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Free Dominion faces possible Human Rights attack

Posted on 07/18/2007 9:48:39 PM PDT by Reform Canada

It appears someone has launched a complaint against free dominion with the Canadian Human rights tribunal.

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada
KEYWORDS: canada; freedominion; freepers; homosexualagenda; humanrightstribunal; nau; northamericanunion
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To: sageb1

Thank you- I will pass those on.


41 posted on 07/19/2007 9:24:26 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Thanks. I’d go myself as I’m registered there, but my computer is showing me as not logged in to Free Dominion and I can’t remember right this minute what ID/email addy I used to register.


42 posted on 07/19/2007 9:34:52 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: backhoe

It looks like the date of the letter and the demand deadline for response is totally unresonably brief.

I would think that this sort of improper service and demand would be cause for all sorts of extensions and demands for details by their attorney.

Have they said if they have secured one yet?

I tried to skim all the pages but didn’t see that mentioned.


43 posted on 07/19/2007 9:37:21 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: KC Burke

Last I saw, they were still trying to get through on the phone to an actual person at this CHRC office where the letter originated. A member of FD did post this:

I have talked to a lawyer with a VERY large federally regulated employer. She has worked 20 years dealing with human rights and has handled 500 or so complaints.

She said the CHRC must provide you with:

The section of the act allegedly violated.
The nature of the complaint
The complaint as provided by the complainant to the CHRC.

She says DO NOT respond to the complaint until you have ALL the info you are entitled to. Meet with the investigator first if you have to.


44 posted on 07/19/2007 9:50:25 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Sweet!


45 posted on 07/19/2007 10:05:30 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: backhoe
Like big government anywhere, they look to have quite a complex river to navigate.

When FR went through its first legal difficulties it was fortunate that we had some people to get us started in the right direction. I hope they plan out issues of fees and that sort of stuff as legal assistance can mount up to a lot of hourly charges if you just leave it on that basis and the parties at both ends of the relationship can end up very disappointed with the costs or reimbursement, as we all saw in our case.

46 posted on 07/19/2007 10:15:30 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: mkjessup
Looks like the time has come to move those Free Dominion servers OUT of Canada.

And into Fresno...

47 posted on 07/19/2007 10:20:26 AM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: goldstategop
Freedominion needs us all to rally and support them.
48 posted on 07/19/2007 10:51:11 AM PDT by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: styky
Freedominion needs us all to rally and support them.

Amen!
I have been trying to keep this thread bumped, and also trying to get into Free Dominion, but I can't remember my password and am waiting for login help.

I'm in for $5 a month forever, if that's what it takes to slap these losers down. If 10,000 other Freepers do likewise, FD can have some first class legal help.

49 posted on 07/19/2007 10:56:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

I’ll be starting a legal defense thread very soon

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1017680#1017680


50 posted on 07/19/2007 11:06:56 AM PDT by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“More evidence that true civil rights are weak in Canada.”

I don’t think they have rights to speak any longer in Canada. And it is coming to this country at fast clip. If someone on freedominion simply said “Homosexuality is bad” then the government can come and shut them down.


51 posted on 07/19/2007 11:12:08 AM PDT by Revel
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To: FormerACLUmember

The phrases “civil rights” and “human rights” have been so abused that they no longer mean anything except in the Orwellian sense...


52 posted on 07/19/2007 11:23:01 AM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: styky

“I’ll be starting a legal defense thread very soon

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1017680#1017680


An “I’ll be watching for it” BTTT^


53 posted on 07/19/2007 11:42:40 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Publius6961

We got our own Charter (constitution) in 1982, which was when we became completely free from Britain, until then we couldn’t amend our constitution. The First Amendment is coverd in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as is innocent until proven guilty, which we have always had, much the same as the U.S., as a carryover from British Law.

I’ve checked out Free Dominion, but I’ve been too busy posting here to get involved :P

I definitely think we should help them out.


54 posted on 07/19/2007 12:10:01 PM PDT by oakcon
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To: Publius6961

Eddie Greenspan did a fairly good job of defending Conrad Black, and he’s one of our best trial lawyers. Costs a fortune of course.


