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Soldiers Defend Body Armor
Army News Service ^ | July 13, 2007 | Staff Writer

Posted on 07/18/2007 10:37:20 AM PDT by PsyOp

Soldiers Defend Body Armor

FORT BELVOIR, Va. - Soldiers are volunteering dramatic personal accounts of lives saved and injuries avoided thanks to the Army's body armor. Their first-hand accounts of what happens demonstrate confidence in what the Army is doing to protect them.

Interceptor Body Armor is a modular system that features an outer tactical vest with hard protective plates. Spc. Gregory T. Miller, 101st Airborne Division, told Congress at a hearing last month that this body armor saved his life while he was on patrol in Kirkuk in preparation for Iraqi elections in December 2005. He was hit in the back by a sniper with what was supposed to be an armor-piercing round. Spc. Miller, who wound up with a bruised back, said he didn't even realize he'd been hit at first.

It all seemed to happen in slow motion, he said. The water bottle he was holding flew out of his hand; he thought his team leader had hit him on the back - hard. When he realized he'd been hit, he checked himself and then turned to return fire.

When the round was pulled from his armor back plate, ballistics tests identified it as a 7.62 armor-piercing round. "I trust my gear," he told the congressional panel. When asked why, he replied matter-of-factly: "It saved my life."

Staff Sgt. Jeremie Oliver of Fort Hood, Texas, has been in Iraq since October 2006, wearing his body armor every single day. "It works very well," he has reported. The husband and father of four children was shot on Father's Day this year.

"We were on patrol securing a site ... a shot rang out and I got hit in the chest. I was in a Bradley, standing up in the hatch, plotting a grid on my GPS. At first I didn't know what had really happened, but then I felt the pain. I sat down, realized what happened, and opened my vest. The bullet had not penetrated the vest, so we continued the mission and went after the enemy."

Sgt. 1st Class Jody Penrod described his combat experience with IBA: "I took a couple of IEDs and some shrapnel, and I had a fire bomb and it didn't light on fire. So I was pretty pleased."

Because the IBA vest protected his entire chest area, Sgt. 1st Class Penrod didn't have so much as a scratch from the shrapnel in the blast. He recounted how insurgents had made Napalm-type bombs with soap so that it would stick to Soldiers while on fire. "I got some on my vest, but it just went right out. So I was kind of happy that the vest didn't go up in flames."

Spc. Jason C. Ashline, an infantryman with Fort Drum, N.Y.'s 10th Mountain Division, survived a round from an AK-47 in Afghanistan in 2002 thanks to his body armor. He stated at the recent dedication of MIT's Institute for Nanotechnologies: "If it weren't for technology I wouldn't be standing here today."

Spc. Ashline was hit twice in the chest during a 12-hour firefight with al-Qaeda insurgents in 2002. The slugs lodged in his body armor. He was stunned but unhurt, and was pulled to safety by his buddies.

Documenting personal accounts of positive body armor experiences is difficult because the Army doesn't keep count of Soldiers not killed or injured. Still, there are more stories like these and Army leaders at all levels recount apocryphal tales by the dozens.

Capt. David Beard, now stationed at Fort Myer, Va., previously served in Iraq. "I remember a guy in Najaf got shot with an AK right in the chest," Beard said, "and his IBA plate saved him!"

Capt. Daniel Leard, also at Fort Myer by way of Iraq, called his body armor "a great protective asset." He said it routinely stop rounds. "In our own unit we had, on several occasions, Soldiers pulling bullets out of their body armor or helmet. It clearly saved their lives."

Brig. Gen. R. Mark Brown, Program Executive Officer, has repeatedly asserted that the Army is providing Soldiers with the best, most protective body armor - bar none. He particularly resents the fact that Soldiers' Families have been misled by conflicting media reports that left them concerned that the Army might not be doing all it can to protect its Soldiers.

"Force protection is the number-one priority of the Army. We value our Soldiers very highly and we do everything we can do to ensure they have the finest in force protection as they go into the battle," Brig. Gen. Brown said. "I want to assure the American public, the Soldiers and their Families that they have the best equipment when and where they need it."

PEO Soldier designs, produces and fields virtually everything the American Soldier wears or carries. The organization's Soldier-as-a-System approach ensures that equipment works in an integrated manner, thus preparing troops for peak performance.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armor; body; iba; interceptor

1 posted on 07/18/2007 10:37:22 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
"...Soldiers' Families have been misled by conflicting media reports that left them concerned that the Army might not be doing all it can to protect its Soldiers."

Gee, whose interests would be served by doing that?
</sarc>

2 posted on 07/18/2007 10:46:12 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD -"What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: Redbob
Gee, whose interests would be served by doing that?

The makers of that Lizard Flesh stuff.

3 posted on 07/18/2007 10:49:32 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: PsyOp

I am living proof that these things work. I took an AK round square in the middle of my chest during a firefight back in 2004. My SAPI plate stopped it and all I had to show for it was two cracked ribs, bruises in the outline of my dogtags and soiled underwear. The rag who shot me did not fare nearly as well thanks to my guys.


