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Free Dominion faces possible Human Rights attack

Posted on 07/18/2007 9:48:39 PM PDT by Reform Canada

It appears someone has launched a complaint against free dominion with the Canadian Human rights tribunal.

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada
KEYWORDS: canada; freedominion; freepers; homosexualagenda; humanrightstribunal; nau; northamericanunion
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To: backhoe

BTTT


251 posted on 07/24/2007 12:18:19 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Halgr

Appreciate the bump- I’ll have a little more to add, shortly.


252 posted on 07/24/2007 4:13:44 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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 The Chill is On
 
Evidence Collecting in Support of FD's Defence

253 posted on 07/24/2007 4:32:38 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

WOW....someone is working hard at building a case for the defense.

I sure hope FD obtains a top notch attorney and that once the frivolity of this “case” is proven that damages can be collected from the complaintant and CHRC.


254 posted on 07/24/2007 8:30:24 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: goldstategop; devolve

They have a ‘guestroom for Freepers’, I assume you may be talking about that as I haven’t read through the thread.


255 posted on 07/24/2007 9:25:00 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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(Freedominion) owner pledges to fight hate-speech complaint
The Globe and Mail July 25th
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070725.RIGHTS25/TPStory/National

256 posted on 07/25/2007 4:28:29 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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WorldNetDaily: Political website cited...
 "It's really a warning for you in the United States to look at this and see what's happening," Wilkins said. "You have to fight this with all that you have."

257 posted on 07/25/2007 4:44:02 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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http://www.relapsedcatholic.com/
 
Freedominion.ca's "secular fatwa" hits Washington Times 

Thanks for the quote, Pete, and congrats on the article. I'm jealous!


258 posted on 07/25/2007 5:24:58 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
Just read your "Chill" link and the Globe and Mail article -- and this looks really ugly.

The fact that the complaint is filed for free by the government in the complainant's behalf, guarantees that Canada will see a lot more, not less, of these complaints. Free resources always attract over-use.

On the other hand, the object of the complaint will be almost always compelled to hire legal representation, because the possible consequences include both cash awards and jail sentences for refractory individuals. So one's freedom is in the scales from the start. This is a very unequal process.

I just sent a note with your and the Globe/Mail links to a Canadian relative.

Of course, if Hildebeast gets elected, this will seem like typical Canadian bonhomie by comparison, while Hillary's jackboots are rousting Rush from behind his mike and dragging him, Hannity, Newt, Richard Viguerie, and Jim Rob off to Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary. (No Allenwood "country club" for them!)

259 posted on 07/25/2007 7:02:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Appreciate ( and agree with ) your comments- thanks for stopping by.


260 posted on 07/25/2007 7:04:53 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1023191#1023191
 
This thing is spreading like WILDFIRE.... Hurray

On Google, just now:

Quote:
'All it takes is for someone to say my feelings were hurt'
WorldNetDaily, OR - 8 hours ago
... Canada's Free Dominion site and posts articles, comments and blogs on a wide range of issues, said she just was notified by the nation's Human Rights ...

Activist's remarks about Islam and sex probed
Washington Times, DC - 18 hours ago
The complaint, which has not been made public, reportedly said the posting “has a discriminatory content against Muslims, and Free Dominion contributes to ...

Right-wing website to defend posting; Woman files human rights ...
The Kingston Whig-Standard, Canada - Jul 23, 2007
The owner of a Kingston-based, right-wing website has been slapped with a Canadian Human Rights Commission complaint over a post that allegedly attacks ...

Canada's Human Rights Commission Used to Target Conservative ...
Lifesite, NY - Jul 19, 2007
Connie Wilkins of Free Dominion spoke with LifeSiteNews.com about the human rights complaint filed with the HRC by a certain"Ms. Gentes" accusing the site ...

Free Dominion’s light shines strong
Canada Free Press, Canada - Jul 19, 2007
Perhaps it was bureaucratic oversight rather than political agenda that Human Rights officials did not send the complaint to the accused. ...


Cool
 
 
Marshal

261 posted on 07/25/2007 7:09:13 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe; All
Mark Fournier has asked me to highlight World Net Daily's article about Free Dominion's hassle with the CHRC.
Political website cited for crime of 'offending'
'All it takes is for someone to say my feelings were hurt'

More...World Net Daily

262 posted on 07/25/2007 8:34:46 AM PDT by NorthernRight (Liberalism is a mental disorder - Socialism is a mental illness!)
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To: NorthernRight

Greatly appreciated, FRiend- my thanks.


