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Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
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Posted on 07/19/2007 1:17:36 PM PDT by Rodney King

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The basic idea of the Constitution is that the government can't be trusted. The defense of this Executive Order, which ignores the 5th amendment will be that "well, whats the problem is they apply it to people who are helping the terrorists"? The question is, who decides who is helping terrorists? According to this EO, the executive, not the judicial branch, does.

In other words, don't worry about the Constitution, trust the government.

Sigh.

1 posted on 07/19/2007 1:17:42 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: George W. Bush

bump for your interest.


2 posted on 07/19/2007 1:19:08 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

English, please.......


3 posted on 07/19/2007 1:19:12 PM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: Rodney King

Does this mean President Bush now owns the Sheehan House in Crawford?


4 posted on 07/19/2007 1:19:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: Rodney King

I still have to let my attorney tell me what all this really means, but it almost sounds like 52 US Senators are going to have their land seized by the federal government.


5 posted on 07/19/2007 1:22:11 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Rodney King

I’ll take “Who is John Galt” for $500 Alex ...


6 posted on 07/19/2007 1:22:29 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: Petronski
I was thinking more along the lines of the Kerry properties, the Kennedy compound, Harry Reid's land holdings, and Hillary Clinton's bank account...

That was just a joke, because I do actually believe in the protections provided by the Constitution.

7 posted on 07/19/2007 1:22:35 PM PDT by Zeppo (We live in the Age of Stupidity. [Dennis Prager])
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To: Rodney King

wow. the president cannot suspend the 5th amendment. Time to get a new AG to advise the President. Gonzales seems to think that the Amendments were made to be tossed aside.

this won’t pass constitutional muster. not by a long shot


8 posted on 07/19/2007 1:23:10 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: Red Badger

You forgot to press #1.


9 posted on 07/19/2007 1:23:14 PM PDT by HOTTIEBOY (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

LOL!!!..........


10 posted on 07/19/2007 1:23:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: traviskicks

R.I.P - 5th Amendment - 7/17/07

PING....


11 posted on 07/19/2007 1:25:02 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: Rodney King
Dose this mean that Ahmanutjob and his ilk can't get at their foriegn investments and holdings?

No wonder he wants the Japanese to pay for their oil with Yen.

12 posted on 07/19/2007 1:25:39 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: ChurtleDawg

Well,

some in this administration consider the Constitution “quaint and outdated”....


13 posted on 07/19/2007 1:28:12 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Exactly what I was thinking........Ayn Rand was a prophetess.......


14 posted on 07/19/2007 1:28:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: Rodney King

Frightening. One can only hope it will be knocked down quickly.


15 posted on 07/19/2007 1:30:08 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Rodney King
I wonder if this falls under the Unitary Executive Theory.

Specific Constitutional reference:...make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution... all... Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof

IE, the Executive branch is given power to make laws that are necessary for it to enforce other areas of the Constitution.

Not defending, just discussing..

16 posted on 07/19/2007 1:31:21 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: Rodney King

“The question is, who decides who is helping terrorists? According to this EO, the executive, not the judicial branch, does”

Clearly it should be the executive branch. The judicial branch is not fighting the WOT.


17 posted on 07/19/2007 1:33:19 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Rodney King

It will never stand.


18 posted on 07/19/2007 1:33:26 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Rodney King

so he’s going after about half of congress, right?


19 posted on 07/19/2007 1:34:34 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: SubGeniusX

You’ve made ma laff SGX. You’re sig line made me laff, your response made me laff.

I always like to tell people if their humor has boosted my day. ;)


20 posted on 07/19/2007 1:35:35 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
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To: Petronski; All

My thoughts exactly. I suppose all of code pink, John Mutha, et al.’s assets can now be seized?


21 posted on 07/19/2007 1:35:49 PM PDT by enough_idiocy
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Ha! Very good!


22 posted on 07/19/2007 1:36:33 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Maybe its just me and my realistic way of thinking that is wrong.....but we (society) know less that .001% of what goes on in the world. So I am thinking there is a reason for this. I am thinking the reasons are decided by very smart men that DO know whats going on.

I am setting in a cubicle diagnosing a man’s computer fault codes in his car from 600 miles away and typing in a forum. Thats why I don’t judge things like this. Cawz I don’t know what or why it was done. I do know that it was done by people a hellofa lot smarter than me.