4 posted on 07/18/2007 10:58:57 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: PsyOp
We met a moonbat at Walter Reed who bought into the BS going around that our troops had less than the best available body armor and that he had purchased, at his own cost of $5,000, some Dragonskin armor for his kid. The kid was wearing it in violation of orders.

There are reports out there of irregularities in the statements and tests by Dragonskin's manufacturer and in news reports broadcast by NBC News, in particular Lisa Myers. If the reports of misleading the public are true, and it appears that they are, Dragonskin's manufacturer and Lisa Myers have put our troops at risk.

The Moonbats are killing their own kids by buying into any and every Bush Bashing BS that comes along.

MFSO & NBC Lied
Moonbats' Kids Died

5 posted on 07/18/2007 10:59:47 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: stm

Thank you for your service.

God Bless Our Troops.

Marine Mom


6 posted on 07/18/2007 11:00:23 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: PsyOp
Soldiers Defend Body Armor

I would, too. Especially if my hide were inside it.

7 posted on 07/18/2007 11:06:18 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: PsyOp

You won’t see this on NBC News.


8 posted on 07/18/2007 11:14:21 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: PsyOp
I remember watching CSPAN and a press conference where the Army developers of body armor were demonstrating the equipment and answering questions. Some dumbass reporter asked why what was on display was the "seventh generation" and why that wasn't just provided first? As if they were deliberately NOT fielding the latest and greatest.

The also had a Marine SGT school the dumb bastards about body armor. The discussion centered around "shoulder pads" which the Marines can have, but few use. The reporters were aghast. The SGT looked at them as they were a bunch of dumbasses (which they were) and told them that the key to saving his life on more often being able to get over a wall. And that the "shoulder pads" restricted his ability to do that.

We need a legal licensing requirement for reporters. We don't let lawyers, doctors, pilots or truck drivers practice their profession if they are not qualified.

9 posted on 07/18/2007 11:16:28 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Redbob

My stepson came home with one of these vests to show me while he was on leave. Cool stuff. Heavy but cool.


10 posted on 07/18/2007 11:17:25 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Doctor Raoul

could this be Darwin’s theory at work if the children of the moonbats are the ones more likely to die because they are not wearing the armor that has been shown to be superior?


11 posted on 07/18/2007 11:21:36 AM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: stefanbatory

It’s not fair to those kids. We should call whatever agency in that state deals with child protection and report that Dad for endangering his son.


12 posted on 07/18/2007 11:34:35 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Wikipedia has an interesting article on Dragonskin, which I never heard of until this thread. Apparently, if I read the article correctly, the Dragonskin ceramic discs fall apart, or become dislodged somehow, at temperatures above 120 degrees F. I can understand the military’s reservations, as this would be less than ideal in desert conditions.
13 posted on 07/18/2007 11:55:13 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Doctor Raoul

They’re over 18...not much to do with child protective services anymore by then...


14 posted on 07/18/2007 12:44:56 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: stm
I remember going out on an ambush in '68, we were walking to the main gate at Cu Chi before the gates closed and some dude driving a M151 skidded to a halt after a gun shot.

The guy driving the Jeep took a round in the back through two layers of his flack jacket, draped over his seat. One of our medically inclined did a quick survey and found a surface wound, scraped the round out with a knife.

You guys have a lot better stuff than we did, we used to call the inserts that Huey gunners wore "Chicken Plates"

15 posted on 07/18/2007 12:55:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Little Bill

We went through the war in 03 with the Vietnam era flak jackets. We used to sit on them in the HMMWV’s, they for damn sure were not much good to us any other way.


16 posted on 07/18/2007 1:43:44 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
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To: PsyOp

who’s to say that the armor isn’t good, just that the dragon skin is better? i saw an actual demonstration on future weapons on the discovery channel. looked to me like dragon skin is amazing.


17 posted on 07/18/2007 1:46:43 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: stm

Glad to hear it. My brother was saved by a Second Chance vest years ago when he was working as a security guard. Nothing as powerfull as an Ak round though.

After all the articles slamming the body armor our folks are wearing (like my own kid currently in the green zone), I thought this one showed the up side we’ll never hear on CNN.


18 posted on 07/18/2007 4:34:52 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Last night on the Military channel the program “Future Weapons” hosted by that ex-Seal had a segment on the DragonSkin body armor. They shot it full of 5.56 and 7.62 steel-core AP rounds and it stopped them all. Then they threw the shot up vest over a fragmentation grenade. No penetration.

If it works as demonstrated in the show, the stuff is pretty awsome. Perhpas better than what is being used now. But the point of the article is that the stuff we have now works pretty good.


19 posted on 07/18/2007 4:39:10 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: thefactor
i saw an actual demonstration on future weapons...

I saw the same show last night. It looked like solid stuff to me.

20 posted on 07/18/2007 4:41:27 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: stm

Wow.


21 posted on 07/18/2007 4:43:23 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: PsyOp

Nothing as powerfull as an Ak round though.
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Not sure I follow.

Are you saying that the vests won’t stop anything more powerful than an AK round?

Surely you aren’t saying there isn’t anything more powerful than an AK round, are you?