263 posted on 07/25/2007 8:40:30 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
No problem... BTW, you know me. Isent you some "medication", remember? ;-)

a/k/a [EdS]     ;-D

264 posted on 07/25/2007 8:45:04 AM PDT by NorthernRight (Liberalism is a mental disorder - Socialism is a mental illness!)
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To: Publius6961

Or, have them ask for political asylum here.


265 posted on 07/25/2007 9:18:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NorthernRight

You bet I know you, Ed- and the Missus thanks you, too.


266 posted on 07/25/2007 9:40:57 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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CANADIANS AND HATE SPEECH
 
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84793
The Right Side
With Doug Aldridge
www.therightside.ca
July 24, 2007

Free Speech under attack!
Free Dominion.ca hit with nuisance complaint by
Canadian (CORRECTOID) HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION
The GUY FROM BOSTON: Free Speech with ATTITUDE

Is Judge Ellen Gordon Smoking the Drapes?
Idiot Border Control Decision Puts Us ALL At RISK


Canada’s top conservative web-site for free expression has been slapped with a complaint from a Quebec-based correctoid. Mark Fournier the co-owner and operator of Free Dominion, says: “bring it on.” Its time Canadians learned the truth of this lefty-infested tribunal, which is fashioned after the notorious Court of the Star Chamber...something abolished in England 500 years ago.
If you love free speech...

267 posted on 07/25/2007 9:47:43 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Kangaroo Courts and their Pimps Endanger Canada's Peace
 O Canada, when are we going to stand on guard for thee?
http://socon-or-bust.blogspot.com/2007/07/chrc-attack-on-free-dominion-index-page.html

268 posted on 07/25/2007 9:53:49 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Kindly note- your poster ( I ) have many quarrels with the article below- it is placed to stir discussion. Not endorsement:
Why I Left Canada [ 1, 2 ] -- It wasn't just that Canada was moving far beyond Liberalism and into Socialism, which was alarming enough, but, with the advent of insane political correctness that had taken a chokehold on Canada, I could see the writing on the wall that free speech would invariably, at some point in time, be a thing of the past. ...the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, created in 1977 and where truth is not a defense...Canadian hate crime laws are nothing more than ways to silence criticism of certain protected groups...

269 posted on 07/25/2007 11:23:29 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Connie/Coren live interview 2 - Right now on CFRB 1010
270 posted on 07/25/2007 2:09:53 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Bump


271 posted on 07/25/2007 2:38:30 PM PDT by jokar (for it is by grace, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: jokar

Thanks for the bump- I’ll have a link to Connie’s new interview ( story above ) in a few minutes.


272 posted on 07/25/2007 4:02:21 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Connie/Coren live interview 2 - Right now on CFRB 1010 [ 1, 2 ]
 MAN...I can't BELIEVE the pace this thing is moving...... Run away!!!!
DID ANYONE GRAB IT?  Download here:

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/1314274

273 posted on 07/25/2007 4:13:04 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Badda-bump!


274 posted on 07/25/2007 7:35:06 PM PDT by NorthernRight (Liberalism is a mental disorder - Socialism is a mental illness!)
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Freedom-snatching Commie-Commissions - WorldNetDaily -- Students of history will have heard of SMERSH. It was a forerunner of the KGB, a Communist Party commissariat under Josef Stalin. SMERSH was empowered to investigate and arrest conspirators and public critics of "the Party" – people living in the former Soviet Union didn't have constitutional freedoms.

 Well, Canada has its own commissariats, in the form of Human Rights Commissions...so far no Commie-Commission in Canada has ever actually gone after the real hate mongers. You know, the ones who protest Israel's right to exist, who have threatened to annihilate all Westerners – and have actively participated as enemy combatants against Canadian troops in Afghanistan, only to come back to Canada for "sanctuary" and socialized medicine.

Libertarian Talk host Neal Bortz mentions FD

A backfiring strategy by Marie-Line Gentes --From all the response in the Internet and even in the mainstream media now, it appears her strategy to shove liberalism down our throats is backfiring, and it seems new members are signing up and activity and exposure is increasing every day... my blog traffic is going through the roof about this subject.

