/h is slow ?

But I guess they are on the first western radar the moment they roll out of their hangars.

If they don’t use hangars I guess they are always on radar.


15 posted on 07/18/2007 4:34:09 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: DB

The rise of Russia after militant Islam’s rise to infamy is not a coincidence.


16 posted on 07/18/2007 4:36:20 AM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: HAL9000
Putin is leveraging Russia's enormous oil windfall.


BUMP

17 posted on 07/18/2007 5:01:03 AM PDT by capitalist229 (ANDS)
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To: Rummenigge

Speed is relative......gotta compare it to something.

Compared to a plane designed to intercept Bears, the F106 at 2560 km/h, the Bear moved like pond water.


18 posted on 07/18/2007 5:18:01 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: HAL9000

These actions are unnecessary and insane on Russia’s part. If these bombers actually had nukes on board, this could have gone terribly wrong and over what?


19 posted on 07/18/2007 5:21:08 AM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: HAL9000

Keep pressuring the bullies, GB. You have to bully a bully.


20 posted on 07/18/2007 5:23:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

lol yeah - and compared to a proton in a linear accelerator...


21 posted on 07/18/2007 5:24:07 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Ronin

Now if they had done this with a couple of Backfires it might have been a different story.==

The purpose of this exercise was to check the response time of RAF. And in what moment they found tu-95s. If it is the moment when they had unloaded thier cruise missiles then it is good.


22 posted on 07/18/2007 5:24:36 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: yldstrk

and why ?


23 posted on 07/18/2007 5:24:42 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: RusIvan

um it’s 2007 - noone needs to detect a bear.

let’s put it like that:

If the porter of the radar installation in scotland feels an itch in his leg it means that a commander of a russian airbase just thought about drawing a flightplan for a bear.


24 posted on 07/18/2007 5:26:56 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: HAL9000; All

Interesting. Thanks to contributors to this thread.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 5:32:02 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: DB

I think it’s part of a plan to begin to split nations into alliances.

The Soviet mentality is happiest when there are clearly defined groups of “us” and “them.”

Such a setup does not bode well for the future, though, based upon history.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 5:36:13 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: LegendHasIt

They may also be testing Britains resolve now that there is a new P.M. IS he a sissy limp wristed liberal or just a sissy liberal? I think Russia knows it can walk all over the U.K., particularly since G. Brown likes to cut military spending for social spending.


27 posted on 07/18/2007 5:37:02 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: HAL9000
Be sure that many enemies paid attention to how the Iran hostage crisis was handled.

Look around. There are far more powerful and dangerous nations against Britain and the U.S. than are for it. All it takes is a little balls by Putin. A nuke in Iraq,Russian strikes at the U.K., an all out Arab attack on Israel. Oil Embargo by our Arab pals and a Chinese strike at Taiwan and Japan in sync. Nuke in D.C. by terrorist cell. Nuke in South Korea. Its possible, if someone has the balls or is nuts enough to start it, and Putin is nuts enough.

28 posted on 07/18/2007 5:37:30 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Pro-Bush
“Does pu-pu need attention again?”

- In terms of a military threat, Russia is now just a giant Potemkin village that Putin is trying to maintain to save face over the fact that it is no longer a military force to be feared. Without it’s oil reserves, Russia would be just a shell.
I’m convinced that this is the reason the Bush continues to humor Putin over his threats to do this or that in response to Bush’s star war plans. Bush knows that Putin cannot back up these threats and so he just plays along and then goes ahead and does exactly what he wants to.

29 posted on 07/18/2007 5:48:02 AM PDT by finnigan2 (>)
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To: johnny7
This is all about the poisoned, Russian spy... but I’m sure that the rooskies also see Gordon Brown as a gutless, panty waist.

Foreign powers love to test the resolve of the new guy.
30 posted on 07/18/2007 5:57:21 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: finnigan2

- In terms of a military threat, Russia is now just a giant Potemkin village that Putin is trying to maintain to save face over the fact that it is no longer a military force to be feared. ==

Even 5000 nuclier war heads are not be feared? Why then those interceptors in Europe?
Remember the war in Iraq got started on the presumption even only one Saddam’s nuke and half buckle of the WMD chemicals. Russia still has the tens thousands tonns of chemical WMDs and thousands of the nuclier tipped missiles.
In case of WMD capabilities Russia are still an Everest comparing with Iraqi& Iranian mice.


31 posted on 07/18/2007 8:26:42 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: RusIvan; finnigan2
Russia still has the tens thousands tonns of chemical WMDs

I'ld be more worried about those going off in Moscow. In russia everything is up for sale. Watch out for the chechens.

32 posted on 07/18/2007 7:51:20 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: BrooklynGOP

I’ld be more worried about those going off in Moscow. In russia everything is up for sale. Watch out for the chechens.==
Chechens are busy with making a money now. They are through with building the islamic khaliphate for some times. They serve in Russian army now. Fight with Russia’ enemies:).


33 posted on 07/19/2007 12:52:57 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: RusIvan

Muslim Chechens fight in Russian army?


34 posted on 07/19/2007 1:21:20 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Muslim Chechens fight in Russian army?==

Yeah:). And not only them. Accually all Russia’s muslims fight in ranks of russian army. They are all the citizens so it is naturally that they fight for Russia. Some of them are separatists but far from all of them. SO the majority fight for Russia and even kill those minorities who are against.


35 posted on 07/19/2007 2:33:26 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: BrooklynGOP
“I’ld be more worried about those going off in Moscow. In russia everything is up for sale. Watch out for the chechens.”

