Free Dominion faces possible Human Rights attack

[Reform Canada]

It appears someone has launched a complaint against free dominion with the Canadian Human rights tribunal.

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457

[goldstategop]

Our Canadian Freepers are under attack by the Left.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[LucyT]

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457

[festus]

Being Canadian has all sorts of drawbacks.

[Reform Canada]

Link to Free Dominion Discussion Ping

[neb52]

Has a lawyer looked at to see if it is authentic? If it is legit then that is pretty disturbing on so many levels.

[elizabetty]

Is the complaint from a Muslim? They are expert complainers.

[FormerACLUmember]

More evidence that true civil rights are weak in Canada.

[Publius6961]

Interesting thread.
There are a few things that we must remember about Canuckistan:

Until 1972 (I think) they were a dominion.
They have a Charter not a Constitution.
NO Bill of Rights.
No First Amendment.
Not even sure if they have the principle of "innocent until proven guilty".

A nutcase (GLBT type)threatened to have the Pope arrested a few years back when he visited Canada.

There is no burden to prove injury, only a whiners claim that it has occured.
So, yeah, it's possible.

Personally, I am in for a monthly donation to help them get top legal representation.

[txroadkill]

I would like to draw your attention to section 48 of the Canadian Human Rights Act which allows the parties to settle a complaint in the course of investigation. I would be pleased to discuss the possibility of a settlement with you or your representative at any time.

Damn...is it just me or does this sound like the Canadian government is trying to strong arm Free Dominion into paying off the complainer?

[Publius6961]

I am the investigator designated under Part III of the Canadian Human Rights Act to investigate the complaint of Ms. [name omitted at this time] against Free Dominion. As the investigator, it is my responsibility to gather the evidence in relation to the complainant's allegations and, once the investigation is complete, to report on my findings to the Members of the Commission.

Apparently, the absolute right to face your accuser does not exist in Canada, either.
Isn't that just swell?

[Lancey Howard]

Yeah, it sounds like an extortion scheme similar to what the ACLU runs here in the US.

[txroadkill]

touché

[mkjessup]

Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada.

[PAR35]

Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada.

That would be my suggestion as well.

[Nathan Zachary]

Sounds like a whole lot of B.S. to me.
First off, The Canadian Government wouldn't post crap like that on a web site, If the crown decided to drag you into court on a charge of hate crime, they would arrest the owner and serve them in person. Those charges would be specified, ie. what laws and sections of law were violated.

Second, unlike the USA, the "offended person" isn't the one who decides if charges are laid or not laid. it is the sole decision of the crown attorney. They cannot offer an out of court settlement. That alone tells me this is B.S.

Third, the crown does not pursue damages for the offended party, they only uphold the law, and prosecute violations of it without any intent to compensate the "offended" or victim for damages. They would have to seek damages in a civil court, much like in the USA, but is hard to do in Canada.

So, if someone is threatening Free Dominion with legal action other than the Canadian courts, it's all B.S. Unlike the USA, it's very hard to sue anyone in Canada. They've had torte reform ages ago, where we still have to put a stop to sue crazy people in the USA.

[Publius6961]

Well, if any Canucks are up this late, I'm with you!
(As well as a gazillion other Freepers, you can count on that)

I can't get into the FD site, I haven't tried to post there in a couple of years, and it won't accept my name and password.

Actually I hope this is real. No time like the present to stand up to intimidation, whether directly or by "borrowing" the power of big-brother government.

I wonder who the best canuck conservative defense attorney is?

[Nathan Zachary]

In fact. after reading a copy of the email, I can say without doubt that it is pure B.S. , an immature juvenile’s email sent by some twit who obviously doesn’t agree with the opinions posted by people who disagree with the leftist point of view in Canada.

Free Dominion would have been served by registered mail at the least, or by the RCMP personally if there was any such complaint.

Connie and party should simply phone the correct government department and ask if such a person works there.(There is no such government department in Canada called “Human rights”)

[FormerACLUmember]

Looks like a blatantly phony extortion letter to me. Turn it over to the mounties.

[Nathan Zachary]

The site works fine for me, although I didn’t try log in, as I haven’t posted there in years either, since I sold my house in Canada moved back to the USA permanently.

[loboinok]

(There is no such government department in Canada called “Human rights”)

I don't know about there being a government dept but they do have a 'Human Rights Act'.