Michael Coren TV panel discusses FD and the CHRC 25July2007

Hate Speech laws in Canada, U.S. Dems Salivate

275 posted on 07/26/2007 1:31:14 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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276 posted on 07/26/2007 7:29:32 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
Here is an UPDATE from Google BLOG search for "Free Dominion" Gentes:
Conservative Canadian bloggers under fire, Free speech or "hate ...
56 minutes ago by Sir_Vincent  
In her complaint, which names Wilkins and Freedominion.ca, Gentes argues the flyer, and other Whatcott posts, constitute hate speech. "This flyer has a [sic] discriminatory content against Muslims and Free Dominion contributes to ...
An Emperor's Day - http://anemperorsday.blogspot.com/

Canadian Website Being Investigated By Canadian Thought Police

10 hours ago by Administrator  
The offending material included a link to a picture of a flyer that a Free Dominion contributor released discussing dangers of radical Islam. The complaint from Marie-Line Gentes, a teacher at a Canadian college, “was that we were ...
Johnsblog :: The Rantings of A Conservative... - http://www.johnsblog.jfmooreart.com

Globe and Mail joins Free Dominion “Spartacus” campaign

11 hours ago by StatGuy  
Gentes cites as discriminatory, Mr. Whatcott writes, "I can't figure out why the homosexuals I ran into are on the side of the Muslims. After all Muslims who practise Sharia law tend to advocate beheading homosexuals." ...
Magic Statistics - http://magicstatistics.com
[ More results from Magic Statistics ]

So far they've achieved just the opposite

18 hours ago by Leonard  
The accuser, one named Marie-Line Gentes, has a personal grudge against one of Free Dominion users, Bill Whatcott. She can't silence Bill himself, so she's trying to shut down the web forum that gives Bill's posting the biggest exposure ...
Stand Your Ground - http://forlifeandfamily.blogspot.com/
[ More results from Stand Your Ground ]

Fatwah at FD, [cont]

23 hours ago by Dinosaur  
Marie-Line Gentes a wildlife biologist who studied at the University of Saskatchewan and now teaches at Vanier College in Quebec. She obviously has a serious hate on for Bill Whatcott and Free Dominion is caught in the crossfire. ...
Marginalized Action Dinosaur - http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net - References
[ More results from Marginalized Action Dinosaur ]

Free Speech Under Attack: Human Rights Complaint on FreeDominion.ca

24 Jul 2007 by flaggman  
Connie Wilkins, proprietor of FreeDominion.ca, has been served with a complaint by the Human Rights Commission, a complaint initiated by a left-wing rabble-rouser named Marie-Line Gentes. She is being forced to answer for the comments ...
Flaggman's Canada - http://flaggman.wordpress.com

Free Free Dominion!

24 Jul 2007 by Edward Michael George  
Gentes also claims she was discriminated against [remember, she is not a Muslim] due to the appearance of the following posts which she claims appeared at Free Dominion:”. “How many of us pay nothing but lip service to the Muslim ...
Edward Michael George - http://edwardmichaelgeorge.blogspot.com/

A Possible Out for FD

24 Jul 2007 by John Pacheco  
According to Mark Fournier, Ms. Gentes filed the complaint on June 4, 2006. The Canadian Human Rights Commission sat on this for a year. 3) A Tight Deadline, Doncha think? July 16, 2007 File 2006057 Ms. Connie Wilkins c/o Free Dominion ...
socon or Bust - http://socon-or-bust.blogspot.com/
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277 posted on 07/26/2007 7:57:22 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Appreciate all those links.


278 posted on 07/26/2007 8:10:22 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe; All
World Net Daily
Thursday, July 26, 2007

Freedom-snatching Commie-Commissions

Posted: July 26, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Tristan Emmanuel
© 2007

Students of history will have heard of SMERSH. It was a forerunner of the KGB, a Communist Party commissariat under Josef Stalin. SMERSH was empowered to investigate and arrest conspirators and public critics of "the Party" – people living in the former Soviet Union didn't have constitutional freedoms.

More...

279 posted on 07/26/2007 8:23:45 AM PDT by NorthernRight (Liberalism is a mental disorder - Socialism is a mental illness!)
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To: NorthernRight

Thankee- they remind me more of SAVAK or th OGPU...


