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Kerry: No Bloodbath In Vietnam After US Redeployment (What dimension is this guy in)
BreitBart TV ^ | 7-19-2007 | John Kerry

Posted on 07/19/2007 12:35:59 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds

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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

30 Apr 75 Saigon surrenders.
Apr-Aug 75 Per UC Berkeley demographer, Jacqueline Desbarats’ article “Repression in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam: Executions and Population Relocation,” research show an extremely strong probability that at least 65,000 Vietnamese perished as victims of political executions in the eight years after Saigon fell.

http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history/1975_present_postwar/the_aftermath_1975_1978.htm


51 posted on 07/19/2007 1:17:10 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: Yo-Yo
A John F. Kerry school of higher education...


52 posted on 07/19/2007 1:19:53 PM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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RE: Kerry says few, if any, suffered In Vietnam After US "Redeployment"

What dimension is this guy in?

It's more like a time-warp thing.

The ultra-liberals (and beyond) of Mr. Kerry's age and ilk cannot accept that the MSM no longer set the agenda, define what is news, what the issues are, what "facts" are -- the MSM no longer are the gatekeepers.

Yes MSM employees behave as I remember them from the 1960s and 70s, they will back what the Kerrys say or simply spike the story. The poor dolts.

This is the 21st Century and we have a free press again!

53 posted on 07/19/2007 1:23:08 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
"Apparently he forgot about the 2 million that died in the Killing Fields."

That was Cambodia, and doesn't count according to Kerry, except of course, unless he's telling his Christmas in Cambodia story.

54 posted on 07/19/2007 1:24:03 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
I guess it helps him sleep at night.....however, for many others the end result of our countries actions made their sleep permanent....

Thank God this man did not win the Presidency....Thank God....
55 posted on 07/19/2007 1:24:29 PM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: Right Cal Gal
I think there is a delusional part of Kerry that really, really, believes that the Dumbocrats will come to him in the next few months and beg him to run for President again.

**************

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if you were right.

56 posted on 07/19/2007 1:24:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: goldstategop
plus it dovetails nicely with his great skills as a prognosticator

From the Dick Cavett show - 06/71

"The true fact of the matter is, Dick, that there's absolutely no guarantee that there would be a bloodbath.... However, I think the arguments clearly indicate that there probably wouldn't be.... I think that it's really kind of a baiting argument. There is no interest on the part of the North Vietnamese to try to massacre the people once people have agreed to withdraw...

I realize that there would be certain political assassinations, and that might take place...I think to talk about four or five thousand people is lunacy in terms of the overall argument and what we're seeking in Southeast Asia."


57 posted on 07/19/2007 1:26:01 PM PDT by stylin19a (Don't buy a putter until you have had a chance to throw it.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I cannot even imagine how bad the alternative to Bush in’04 could have been. I’m still glad I voted for Bush even with the whole attempted immigration/border fiasco.


58 posted on 07/19/2007 1:26:42 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

technically that wasn’t in Vietnam. there were re-education camps and some executions, but the real disaster was in cambodia with the Khymer Rouge, who were actually deposed by the Vietnamese commies in 1979


59 posted on 07/19/2007 1:26:49 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
I have been so disappointed in President Bush about the out of control spening, the Amnesty Bill, the refusal to stand up to the lies of the Left....

then, I read the latest thing this asshat Kerry has said, and I am glad I voted for Bush.

Thanks John Kerry for reminding me why I voted for Bush and not for you.... you phony hero, checkbook boy toy.

60 posted on 07/19/2007 1:29:39 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Volunteer
spening = spending... I am trying to save money on letters.
61 posted on 07/19/2007 1:30:31 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: cpdiii
You nailed it! This phony bastard was back here after his arduous 4 month tour calling me a baby killer. I will never forgive him and I will never support his BS Iraq policy.
62 posted on 07/19/2007 1:33:26 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Apparently he forgot about the 2 million that died in the Killing Fields.

Actually, that was Cambodia, but plenty of Vietnamese either were killed, or had to submit to brutal "re-education" after America left.