22 posted on 07/18/2007 4:43:33 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: PsyOp

I wonder are these some of Ron Paul supporters.


23 posted on 07/18/2007 4:43:43 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: PsyOp
Checkout the Newsbusters story on the NBC presentation about Dragonskin being superior to current service use body armor.

The "expert" they had on worked on the fabric carrier, not the plates. The plates used were not from an approved Govt contractor and the tests did not replicate the Govt tests.

All the NBC story was missing was an exploding pick up truck from the Dateline archives.

The Army put out a rebuttal which included a video. Usually General Officers are restrained, but this guy was laughing at the BS they exposed at NBC.

I believe I've seen the episode you saw a while back. It looks good, but I believe DragonSkin's manufacturer has had other problems other than the Army tests.

24 posted on 07/18/2007 6:51:48 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: CJ Wolf
My stepson came home with one of these vests to show me while he was on leave. Cool stuff. Heavy but cool.

Something tells me that "cool" is not the correct adjective to describe heavy BA in 130 degree temps.

But if it saves a life then I'm sure the guys will gladly deal with the heat. Now if they could build in an efficient, light weight, non constricting cooling system into the BA system...

25 posted on 07/18/2007 7:41:06 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: mamelukesabre
Surely you aren’t saying there isn’t anything more powerful than an AK round, are you?

I simply meant that my brother was shot with a smaller caliber, lower velocity round. And at the time he was wearing a second generation (i think), "Second Chance" brand vest, not the new Interceptor vest our troops are issued.

An AK round would have punched right through the Second Chance vest. That is what I meant. Sorry if I was not clear.

26 posted on 07/19/2007 1:29:09 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: mimaw
I wonder are these some of Ron Paul supporters.

some of them are I'm sure. After all, they believe the govt was behind 9/11.

27 posted on 07/19/2007 1:30:23 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
The "expert" they had on worked on the fabric carrier, not the plates.

Let me guess... the "expert" was a disgruntled former employee? Perhaps fired for downloading dirty pictures on a company computer?

All I know is they shot the hell out of the one on Future Weapons and it stopped everything.

People also forget that the military has to consider cost of purchase and later maintenance when it fields any type of gear. The Dragon Skin may be superior, but is it sufficiently superior to justify the additional cost?

The same nutters that complain about our folks lack of "proper" body armor are the same ones that screech over every nickle in the defense budget.

28 posted on 07/19/2007 1:38:00 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: PsyOp
Let me guess... the "expert" was a disgruntled former employee?

I don't think so. I believe he padded his resume to get the NBC gig and made sure the Army vest come in second on NBC News.

All I know is they shot the hell out of the one on Future Weapons and it stopped everything.

I saw that too, but that's a show and not a controlled independent evlauation.

I think DS has company problems, temperature problems and off angle problems.

People also forget that the military has to consider cost of purchase and later maintenance when it fields any type of gear. The Dragon Skin may be superior, but is it sufficiently superior to justify the additional cost?

The libs will give you the, "...but if it saves one life it's worth it" crap, as if there were infinite money so that anything that mitigates every threat can be provided. If I get a chance I'll look for that Army rebuttal. The same nutters that complain about our folks lack of "proper" body armor are the same ones that screech over every nickle in the defense budget.

29 posted on 07/19/2007 1:49:23 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: PsyOp
Go to Michelle malkin's Hot Air and find the "Emotional Terrorism" entry. I believe there'a a link to the Army rebuttal or it's in the story itself.

Also search FR for "emotional terrorism" as I believe that Hot Air story was discussed here too.

30 posted on 07/19/2007 1:58:26 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
off angle problems.

I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense now that I think of it. I can see how a round could slip in between the plates if fired at an oblique angle.

But at $5,000 a pop, I bet cost was a big factor. I don't know what the cost of an Interceptor vest is, but I bet it is a lot less than that. And since the interceptor will also stop an AK round, cost has to be a consideration. You always reach a point of diminishing returns in cost/benefit calculus.

The Army is pretty good at testing equipment before fileding it and they weigh lots of factors that most would never think of. Lots of problems don't show up right away, even with all the testing they do.

People forget that active duty soldiers do the testing. These are people that might one day have to use this stuff themselves and don't want to be left with their asses hanging in the wind.

31 posted on 07/19/2007 2:49:50 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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I just found and watched the Hot Air Video. There are a lot of facts about Dragon Skin that never made it into the Future Weapons show.

NBC seems bound and determined to stay stuck in the Dan Rather rut of journalistic mud-slinging.

In the video the General in charge said that they had provided NBC with over 20 hours of video and reams of other test data, all of which was ignored.

NBC must have assumed it was all doctored and rigged since it was provided by the military (and you just know you can’t trust those generals and military types to tell the truth).


32 posted on 07/19/2007 3:14:58 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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I’m surprised that NBC didn’t test DragonSkin’s effectiveness against exploding Dateline pick up trucks...


33 posted on 07/19/2007 5:28:20 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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exploding Dateline pick up trucks...

I'm sure it was discusssed.

34 posted on 07/21/2007 12:09:53 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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