THE CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACT

[backhoe]

Thank you for posting this- I just learned of it.

Time to rally around our allies to the North.

Here is what I have so far:

Our Canadian Sister Site is being threatened-- details here:

Human Rights attack on Free Dominion [ 1 ... 8, 9, 10 ]

 Moments ago we found this in Free Dominion's mailbox:


July 16, 2007

File 2006057

Ms. Connie Wilkins
c/o Free Dominion
2033 Unity Rd.
Kingston, ON
K0H 1M0

Dear Ms. Wilkins:

I am the investigator designated under Part III of the Canadian Human Rights Act to investigate the complaint of Ms. [name omitted at this time] against Free Dominion... I am currently awaiting your full response to the allegations which is due on 18 July 2007.

Ms. Gentes doesn't seem to be too happy with Free Dominion.

( Note carefully the demand's date- same day as received... )

 

A search for "Ms. Gentes" reveals:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Ms.+Gentes%22+canada

Ms. Gentes-Hawn said. ...

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:hTNz03-gqrsJ:www.canadiangrassroots.ca/sections.php%3Fop%3Dviewarticle%26artid%3D977+%22Ms.+Gentes%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

 

My advice:

 

Cut to the chase-

Soon as business hours open up there:

1)- call your lawyer- and be sure you ask about how much you can document via live recordings.

2)- call this damned investigator.

3)- document and record everything you legally can.
I can't say about your legal system, but here, "contemporaneous notes"-- a notebook, signed, dated, and written in your own hand, as you talk and observe things ( like a policeman's notebook ) is regarded as evidence in trials or depositions. Even if these are not legally admissible, start and keep one- for both of you- anyway. It will help organize your thoughts.

You have to treat this complaint as legitimate unless and until you have clear proof otherwise.

I will link this over on Free Republic, unless it has already been done.

I dealt with jackals like this for decades- so you know I wish you well, and will do what I can from here- in the swamps of Georgia.

[backhoe]

Thank you- I just became aware of this, here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868213/posts?page=22#22

This is what you get from Political Correctness, “hate crimes prevention laws” and a hyperactive bureaucracy- let Americans beware of such excesses.

[backhoe]

Bump- “for great justice!”

[NorthernRight]

Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada.

They already are sited in the U.S.

[backhoe]

Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada. They already are sited in the U.S.

Indeed, the servers have been for years- but the Sysops, who I both regard as friends, are right up there in Beaverland, and subject their draconian PC laws and regulations.

Let's hope their lawyer can nip this nastiness in the bud.

[fanfan]

Complaints
Who can a complaint be filed against?

The Canadian Human Rights Act protects anyone living in Canada against discrimination by the following federally regulated employers, service providers or unions :

* Federal departments, agencies and Crown corporations
* Chartered banks
* Airlines
* Television and radio stations
* Interprovincial communications and telephone companies
* Buses and railways that travel between provinces
* First Nations employers (for employment and service issues that are not exempt under section 67 of the Act)
* Other federally regulated industries, such as certain mining operations.

Free Dominion is not a federally regulated employer, service providers or union.

[backhoe]

Hiya, fanfan... while my response is here-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868213/posts?page=22#22

- I’ll just add that Connie & Mark need to talk to their lawyer, to start sorting this out. It may be bogus— probably harassment from a banned member- but it has to be taken seriously until proven otherwise.

[Bahbah]

Thanks, fanfan.

This does not sound very credible. I certainly hope it is not.

[Alas Babylon!]

Nathan, it is NOT an email that Connie (Free Dominion’s JimRob) received. It was a LETTER, sent to her mailbox by EXPRESSPOST, Canadian Mail. They goggled the name Human Rights Commissioner staff investigator who sent it and it is a real person working for said commission, and they also called the phone # (although after office hours) and got the voicemail of the said investigator.

While I hope it is a fake it appears it is legit.

[Tribune7]

It sounds like a ploy straight from the Clinton book and that backfired on them bigtime.

Their HRC/IRS stunts were a very big part of the GOP win in 1994.

Remember, publicity is your biggest friend. I suspect you might be able to use this to convert a lot of people who normally vote liberal.

[backhoe]

This appears to be a real threat:

From:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457&start=165

“Results of phone call one:

This is real.

The file number they sent us was wrong. The correct file number is 20060657.