63 posted on 07/19/2007 1:34:28 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

In Kerry’s jetsetter world, the two million who died didn’t matter. (There’s nothing worse than a nouveau riche — and on TerAYsa’s dead husband’s money, to boot.)


64 posted on 07/19/2007 1:35:29 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Apparently he forgot about the 2 million that died in the Killing Fields.

Not to mention the South Vietnamese that suffered after the "transition".

During the 2004 campaign, I said that Kerry was truly the "RE-Education
Candidate", seeing how his approach landed so many FREE South
Vietnamese into re-education centers.

A few years back I saw a documentary on KCET (the PBS "superstation"
in Los Angeles). It centered around observations of a reporter from
The Los Angeles Times that had been based in South Vietnam during
the war...and later in the 1990s.

As much as I might generally despise the Viet Cong, he coverered the
personal story of some of them....
and how they'd gotten the shaft after the war was run when the
North Vietnamese said "thanks, we are now in charge of everything comrade!".

Idiots like Kerry caused an extra order of magnitude of suffering
for BOTH Vietnams.
65 posted on 07/19/2007 1:38:51 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

This idiot has been in Terezzzzza’s raisin rum again.


66 posted on 07/19/2007 1:39:23 PM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: hgro
"Kerry is a lunatic and a seducer of rich women." Image and video hosting by TinyPic
67 posted on 07/19/2007 1:41:12 PM PDT by 007girl
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To: stylin19a
John Ef'n Kerry in a Vietnam War Museum in Ho Chi Minh City

Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, in Vietnam. Photo displayed in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the “War Crimes Museum”) in Saigon. The June 2, 2003 edition of the “Viet Nam News” is held beside the Kerry photograph to confirm the date the photo was taken. English-language placard below the photograph reads: “Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnam Communist Party met with Congressmen and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993).

68 posted on 07/19/2007 1:42:14 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

John Kerry, circa 1974: “Cut and run. Our local allies won’t suffer.”
John Kerry, circa 2007: “Cut and run. Our local allies won’t suffer.”

And they say J F’n K is a flip flopper.


69 posted on 07/19/2007 1:47:45 PM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: From One - Many

I chide my family about this all the time (They still live in MA) The response is alwayy s the same. He really cares about his constituents, if you send him a letter, you will get a response in short order. He also has the capacity to pull a long set of strings...So in other words he is proficient at being a pandering politician.
They just vote for Kerry because Massachusetts just loves a communist America hater.


70 posted on 07/19/2007 1:51:14 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Multi-culturism, go for a dirt nap. If you cant stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: enough_idiocy
He’s a moron.

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During the pajama party his idiot Marxist buddy Harkin (pictured here with his good Komrades Kerry and Ortega) read from the same script about Vietnam - we tucked tail and ran but no bloodbath...blah, blah, blah. Traitorous jerks.

71 posted on 07/19/2007 1:52:42 PM PDT by bikerMD (Beware, the light at the end of the tunnel may be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Bush is no rocket scientist by any stretch, but if there was ever a doubt why Kerry didn't get elected it is moments like this. Wow.

What's amazing is how close he came. It's a tribute to how weak Bush was within his own party.

We can thank the swift boat folk. When you consider the miniscule budget those people had at their disposal versus the Democrat Colossus plus the free advertising by the likes of Dan Rather...well...it's all pretty amazing.

72 posted on 07/19/2007 1:53:32 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

He pretty much has to believe this lie, else how could he live with himself?


73 posted on 07/19/2007 1:54:02 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I read on Snopes.com that it’s a false notion that Kerry’s medals weren’t won legally .... but from what I read, he got his PH’s from whining about his injuries and that it’s highly unlikely that someone could win the Bronze Star, Silver Star and three PH’s in four months of being in a combat zone ....


74 posted on 07/19/2007 1:55:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Sweet Blessed Mother of Acceleration, Don't Fail Me Now!")
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To: GoldenPup
Kerry is worse than a disgrace to the country....he’s a menace. Why do the people of Taxachussets keep embarrassing themselves by electing this idiot??

He looks good compared to Teddy?