- Agreed. Russia still has a navy which is rusting away in various ports due to insufficient funds, an air force which is sustained through sales to third world countries and an army made up of many Asiatics and Moslem's from it’s outlying regions whose loyalty to Moscow is growing increasingly suspect.
While Russia still has the ability to launch a surprise missile attack, the political determination to carry out such a drastic measure is not there and, even after such an attack, Russia doesn’t have the economic or military infrastructure to sustain an extended war.
As you say, the main danger from Russia is if it’s nuclear arsenal were to fall into the hands of Islamic terrorists.

36 posted on 07/19/2007 4:12:41 AM PDT by finnigan2 (>)
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To: RusIvan

My Russian neighbor would have a hard time believing this. He emigrated from one of those ‘stan countries because the Muslims hated the Russians so much that they were seizing their property.


37 posted on 07/19/2007 8:25:27 AM PDT by Eva
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To: RusIvan
5000 nuclier war heads are not be feared?

Since the 50s the entire planet has been living with this. The proper emotional state to be in is not fear but something more existential such as weltschmerz.

38 posted on 07/19/2007 8:31:08 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RightWhale

Magog awakens, the writings on the wall, tick, tock, tick, tock ...


39 posted on 07/19/2007 8:35:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

The moving hand has writ, but who reads cuneiform anymore?


40 posted on 07/19/2007 8:37:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RusIvan

Well, as they say - KABKA3 - DE/\O TOHKOE :)


41 posted on 07/19/2007 7:34:40 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: Eva

My Russian neighbor would have a hard time believing this. He emigrated from one of those ‘stan countries because the Muslims hated the Russians so much that they were seizing their property.==

Stan country where Muslims are the majority is one thing but Russia where Muclims are just 5% is another. Don’t you wonder why american Muslims fought in the american army? Why they do that? For same reason why Russia’ Muslims fight for Russia.


42 posted on 07/20/2007 4:09:49 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: RusIvan

My husband was listening to Glenn Beck on the radio, yesterday, and he was talking about what the Chechens did to the school children before they killed them, they raped the children.

I was also reading something from an embedded reporter that was linked from National Review. The reporter said that it was important to get out the story of the barbarity of the Islamic terrorism. He was saying that in one town where the terrorists thought that the residents were too friendly with the US troops and killed most of the town, they found decapitated bodies of little children and the executed bodies of their parents. In another town, parents were served the baked and stuffed bodies of their young sons. He backed up his claims with pictures, though I didn’t see those.


43 posted on 07/20/2007 8:49:47 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

My husband was listening to Glenn Beck on the radio, yesterday, and he was talking about what the Chechens did to the school children before they killed them, they raped the children.==

I didn’t hear that Chechens did such things. However they hated the opposite forces during Chehens wars they didn’t do such things. I beleive that their own will kill thier own if see such thing. Same way for russian soldiers. Accually Chechen ar enot that far from Russians. However some of them do not like us the majority of them live between us peacefully. We all has same customs with variations, wear same cloth and see same TV stations.
So our Chechens are not far from us.


44 posted on 07/20/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by RusIvan (Western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: Rummenigge
You would not need to worry about that. Norwegian airspace is tightly controlled. Even our oil rigs got medium range radars.

In 2001 during an exercise those radars picked up NATO stealth aircrafts, and I can assure you that 1980s style russian bombers are detected well before that.

45 posted on 07/20/2007 10:37:30 AM PDT by OlaNordmann
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To: Ronin

Backfires are not part of the strategic air arm. They have had all their refuelling probes disconected. They don’t have the range to get to where the Bears and Blackjacks flew. These are out of area ops by heavy long range cruise missile carriers. They can stand-off outside the range of air defences and launch up to 16 air launched cruise missiles(for the Bears).

Last year the Russians flew the Bears and Blackjacks on those missions against North America. They are simply part of the Russian nuclear triad as long-range cruise missile carriers. The Russians have the longest-range cruise missiles in any active inventory.


46 posted on 07/21/2007 2:16:30 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: RusIvan; Eva; Tailgunner Joe
Don’t you wonder why american Muslims fought in the american army? Why they do that? For same reason why Russia’ Muslims fight for Russia.

That's a lie. Russia's muslims are *drafted* into the army. American muslims are not conscripted, but volunteer. Nice try.

47 posted on 07/29/2007 7:49:00 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: BrooklynGOP

Russia’s muslims are *drafted* into the army. American muslims are not conscripted, but volunteer. Nice try.==

Dear dear:)) You so less know about the modern Russia.

FYI those who drafted are go to the footcampting tour mostly. Because they serve about 1 year only and that is all they can get during 1 year in army. The basic miliary training.

But there are the fighting regiments in Russian military which are not conscipted but consisted of the voluntareers like in the american army. Speznaz, tanks, missiles, aviation and fleet are all mostly professional.

For example. 2 battalions of army speznaz in Chechnya are all cosisted of Chechen men (so not only just of Muslims but of those Chechens who are fight for Russia). Now 2 companies of those 2 ballions are on the duty in Lebanon. Where they secure the regiment of the military engineers who build bridges there.

So Russia’ muslims fight for Russia as the America’ for America.


48 posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:54 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
For example. 2 battalions of army speznaz in Chechnya are all cosisted of Chechen men (so not only just of Muslims but of those Chechens who are fight for Russia). Now 2 companies of those 2 ballions are on the duty in Lebanon. Where they secure the regiment of the military engineers who build bridges there. So Russia’ muslims fight for Russia as the America’ for America.

Not exactly. Those same chechens who are "pro moscow" are merely "pro moscow" because they got defeated in the Chechen war. They accepted their loss and submitted to the russian rule.

49 posted on 07/30/2007 4:59:27 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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