55 posted on 07/19/2007 12:11:54 PM PDT by oakcon
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To: oakcon

That’s big bucks


56 posted on 07/19/2007 12:59:29 PM PDT by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: styky; All

The word is going out-
( hattip:SUZANNE )

Source link:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360

Free Dominion’s light shines strong
By Judi McLeod
Thursday, July 19, 2007

In a world where increasingly powerful politically correct times can wipe out the work of a lifetime overnight, a chill runs down even the bravest human spine when the Human Rights investigator comes to call.

“We have been waiting for six and a half years and the day has finally arrived, somebody is going to try to silence Free Dominion using the Canadian Human Rights Commission,” writes Free Dominion website owner Connie Wilkins.

Arriving like the proverbial freight train, a letter, which appears to have been written on official Canadian Human Rights Commission letterhead stationary, demands quicksilver response. Indeed, a check on the date indicates that the defendant was supposed to have responded to it on the day of the letter’s arrival.

The letter reveals the last name of the complainant but gives absolutely no details regarding the nature of the complaint.

So without even knowing what the complaint is, Ms. Wilkins will have to hire herself a lawyer and spend time defending herself.

The system came crashing into her life and the freight train will remain in the front room of her house for the foreseeable future.

In a leftwing dominated Canadian media, Free Dominion provides a voice for Conservatives. Conservatives, whose political leaders seem to be coming on as Liberals.

As someone posted to Free Dominin today: “I can’t decide (if) this is legitimate or not, but either way it’s a pretty pathetic excuse for due process. A “full response” in less than two days to an unspecified complaint??? Come ON!”

“Liberals don’t like opposing opinions. If it doesn’t fit with their own thoughts, then it should be silenced. How typical,” lamented another.

Perhaps it was bureaucratic oversight rather than political agenda that Human Rights officials did not send the complaint to the accused. Surely any Canadian body would not seek to make doubly sure the defendant couldn’t possibly meet their deadline!

What is happening to Free Dominion takes me all the way back to 1992 when my monthly newspaper Toronto Free Press, then known as Our Toronto was called before the Mayor’s Committee on Race Relations.

Our then Socialist associate editor Michael Lockey had written a parody on a Premier Bob Rae song called “We’re All in the Same Boat Now. Although was something of a political animal, Lockey’s Our Toronto columns were based on local history and humour. He had lost a bitter New Democrat Party nomination against NDP giant Jack Layton and ran in an unsuccessful bid as Toronto mayor. When we took him on we thought someone else “picking” on Smilin’ Jack besides Judi McLeod would take us over the line of overkill.

Then Coun. Rob Maxwell had brought the charges against Our Toronto before the committee. As far as we could make out, Lockey crossed the racist line when he said there was no black and white in the rainbow.

My arrival at City Hall as a branded racist remains indelible in my memory. Our Toronto volunteers, (Bless them!) of all colours and ethnicities refused to let me take it alone.

I had worked for days on the response, which I was convinced, would clear Our Toronto’s name.

None of the volunteers was allowed to speak and incredibly, when I was called before the judge and tried to explain that I had people who were willing to speak out on my behalf, not the least of whom was Michael Lockey, the judge repeatedly told me: “Shut up and sit down!”

I think he likely meant, “Silent, sit down!”

Completely overwhelmed, I stood there mute with my lawyer shouting at me from the background, “Judi, make him tell you what the charges are!”

We never did find out and only months later came to understand that city councillors had decided that our publication should not be available at every police station during monthly delivery. (Eventually the cops fought it and won). Our Toronto was only one publication available at local police stations.

It was my first real personal taste of what can happen when you get caught up in the system. People believe you are a racist only for having been branded one.

But by a strange coincidence we missed the drubbing expected from the mainstream media.

As things were to turn out, the same night we were before the committee, Toronto cyclists looking for grants decided to sing their requests to city councillors meeting in their chamber. That was real news and that night’s television coverage featured the cyclists in full Pavarotti form.

Our Toronto’s encounter with the down the hall Mayor’s Committee on Race Relations, was presented almost as an afterthought. Purple with rage by the time he was able to stand before the judge, Lockey was giving His Honour a real dressing down about the unfairness of branding good people as racists, when city TV caught up with proceedings.

City TV presented the story as the diverse goings on at Toronto City Hall, with one clip of the cyclists singing like angels and another of Lockey looking angry as a devil. The message? Don’t go calling Our Toronto racists because they sure know how to defend themselves.

Free Dominion is in a vulnerable position. Connie and company continue to allow Conservatism an unwavering voice. Anyone with the courage to do that is destined to find trouble.