75 posted on 07/19/2007 1:56:36 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Nothing at all happened in Viet Nam.

By some accounts, Viet Nam was actually worse. But that's a pretty grim competition, unless you're a left-wing apologist.

76 posted on 07/19/2007 1:56:42 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Yo-Yo

Is that Johnnie Boy standing on the roof, helping evacuees into the helo?


77 posted on 07/19/2007 2:02:31 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
In Vietnam itself there was not a “bloodbath” in any way comparable to what occured in Cambodia. There was persecution, starvation, and repression, and a lot of guys carted away to re-education camps, just as all who opposed the North Vietnamese said would happen, but nothing comparable to what Mao, Stalin, or Pol Pot did.

Everything is relative. Mao and Stalin killed far more people than were killed in the Holocaust by the Nazis, but that doesn't make the Holocaust any less significant. The Black Book of Communism, published by Harvard University Press in 1999, estimates that two million Cambodians and one million Vietnamese were slaughtered by the Communists in Indochina.

An estimated 528,000 were killed by the Vietnamese Communist government after 1975. This does not include the hundreds of thousands of “boat people” who drowned, died of starvation or thirst, or were murdered by pirates after fleeing Vietnam in desperation in over-crowded small boats in the hope they might somehow find their way to land and a chance at human freedom. Perhaps half-a-million “boat people” managed to make it safely to land. Estimates of those who died range from a few hundred thousand to half of those who fled. "Anyone who still denies that a “bloodbath” occurred after America abandoned the peoples of Indochina is either lying or totally out-of-touch with reality. To this tragic cost must be added the suffering of the many tens of millions who were consigned to Communist tyranny by our decision to abandon them."

In his 1971 testimony before Congress, Kerry seems to have taken several positions on the issue of recriminations, arguing at one point that perhaps 2,000 or 3,000 people “might face political assassination” when the Communists took over, but total recriminations “would be far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America.” Kerry is a fool and a traitor.

78 posted on 07/19/2007 2:05:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

about 10 years ago or so,

the government of vietnam paid kerry millions of dollars.


79 posted on 07/19/2007 2:06:53 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Edgerunner
He’s trying to rewrite history to give cover for the latest demoncrat surrender...

It must be hard to re-write history when there are so many of us out here who lived through it - and know better.

80 posted on 07/19/2007 2:06:57 PM PDT by SelmaLee
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To: SkyDancer
Read Unfit for Command to get the real story from those who served with Kerry. All three of his PHs were phony, especially the first one. There was never an after action report and Adm. William Schachte: 'No enemy fire' One of John Kerry's superior officers disputes the circumstances Kerry claims led to the awarding of his first Purple Heart.
81 posted on 07/19/2007 2:11:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I’ve read the action reports - just curious as to where SNOPES.com got their information that it was a hoax ... everything I’ve ever read is that Kerry is a liar .....


82 posted on 07/19/2007 2:18:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Sweet Blessed Mother of Acceleration, Don't Fail Me Now!")
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To: SkyDancer

Snopes carries water for the DNC - they are hardly reliable.


83 posted on 07/19/2007 2:25:15 PM PDT by mallardx
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

POL POT ring any bells


84 posted on 07/19/2007 2:25:44 PM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

The killing fields were in Cambodia.


85 posted on 07/19/2007 2:29:35 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

bttt


86 posted on 07/19/2007 2:30:22 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Kerry is both a moron and an unctuous pri^^. Tough to be those things simultaneously but Long John has managed to do it for years.


87 posted on 07/19/2007 2:32:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

yep, Cambodia. He was trying to cut too fine a hair here.

He is a boob.


88 posted on 07/19/2007 2:34:56 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
THE MAN IS A LIAR!

89 posted on 07/19/2007 2:35:56 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: HamiltonJay; governsleastgovernsbest

Any chance the TODAY show will cover this tomorrow??!?


90 posted on 07/19/2007 2:37:02 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Kerry, who served in Vietnam, demonstrates on a regular basis why he can only win elections in the people’s republic of Mass.


