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Houston tycoon finds himself in the cross hairs
Houston Chronicle -NYTimes of the South ^ | July 19, 2007, 6:34AM | TOM FOWLER

Posted on 07/19/2007 10:24:04 AM PDT by TexasCajun

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To: TexasCajun

Actually, although it might be distasteful to some (including me), it’s hard imagine a more thrilling hunting experience than big-game hunting.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tr.htm


21 posted on 07/19/2007 10:52:08 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Alter Kaker

He is the “Big Man” in Texas Republican Party. It’s said he has over 3500 mounts, kinda of spooky having that many staring at you.


22 posted on 07/19/2007 10:54:50 AM PDT by Orange1998 (4 Real)
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To: TexasCajun

Why doesnt the Ole Man just buy an Apache or Hind Helicopter Gunship - he could Kill Animals year round.

Dan Dancun is not Hunting -nhe’s Killing game (What a Moron)...


23 posted on 07/19/2007 10:55:24 AM PDT by GoShow (Carlos Mexico?)
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To: Aggie Mama

Going into the tall grass after a Cape buffalo requires gonads that clang when you walk. I wouldn’t be surprized, however, if Duncan didn’t shoot some of this “record” game during an evening trip to the San Antonio Zoo.


24 posted on 07/19/2007 10:58:05 AM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah! for the Bonney Blue Flag that bears the Single Star!)
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To: TexasCajun

Taxidermy addicts have some loose screws, but probably no more than gun-grabbers or nature-Nazis.

Unfortunately for Mister Duncan, it’s much safer for feds to criminalize easy targets than to target hard criminals. They get headlines for going after someone of means, when “the little people” would be better served if they spent that energy busting gangs, smugglers or corrupt politicians. His hobby will cost him much more time & money before this is over.


25 posted on 07/19/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by WestTexasWend (NO OIL FOR APPEASERS)
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To: TexasCajun

I think that you hit the nail right on the head. While people on this thread are denouncing this guy because of his methods, I’d like to know just how and why these sorts of charges can be brought against a man who may or may not have broken laws in another country, while the charges have nothing to do with what actually happened. The Lacy act doesn’t seem to apply to this case, but that’s what he’s being charged with.

Mark


26 posted on 07/19/2007 10:58:46 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: jonascord
"and shoot it from 30 feet away"

He said the helicopter was about 10 feet off the ground and 75 to 100 yards away when he hit the moose using a .300 Winchester Magnum rifle.

Where did you get '30' feet?
27 posted on 07/19/2007 10:59:25 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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"What the hell is the U.S.' interest in bringing felony charges here for hunting on Russian soil, where not one single person has complained?" Hardin said Wednesday. "Is this really the best use of our prosecutorial resources?"

That's exactly what I'd like to know? Our Justice Department could serve Americans better if they were out there prosecuting employers who hire illegal aliens.

28 posted on 07/19/2007 11:01:55 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: TexasCajun

Can I ask a dumb question? Isn’t there a statute of limitations since this took place in 2002 and just started being investigated last year?


29 posted on 07/19/2007 11:04:50 AM PDT by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: MarkL
"...I’d like to know just how and why these sorts of charges can be brought against a man who may or may not have broken laws in another country...

I suppose if I were really bent, I could go to Arabia, pay someone some money and lop off some hands and heads. Or maybe Thailand, and rape some baby boys. After all, it's not like I would have broken the laws of the United States...

Perhaps you might want to think on this a little more.

30 posted on 07/19/2007 11:07:26 AM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah! for the Bonney Blue Flag that bears the Single Star!)
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'...he said...' 'I did not have sex with that woman' 'The check is in the mail'

A moose is just going to stand there, with a hovering helicopter 75 yards away. Can I interest you in a Nigerian bank account?

31 posted on 07/19/2007 11:12:23 AM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah! for the Bonney Blue Flag that bears the Single Star!)
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To: TexasCajun
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKcwpM3Xw

I bet he does not shoot animals form the backs of elephants....

32 posted on 07/19/2007 11:13:08 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Al Gore is Soylent Green!)
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To: Aggie Mama
I don't see much difference in shooting a water-buffalo and a cow.

If a water-buffalo was worth eating I doubt there would be any left roaming the African plains.

33 posted on 07/19/2007 11:15:46 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: MarkL
Yes, the thread is focusing on the man and his hunting and not so much on the federal government going after him for his action 4 years ago in another country.

Sorta like going to Canada, buying and smoking a couple of Cuban cigars (legally) then being federally prosecuted upon your return for breaking the Cuban embargo.

34 posted on 07/19/2007 11:24:08 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Be careful what you say in front of BIG BROTHER.
The Gestapo might not be pleased.


35 posted on 07/19/2007 11:25:18 AM PDT by Bon mots
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Then it would be Arabia or Thailands responsibility to prosecute you. There are these little things called JURISDICTION and NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY you see. That means that the people who actualy LIVE in a country get to determine what’s legal there... and when to prosecute some-one or not.

I certainly wouldn’t call what he did hunting (and I’m a lifelong hunter) but it’s upto the Russians to determine if what he did IN THIER COUNTRY was illegal or not....and if the say not, we have no business prosecuting him for it here.


36 posted on 07/19/2007 11:27:13 AM PDT by Grumpy_Mel (Humans are resources - Soilent Green is People!)
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To: TexasCajun
What authority does our government have to try someone for a violation of Russian law? He is a US citizen and is subject to our laws, but our laws don't make it illegal to shoot game from a helicopter.

The Lacy Act prohibits the transportation of illegally captured or prohibited animals across state lines. It appears that prosecutors are trying to say that his trophies from the hunt are illegally captured animals. However, how can it be determined if they were illegally captured without a trial? At the same time, our courts have no authority to try him for violating Russian law, so unless the Russian courts decide to charge him or someone else with illegally capturing these animals, try them, and get a conviction, then our government has no basis to charge him.

It is a violation of due process. He is being treated as guilty of committing a crime in Russia without being tried.

The government needs to pay for the cost of his defense and fire the prosecutors.

37 posted on 07/19/2007 11:28:07 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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...but our laws don't make it illegal to shoot game from a helicopter

Not in Texas! ....maybe where you live?

38 posted on 07/19/2007 11:30:19 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: jonascord
I suppose if I were really bent, I could go to Arabia, pay someone some money and lop off some hands and heads. Or maybe Thailand, and rape some baby boys. After all, it's not like I would have broken the laws of the United States...

Actually you would have broken the laws of the United States. Those things are illegal here in the United States and as a US citizen, you can be prosecuted here in the US for doing such things outside the US.

However, shooting such animals from a helicopter isn't illegal here. It may not be very sporting, but it's not illegal here.

Therefore it's up to the Russians to decide if they want to charge him and try him. However, until he's tried and convicted, those animals were not killed illegally. He is innocent until proven guilty. Therefore our government has no basis for charging him for bringing illegally captured animals across state lines.

The assertion that those animals were killed illegally must be proven in court, and our government has no authority to try him for that alleged crime. Whatever happened to due process?

39 posted on 07/19/2007 11:43:24 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: TexasCajun

Was the helicopter’s headlights on during the ‘hunt’?


40 posted on 07/19/2007 11:47:50 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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