In Connie’s words: “Somebody has likely decided that because they can’t defeat some argument presented by someone at Free Dominion they will instead try to silence the whole site. It isn’t going to work.”

Discouraged and lost, some people walk away at the first sign of trouble.

Not Connie Wilkins. She stands tall as the Sequoia.

“We will be keeping everybody posted on each development as it occurs. If this persecution actually proceeds it will not be under the cover of darkness, we will keep a very bright light shining every step of the way.”

Connie’s bright light burns bright. Let’s shine all of our lights on Connie.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/judi071907.htm


57 posted on 07/19/2007 1:13:04 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Allan

b.


58 posted on 07/19/2007 2:27:44 PM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Revel
“More evidence that true civil rights are weak in Canada.” I don’t think they have rights to speak any longer in Canada. And it is coming to this country at fast clip. If someone on freedominion simply said “Homosexuality is bad” then the government can come and shut them down.

LOL.......quite a exaggeration, you should visit some threads about homosexuality at FD and see for yourself...... LOL

59 posted on 07/19/2007 3:06:35 PM PDT by free_life
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To: All
This just in:
 
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07071907.html

Canada's Human Rights Commission Used to Target Conservative Website With "Hate Speech"
Free Dominion website not yet given any details

By Peter J. Smith

OTTAWA, July 19, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Free Dominion, Canadian conservative web forum, has been targeted via the Canada's Human Rights Commission (HRC) over allegations the conservative site promotes "hate speech."

"We have been waiting for six and a half years and the day has finally arrived, somebody is going to try to silence Free Dominion using the Canadian Human Rights Commission," Mark Fourier quipped in posting the letter. "Somebody has likely decided that because they can't defeat some argument presented by someone at Free Dominion they will instead try to silence the whole site. It isn't going to work."

A redacted copy of the letter sent by the HRC has been posted on the Free Dominion website (freedominion.ca) informing the conservative site of the complaint and that it has the option to settle before the investigation proceeds further. (http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457)

While the right of citizens to exercise free speech used to be a hallmark of free democracies, Canada's Human Rights Commissions have taken to determining what ideas Canadian citizens may communicate with each other or with whom Canadians may freely associate.

Connie Wilkins of Free Dominion spoke with LifeSiteNews.com about the human rights complaint filed with the HRC by a certain"Ms. Gentes" accusing the site of promoting "hate speech" although the HRC has refused to say what protected groups are offended.

Wilkins told LifeSiteNews.com that the HRC claimed it sent the full complaint via Canada Post on June 9 with signature required. However, Free Dominion had received no word of this complaint until yesterday evening, when they received a second letter from the HRC telling them to respond to the complaint of "Ms. Gentes" by July 18, the very day they were required to respond.

After explaining the situation to an HRC official, Wilkins was told only that Free Dominion was accused of "hate speech" under Sec. 13 of the Human Rights Act and that they would resend the original complaint. While the officer said there were specifics in the complaint, he refused to mention them and said they would be found in the original complaint which they should receive Monday.

"It's frightening," Wilkins said commenting on the way the HRC has used allegations of "hate speech" to shut down the viewpoints of conservatives and Christians, such as Christian printer Scott Brockie and other individuals with smaller resources to defend themselves than Free Dominion. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/apr/04041604.html)

Wilkins explained that Free Dominion (freedominion.ca) is "an online meeting place for conservatives across the country to get together, strategise, plan, and do everything."

"They prefer it when conservatives are isolated from one another and can't talk and organise" to oppose the leftist agenda, Wilkins continued. One Free Dominion project was helping organise Canadians to vote to abolish abortion as the number one wish for the CBC's Great Canadian Wish Contest done in cooperation with Facebook. (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07070305.html)

"I think the most significant thing about this is how much in the dark we are being kept," said Wilkins. "I mean you would think that if you're being charged with something and there is an allegation against, the first thing that they would do is tell you."

"There have been a lot of people rallying around us already," said Wilkins. "I think that it will be good if people start reporting this and show what the [Human Rights Commissions] do. A lot of Canadians don't realise this. They hear hate crimes laws and think that's a really good thing. They don't understand it's used as a club."

Wilkins said Free Dominion will fight the complaint all the way.

60 posted on 07/19/2007 3:47:01 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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