91 posted on 07/19/2007 2:39:03 PM PDT by NavVet (O)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
The killing fields were in Cambodia.

I realize the Killing Fields were in Cambodia...Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam are linked strongly especially after our withdrawl SE Asia. In my mind, the Killing Fields is as much an issue with Vietnam as the USS Cole being attacked in the Middle East. Though the Cole didn't happen here in the states, it was still an attack on a US asset against US personnel. The Killing Fields was a display of millions dying in SE Asia and would likely NOT have happened if the US was still in SE Asia. IMHO.

92 posted on 07/19/2007 2:41:10 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

There was plenty of killing going on in the fields of Vietnam after we cut off the measly 300 million per year at the behest of the John Kerry’s of this world.


93 posted on 07/19/2007 2:47:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: From One - Many; GoldenPup
Nope MA is just over-run with Democrats, whose families have been Democrats since the unions started flourishing at the turn of the Century. The Democrats ran the wards for the newly arrived immigrants and 'guided' their voting along the way. That's one reason so many Catholics are Democrats; they just haven't given the way the party is run nowadays any real thought! The present day Democrats are just following the family legacy, and sucking up the tripe from the party every day: "We're for the little guy", "Unions are good; corporations are bad", "Republicans hate poor people", yadda, yadda.

I blew one young man's mind one day, after having talked to him for a bit about this and that, including politics. I must have mentioned at one point that I was a conservative Republican, and actually said, "Wow, you're a Republican, but you actually care about poor people!" I just chuckled and said, "Let that be a lesson to you, the Democrats don't always tell the truth."

94 posted on 07/19/2007 2:49:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
My friend, My Hue, would disagree with the "distinguished" Senator from Massachusetts. And she was there to witness what happened to those who were our allies, including her father.

John Effin' Kerry is a lying sack of bovine excrement.

95 posted on 07/19/2007 2:52:17 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Rush comments on Lurch:



Kerry: No Bloodbath in Vietnam
96 posted on 07/19/2007 2:53:30 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: When do we get liberated?
if you send him a letter, you will get a response in short order. He also has the capacity to pull a long set of strings...So in other words he is proficient at being a pandering politician.

I hear the same thing all the time! Drives me nuts. It just goes to show that they both have very efficient staff people; some have probably been there for years, and can pull strings because they know everyone in town!

We're planning a trip to DC, but I'm not even going to contact either of them, or our local commie Rep. to see about getting passes to the WH or Congress. I don't want to have anything to do with them.

97 posted on 07/19/2007 2:55:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SkyDancer
They got it from Kerry and the official Navy reports, which were in reality, untrue. Kerry is the one who was writing them up out of whole cloth. The official record is wrong. I have gone over the Kerry records with a fine tooth comb.

The first PH is especially questionable because no documentation supporting the award has been released except for the certificate itself. Kerry's immediate superiors refused to put him in for the award. The doctor who treated him compared the wound to that caused by a rose thorn, with the little piece of metal two centimeters long. It came from the shrapnel from an M-79 fired by Kerry on a training mission in a Boston whaler. It was self-inflicted. The Adm states quite clearly there was no hostile enemy fire. Hence no after action report or casualty report.

After Kerry left the unit, Coastal Div 14, and transferred into a new unit, he mysteriously was awarded the PH three months later. No one knows how it was submitted since his previous CO, Grant Hibbard, refused to submit his PH request. Hibbard said "no way" and told him to "get out of my office." The only thing to substantiate the claim is a treatment report signed three months later. Apparently, Kerry was able to get someone else to sign off on the award in the new unit, but no documentation has been produced showing who signed off on it. I wouldn't put it past Kerry to falsify the submission and forge a signature.

98 posted on 07/19/2007 2:56:50 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

He is right. We were out in ‘73 but still supporting the south financially. In ‘75 the Congress stopped the funding (sound familiar?), that’s when the horrors began.


99 posted on 07/19/2007 2:58:35 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: SkyDancer

I asked that question years ago....historically, has it ever been done before? Two stars and four PH in less than four months?


100 posted on 07/19/2007 3:04:55 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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