280 posted on 07/26/2007 9:17:44 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
Somewhat related:


281 posted on 07/26/2007 9:50:14 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
I am still investigating the ability to record these interviews off the air (or live on line) without having to pay for them or download in a proprietary format like iPod.

I hope Freepers are able to post links somewhere to enable all of us to have free copies of these radio and TV interviews.

282 posted on 07/26/2007 11:33:41 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Text of the CHRC instructions to Free Dominion

283 posted on 07/26/2007 4:03:04 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

bump


284 posted on 07/26/2007 9:05:12 PM PDT by Reform Canada (Kyoto=>More Unemployment=>More Poverty=>More Homeless=>More Crime=>More Rape & Murder)
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To: Reform Canada

Thanks for the bump- I’ll have a little more, later.


285 posted on 07/27/2007 2:49:42 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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For your consideration, in light of Free Dominion's plight:

Thought Police English Style
 
Charter flawed
 
Related to "UnFree Dominion's" problems:

About this “hate site”

July 26, 2007 08:35 PM by Michelle Malkin

50 Comments | 2 Trackbacks "Glad to see you calling out the nutroots and liberals, Michelle. We all know the definition of “hate speech” is:

1) Anything said by a conservative. No matter how well-researched, reasoned, or correct. This is double if that conservative happens to be a woman, or African-American, Asian, etc.

2) Anything liberals disagree with.


286 posted on 07/27/2007 3:14:49 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84864&start=60

backhoe wrote:
LAR wrote:
What really bugs me is that my government thinks I'm too stupid to read something and form an intelligent opinion.
Someone posts that Martians are imbedding microchips in our children and I need to be protected from thinking "Oh my! I hate Martians. All Martians should be shot."
Give people some credit for being able to sort through the information in the world.
If what the complainant read makes people hate a group then I guess she now hates that group too.


Exactly.

Since I'm American, I can't presume to speak for you folks Up Nawth- but I'll tell you this:

Like anyone whose legal system is based at its heart on English law, this whole affair appalls me-- I thought the "free, and self-governing citizens of a democratic nation" had certain inalienable rights:

1)- the right to speak freely, without fear, or favor.

2)- the right to assemble- joining those you like, and avoiding those you dislike.

3)- the right to confront your accusers- no Star Chambers, no secret witnesses-- everything above board and transparent.

4)- all people have equal standing before the Law. No person, or favored group, is better than another, or worse.

5)- the truth is an absolute defense- if "the truth" doesn't matter, then neither does "the law"-- this is an open invitation to mob rule and anarchy.

This whole thing reminds me of dictatorships, where the man at the top decides from one day to the next, what "the law" will be- based on a whim.

It is offensive, ghastly, and gruesome to see it played out with people you know- somewhat like witnessing a lynching, and being unable to do anything about it.


backhoe, that's the best response to the CHRC's questions that I have read here. It's the best description of a free society I have seen in a while. ( leewgrant  )

287 posted on 07/27/2007 4:43:27 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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 FD vs. CHRC Strategy Moving Forward - Please read [ 1, 2 ]
 
FD CHRC complaint on Coren
 
Rally for FD, Connie, Mark, and Bill [ 1 ... 12, 13, 14 ]
 
Evidence Collecting in Support of FD's Defence [ 1 ... 6, 7, 8 ]
 
Text of the CHRC instructions to Free Dominion [ 1 ... 3, 4, 5 ]

288 posted on 07/27/2007 10:08:08 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84864&start=60
 
Posted: 27 Jul 2007 16:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few comments from someone who has spent his whole working life dealing with government agencies in one capacity or another. I still deal with the CHRC on general public policy issues (eg, drug and alcohol testing, employment equity) but have not handled an HR complaint in a decade. Over that time there have been substantial changes to their procedures.

First of all this is the big leagues. It's not some fun debate over transubstantiation in the Religion Forum. The Commission will be hoping for cooperation from the respondent but will expect intransigence. If there is a complete lack of cooperation the investigation will still continue based on the posts identified in the complaint and the case will almost certainly go to a tribunal.

I have found that if you approach the invesigators in a business like way they generally respond the same way. If you try to dick them around, they push back and you get a confrontation.

In spite of all the talk about mediation and ADR it's still an adversarial process and give them the minimum you can get away with and tell them only that which they are entitled to know.