The agent asked Connie if she knew the first name of the complainant. We don’t know if the agent didn’t have the name herself or if she was trying to learn whether Connie knew it. We still don’t have the complainant’s full name.

We still don’t know what the complaint is. They didn’t tell us.

Connie was finally bumped upstairs to a supervisor but ended up at his voicemail. She left a message and that is where we stand at the moment.”

[free_life]

Until 1972 (I think) they were a dominion. They have a Charter not a Constitution. NO Bill of Rights. No First Amendment. Not even sure if they have the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". A nutcase (GLBT type)threatened to have the Pope arrested a few years back when he visited Canada. There is no burden to prove injury, only a whiners claim that it has occured. So, yeah, it's possible.

Yes there is a Canadian Constitution and a Charter of Rights. There are also freedom of speech and religion etc as in US First Amendment. And yes innocent to proven guilty.

This is not a criminal or civil court but what is called the Human Rights Commission. A kangaroo court to limit free speech under the Hate Crimes Law that is in direct opposition to the Canadian Constitution and Charter of Rights. The HRC are having ruling being challenged in the Canadian Court as we speak. The war is not lost it is being fought as is the case in the US with similar rights and freedoms.

You are aware that there are forces trying to bring similar hate crimes laws and Human Rights Tribunals to US?

[G8 Diplomat]

I assume the title meant Human rights attacK...

It’s probably just a scheme by a leftist to get FD banned. They come up with some reason why it constitutes a human rights offense and get the government to listen.

I used to post on FD but I haven’t been on for awhile. I outta go back.

[Publius6961]

You are aware that there are forces trying to bring similar hate crimes laws and Human Rights Tribunals to US?

Yes, I am painfully aware.
Neurotics trump the Constitution?

Sandmaggots can scream "Death to America" and enjoy 'protected speech'?

[Publius6961]

Most Freepers are not aware of this development. Let's keep this thread alive this Thursday morning...

BUMP!

[PAR35]

Perhaps they should seek political asylum in the US based upon political and religious persecution.

[backhoe]

Perhaps they should seek political asylum in the US based upon political and religious persecution.

Good idea, but I guess that nixes my plan to move into their basement if Hillarrhea! wins in 2008...

[sageb1]

http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/jan17-06_victory_for_freedomsite.html

[sageb1]

also:

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/proactive_initiatives/hoi_hsi/page7-en.asp

[backhoe]

Thank you- I will pass those on.

[sageb1]

Thanks. I’d go myself as I’m registered there, but my computer is showing me as not logged in to Free Dominion and I can’t remember right this minute what ID/email addy I used to register.

[KC Burke]

It looks like the date of the letter and the demand deadline for response is totally unresonably brief.

I would think that this sort of improper service and demand would be cause for all sorts of extensions and demands for details by their attorney.

Have they said if they have secured one yet?

I tried to skim all the pages but didn’t see that mentioned.

[backhoe]

Last I saw, they were still trying to get through on the phone to an actual person at this CHRC office where the letter originated. A member of FD did post this:

I have talked to a lawyer with a VERY large federally regulated employer. She has worked 20 years dealing with human rights and has handled 500 or so complaints.

She said the CHRC must provide you with:

The section of the act allegedly violated.
The nature of the complaint
The complaint as provided by the complainant to the CHRC.

She says DO NOT respond to the complaint until you have ALL the info you are entitled to. Meet with the investigator first if you have to.

[Publius6961]

Sweet!

[KC Burke]

Like big government anywhere, they look to have quite a complex river to navigate.

When FR went through its first legal difficulties it was fortunate that we had some people to get us started in the right direction. I hope they plan out issues of fees and that sort of stuff as legal assistance can mount up to a lot of hourly charges if you just leave it on that basis and the parties at both ends of the relationship can end up very disappointed with the costs or reimbursement, as we all saw in our case.

[null and void]

Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada.

And into Fresno...

[styky]

Freedominion needs us all to rally and support them.

[Publius6961]

Freedominion needs us all to rally and support them.

Amen!
I have been trying to keep this thread bumped, and also trying to get into Free Dominion, but I can't remember my password and am waiting for login help.

I'm in for $5 a month forever, if that's what it takes to slap these losers down. If 10,000 other Freepers do likewise, FD can have some first class legal help.

[styky]

I’ll be starting a legal defense thread very soon

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1017680#1017680