Give them what they are legally entitled to get. They will get it anyway. Through subpoena. I know instances of the RCMP showing up in offices and carting filing cabinets away. (Note to Connie and Mark: if there anything you don't want them to see, store it south of the St Lawrence. Now)

In the very, very, few instances I was in the wrong I fessed up and settled. Smile

I would answer their questions. But only with advice of counsel. The first three questions are tricky.

When you have been in as many government investigations as I have you get an early sense of what's a winner and what's a stinker. This is a winner. First of all, I don't see a violation of the CHRA because I can't see any "hate messages" within the intent of the Act. Secondly, the nature of the website needs some flexibility in permitting posting or its ability to be a free exchange ideas breaks down. Often a dubious website is linked, not to demonstrate "hatred and contempt" but to illustrate a legitimate point the poster was making. Often Bill does this, as do others.

Final note: I know that I have been critical on occasion of the way the site has been run but not, I hope, to the point of obnoxiousness. I've tried to restrain myself since it's not my site, not my ass on the line when things go wrong. The owner of the site has to have the final say in running it.

Now we have a problem. The site is run well, all legitimate opinions are allowed even those contrary to the principles on which the site was founded - something that definitely can't said about all discussion sites. There is no charge to be a member - and all contributions are voluntary.

I would like to add my voice to the many others to point out that Mark and Connie need our help. And let's give them our help any way we can - and give hell to the bastards that are trying to ruin this website that we all enjoy so much. ( leewgrant )

289 posted on 07/27/2007 4:31:33 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe
Michael Coren TV show discussed the Human Rights Commission's investigation of FD. http://media.putfile.com/Freedominion

The panelists included 2 lefties against Menzies and Coren. A heated exchange, but very good. Both lefties were all for the investigation, Menzies and Coren defended their case very well. Coren distanced himself from Whatcott though.

Those two lefty commissars are awful shrews.

They sure shut their yaps pretty quick when Menzies brought up some anti-Jew conference that the female "activist" had attended.

Ok for them to speak their minds, not for others though.

Here it is: http://media.putfile.com/Freedominion

290 posted on 07/27/2007 4:59:00 PM PDT by NorthernRight (Liberalism is a mental disorder - Socialism is a mental illness!)
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To: NorthernRight
Those two lefty commissars are awful shrews. They sure shut their yaps pretty quick when Menzies brought up some anti-Jew conference that the female "activist" had attended.

I've long noted.

"Scratch a Leftist, and you will find a fascist inside..."

( Good Gawd! I have the video running in the background- those voices! My ears! Aeehh! )

291 posted on 07/28/2007 3:39:06 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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--more-

From North America's most popular Catholic website:
http://www.catholicexchange.com/node/64145

292 posted on 07/28/2007 6:38:25 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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"A Free Dominion" Declaration
 


A Free Dominion

July 18, 2007

We, the undersigned Canadians, declare our firm and unequivocal support for free speech.

We categorically reject any effort on the part of the government or any of its organs to limit free expression of opinion on any issue, except in the case where there is a clear communication to do physical harm to another person or group of persons.

We affirm that controversial opinions are a constituent part of a healthy and vibrant democracy, and that to silence any opinion, however seemingly offensive to any member of the public, is harmful to a free and open society.

We believe that Canadians themselves, and not unelected quasi-judicial bodies, will decide which ideas are advanced and which ideas are rejected in forming the values and laws of our country. We believe that government should not intrude in this dialogue between Canadians and among Canadians.

We believe that free speech should not be fined or taxed because it does not meet the requirements of government bureaucracies. We believe that Canadians should not live under the yoke of intimidation and threats when they seek to speak their minds on the issues of vital importance to the future and security of our nation.

We believe that every Canadian is entitled to due process under the law if a complaint is lodged against him or her. We believe that truth is a defense against any and all allegations. We believe that without the acknowledgement of the truth, there can be no justice or peace in Canada.

In the matter of the complaint registered against Ms. Connie Wilkins and FreeDominion.ca regarding so-called “hate” speech:

- We categorically and completely reject that the cited material in question is in any way “hateful”. Many of us who own websites have posted the material (in whole or in part) on our own websites.

- We consider the complaint a frivolous and political tool of a bankrupt ideology which, if accepted, will have far reaching and destructive consequences for freedom of speech for all Canadians, irrespective of their political views.

- We consider any fine or sanction whatsoever against Ms. Wilkins or any other relevant party in this complaint to be a defeat for Canadian civil liberties.

- We respectfully request an immediate dismissal of this frivolous complaint and we ask that the complainant apologize to Ms. Wilkins and her family for the unnecessary pain and suffering which this ordeal has caused them.

Signatories:

_____________________

Comments and suggestions please.

We can have 4 sets of signatures to this petition:

Canadian:
1) Conservatives
2) Liberals
3) "Other"

4) International
 
When did opinions get outlawed? ***
 
Internet censorship spreading: OSCE study
 

293 posted on 07/28/2007 9:37:40 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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FREE DOMINION'S OWNERS TIE THE KNOT! PICS

294 posted on 07/28/2007 4:39:41 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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FREE DOMINION'S OWNERS TIE THE KNOT! PICS [ 1, 2, 3, 4 ]
 
 July 28, 2007 - Connie and ESquared tie the knot! [ 1 ... 12, 13, 14 ]
 
 TODAY IS THE BIG DAY [ 1, 2, 3, 4 ]

295 posted on 07/29/2007 4:24:42 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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BTW, some of the best writing about the attack on Free Dominion has come from member Theresa:
 
Not in order:
 
 I find this to be so appalling that I am at a loss for words. Our tax dollars pay the salaries of these people and this system. This is inhumane to do this to someone, policy and procedure, cover my butt, before treating my fellow human being like a person. Meanwhile you have to wait and worry plus look after your children your home and the rest.

Canada what have we done to ourselves?

Did a better democracy exist then this great country before this nonsense took hold of our country?

Was my grandfather buried alive at Vimy Ridge for this Canada?

Did my husband lose a part of his father, because he fought in Europe for four years defeating Nazis, for this Canada?

Do you people on the left appreciate the sacrifices that have been made for you, by those who fought and by those who loved the ones who fought, to live in freedom you have enjoyed. Now you live in prosperity and you want to take those same freedoms from others?

I truly feel like walking away from the whole mess of the world and living my life quietly and as best that I can. If this country wants to be so stupid and whiny then let the chips fall where they may. It will not be pretty when those chips fall. I guarantee you that the people of today who cannot handle offensive speech, will not be able to handle a real fight to protect their country when anarchy breaks loose.

So many of my hopes were put on Harper to change some if this nonsense and he does not seem too concerned about principled conservatives, a little lip service here and there. Where can a person turn? I have been worried about this charge since it broke. Worried for you personally Connie and Mark, selfishly worried for myself, and worried for our country and our freedom of expression.

As paycheck stated, everyone will be a little more careful because somebody is watching and listening ready to silence their opponents. Is this the country we want? To be treated as children. To whisper so nobody can hear what we really think? Do you lefties actually think that you can suppress thought after you have suppressed the speech you do not like?

RSF, I truly do not mean to pick on you, but you are a prime example of a leftie. A truly nice person, with a sense of humor and fun, but you do not seem to handle anyone saying anything that you construe as criticism or rude to your person. What kind of life is that? This is what happens when you live in an insulated world of phony politeness, and political correctness. You do not learn to defend yourself or to identify with anything substantive. Its like overprotecting a child when they are young and they do not build an immune system to fight off the serious attacks when they are older. I truly hope that you stick around and let the men and women here toughen you up, you will become a happier person I am sure.
 
This is actually scarier then I originally thought it would be. A person can put people through this mess both emotionally and financially, (you already need lawyers) because she feels discriminated against by a comment that has no association with her person in any way shape or form. Is this for real? Unbelievable. I am truly stunned.

How much money do we Canadians pay for the HRC?
 
... This is whole ordeal is nuts, this is further reason the CPC will not get a dime from me until they cleanup wasted spending like this.

I woke up this morning asking myself how dare this woman waste our money like this. She found Bill on a public forum she could have debated him fair and square, she has the educational credentials , surely she can engage in a debate. No she remains hidden and brings a case like this to the CHRC.

How dare the CHRC waste our money like this by proceeding with this frivolous case?

This is insanity. We have Canadian men dying in Afghanistan, fighting the extreme version of Islam, and people at home behaving like this Gentes, trying to suppress a fellow Canadians freedom to speak.

To have an effect, can everyone reading this send out the link to this blog or any blog that sums up this case to your personal email list, especially conservative members?


http://www.tiny.cc/Aq3KR
 
...This is actually scarier then I originally thought it would be. A person can put people through this mess both emotionally and financially, (you already need lawyers) because she feels discriminated against by a comment that has no association with her person in any way shape or form. Is this for real? Unbelievable. I am truly stunned.

How much money do we Canadians pay for the HRC?
 
 

296 posted on 07/29/2007 6:04:09 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1026212#1026212
 
Marc Lemire:
 
The Canadian Human Rights Commission is out of control. Plain and Simple.

I am a current victim of Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and have been under going a three year legal battle with them, due to a message board I had on my website (www.freedomsite.org) back in 2003. Not a single word I have written is at issue, but rather messages others posted (that I did not even know about) As part of my vigorous defence, I have challenged the Constitutionality of Section 13 (Internet gag law) and Section 54 (fines) of the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Here is a few statistics from my case that tells the whole story about the CHRC:

Active and Past cases: 43
Cases the tribunal ruled on: 29

• 0% of respondents have ever won a section 13 case before the tribunal.
• 100% of cases have Whites as respondents
• 98% of cases have poor or working class respondents
• 90.7% of respondents are not represented by lawyers
• So far, $80,500 has been awarded in fines and special compensation since May 9, 2003.
• 72.4% of complaints specifically identify "jews" as victims.
• 48.8% of all cases (Past and active) are by Richard Warman



So far the case against me has run for 25 hearing days, and Marc Lemire’s team has called 3 expert witnesses, 2 witnesses and subpoenaed 3 witnesses from the Canadian Human Rights Commission.


The Constitutional motion my lawyers have filed and my entire case have been posted on my website.

http://www.freedomsite.org/legal

Constitutional Motion:
http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/dec13-05_writeup-on-case.html
 
 The misnamed Canadian “Human Rights” Commission is currently undertaking a ideologically-driven war against speech and political commentary on the Internet. They are self-righteous censors that care little about removing so-called “hate” from the Internet, but want to silence and harass political activists, who dare to question issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and homosexuality.

297 posted on 07/30/2007 3:11:38 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Canadian Human Rights Commission abuses Section 37 of law

http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/june11-07_chrc_abuses_section_37.html


It’s all out war in the Marc Lemire Internet case. The Canadian Human Rights Commission, like some mobster in a U.S. trial who keep invoking the Fifth Amendment, is trying to keep the veil of secrecy wrapped tight around its spying operations on Canadian Internet dissidents. It’s tool of choice is Section 37 of the Canada Evidence Act.


Section 37 reads:

“A Minister of the Crown in right of Canada or other official may object to the disclosure of information before a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information by certifying orally or in writing to the court, person or body that the information should not be disclosed on the grounds of a specified public interest. If an objection is made under subsection (1), the court, person or body shall ensure that the information is not disclosed other than in accordance with this Act.”


“Public interest” is a sweeping catch-all and can include the safety of any person. The mischievous effect of invoking these magic words – “Section 37” – is that the information cannot be revealed or the question even asked. The only route of appeal is to a Federal Court and that’s where the Marc Lemire Defence Team is now headed.



Cover-up? You bet!

We know, according to Richard Warman’s testimony in Warman v. Jessica Beaumont that a page was downloaded from Stormfront using the sign-in name ”Jadewarr.” Warman testified that he was not “Jadewarr” but that the document was downloaded in his presence by the Commission. When Marc Lemire’s attorney Barbara Kulaszka asked CHRC investigator Dean Steacy whether he knew who “Jadewarr” was, Commission lawyer Giacomo Vigna squelched as answer by invoking Sec. 37.



Similarly, when Miss Kulaszka asked Mr. Steacy whether he’d ever signed on to a political message board and made postings, Mr. Vigna used Sec. 37 to prevent an answer. We know that “Jadewarr” extensively discussed Sec. 13.1 complaints with people on Stormfront and has even tried to engage victim/Respondent Marc Lemire in conversations – perhaps to entrap him?



The Member (Judge) in this Tribunal lawyer Athanasios Hadjis of Montreal expressed serious reservations at Vigna’s wholesale use of Sec. 37 and all but invited the Defence to challenge Vigna in Federal Court: “Don't say it's privilege. It's not privilege, it's 37. It is a large tool that you have chosen to use, and I hope that one day the Federal Court has a chance to assess it.”





Quotes from Member (Judge) in the Marc Lemire case

Athanasios Hadjis



I am asking for some discretion to be utilized by the single party that has this tool in this room.

Transcripts, Page 4429





MR. VIGNA: Mr. Chair, I would raise an objection, again, in terms of the relevance, and also under section 37. This is an ongoing investigation, so section 37 would be --

…..

MS KULASZKA: I don't think that question in any way threatens the Commission.

THE CHAIRPERSON: No, it doesn't. I am going to allow that question. If there is a problem with that, ask somebody upstairs.

Transcripts, Page 4714





But I see your point, Ms Kulaszka. You want to know, if you resolve on 52, is 37 still -- is that sword of Damocles still hanging over your head.

Transcripts, Page: 4388










Amazingly, in the Warman v. Glenn Bahr and Western Canada for Us Tribunal, when Paul Fromm asked Sgt. Stephen Camp whether “Estate” was an Edmonton Police Officer, Sec. 37 was not invoked. Camp eventually admitted “Estate” who had posted inflammatory and racist comments on Stormfront was a police officer. [Subsequently, in Glenn Bahr’s preliminary hearing on Sec. 319 – “hate” – charges, Camp came clean and admitted he was “Estate”]



In the Bahr case, acting as his agent, I originally asked, about the identity of “Estate.” There was a bit of an argument. Camp refused to answer. Vigna them talked about "Section 38 of the Canada Evidence Act" but did not invoke it. More discussion ensued over whether the question was relevant. After it was ruled relevant by Tribunal Charperson Julie Lloyd, Camp returned to testify on the following Monday. During Constable Camps testimony, he revealed that “Estate” was an Edmonton police officer, but refused to identify which officer it was.



The only reference to Section 37 came from. RICHARD WARMAN who said this:



MR. WARMAN: -- the last point I would make is that Sergeant Camp over the break has had an opportunity to speak with his colleagues and superiors at the Edmonton Police Service as well as others -- I won't go into -- he has had a chance to confirm that there are no further ongoing issues in relation to -- we won't be continuing with the Section 37 Canada Evidence Act objection. ( Warman v. Bahr and Western Canada for Us transcript, page 683)



Interestingly, Warman doesn't continue the objection!!! Objections under Section 37 of the Canada Evidence Act can only be invoked and certified by “A Minister of the Crown in right of Canada or other official” Just what on earth is going on here? Does Richard Warman represent a Minister of the Crown or other official? If so why it this not revealed? During most of the testimony Richard Warman has done, he has testified he is doing this on his own initiative, and has no “special relationship” with the Canadian Human Rights Commission.



We are battling a secrecy obsessed Canadian Human Rights Commission bent on throttling dissent on the Internet and equally determined to keep Canadians in the dark about their spy operations. They have all the money and resources. We need your help in this ongoing battle.
 

http://www.freedomsite.org/legal

Constitutional Motion:
http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/dec13-05_writeup-on-case.html
 
 The misnamed Canadian “Human Rights” Commission is currently undertaking a ideologically-driven war against speech and political commentary on the Internet. They are self-righteous censors that care little about removing so-called “hate” from the Internet, but want to silence and harass political activists, who dare to question issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and homosexuality.
 
 Witchhunt on the Hill
 
Is there a moral equivalence between FD and Israr Ahmad?
 
Montreal Simon doesn't like FD [ 1, 2, 3 ]

298 posted on 07/30/2007 3:39:11 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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This just in:

“Beware of this Marc Lemire Guy

He’s a Stormfront Poster, and some would call him a racialist and anti-semite.
Believe me, you don’t want to associate your name or FD’s with his.”

Backhoe notes:
Duly noted, and passed on for your consideration.

But also note well- censor one side and the others will follow— where do you draw the line?

Let everyone speak, and the average Joe and Jane can separate the Kooks & Moonbats from those who deserve consideration.

Let the government censor speech, and pretty soon only those parroting the Gooberment line will be saying “unhate speech.”

Double-Plus Good, Comrade, err, I mean “citizen...”


299 posted on 07/30/2007 3:50:47 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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Support for FD website to be launched
300 posted on 07/30/2007 9:30:14 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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