23 posted on 07/19/2007 1:37:07 PM PDT by HOTTIEBOY (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: absolootezer0

I’m guessing Iran owns some land in the United States?


24 posted on 07/19/2007 1:37:57 PM PDT by visionary
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To: Dixie Yooper

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish that were true!


25 posted on 07/19/2007 1:38:11 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Red Badger

“Does this include Democrats?”


26 posted on 07/19/2007 1:38:15 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Fishtalk

Thanks... glad I could help


27 posted on 07/19/2007 1:39:29 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: absolootezer0
So he's going after about half of congress, right?

No, left! LOL

28 posted on 07/19/2007 1:40:19 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Rodney King

Over 4 years of fighting and now this...

About damn time.


29 posted on 07/19/2007 1:41:22 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Excellent point.. to bad knee jerk is usually the rule of the day.. I also wonder if this is simply a reauthorization or updating something that has gone back to Lincoln like other article like this ended up being..


30 posted on 07/19/2007 1:41:52 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: Red Badger
No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!......
Great tagline!
31 posted on 07/19/2007 1:41:56 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Rodney King
Interesting that you take the position that this violates the 5th. For reference, I’ve included the text below

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


As I read the EO, it prohibits the transfer of property but does not “take” the property in the aspect of depriving someone other than a specific use.

Perhaps a bit technical, but it seems to me that one could argue both sides.

32 posted on 07/19/2007 1:42:51 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Rodney King

I haven’t any idea what the man is saying, but I kinda get the idea that he is Pi——d with someone. Perhaps reinstating the Sedition Act would fill the bill for grabbing AQ supporters in legislators clothing.


33 posted on 07/19/2007 1:44:02 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Rodney King

Wow. That is completely unConstitutional.


34 posted on 07/19/2007 1:44:21 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: taxcontrol
I wonder if the people who are screaming that this is Unconstitutional have read this part of the Fifth amendment:
..except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger...
35 posted on 07/19/2007 1:48:13 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: Rodney King

Constitution has been in perpetual suspension since the 40s... every president declares a state of emergency, which grants them powers... we’ve been perpetually in this state for 60+ years if memory serves.


36 posted on 07/19/2007 1:48:48 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: mnehrling
IE, the Executive branch is given power to make laws that are necessary for it to enforce other areas of the Constitution.

A good post to bring that up. It would seem to me that allowing the President to do things to enforce the consitution would precisely not allow him to do things that violate the consitution.

37 posted on 07/19/2007 1:49:13 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: mnehrling

Internment Camps? Somebody translate?


38 posted on 07/19/2007 1:49:56 PM PDT by Scythian
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I wonder if the people who are screaming that this is Unconstitutional have read this part of the Fifth amendment: ..except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger...

That says that the 5th amendment doesn't apply to soldiers i.e. you can execute deserters on the spot.

Don't see how this applies to taking citizens stuff without so much as a hearing.

39 posted on 07/19/2007 1:50:32 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Maybe Searchlight Nevada is about to become a national asset.


40 posted on 07/19/2007 1:50:51 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Rodney King
But does it violate the Constitution? see post #35..
41 posted on 07/19/2007 1:51:07 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: taxcontrol
Perhaps a bit technical,

Well, I understand your point, but, if you get your bank accounts frozen and then can't pay your mortgage, I think you'd have a different view.

42 posted on 07/19/2007 1:52:36 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Precedent has read that this also means it can be used for emergency, military, or defense purposes.
43 posted on 07/19/2007 1:53:52 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: Rodney King

Finally, a Totalitarian United States, now if only I can come into power somehow I can solve all of our problems.


44 posted on 07/19/2007 1:54:14 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: mnehrling
Precedent has read that this also means it can be used for emergency, military, or defense purposes.

I'd like to see that precedent. But, even if you are correct, the fact that the courts rule it might be ok doesn't mean its ok, morally speaking.

45 posted on 07/19/2007 1:55:04 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Good luck getting Title Insurance on property you are buying from a person with a middle-eastern name.


46 posted on 07/19/2007 1:56:33 PM PDT by Canali
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To: Rodney King
Doesn’t make it OK, but look at the view Hottieboy posted above...

WWLD (What Would Lincoln Do)?

47 posted on 07/19/2007 1:59:56 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: Petronski

lol


48 posted on 07/19/2007 2:02:21 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: mnehrling; HOTTIEBOY
So I am thinking there is a reason for this. I am thinking the reasons are decided by very smart men that DO know whats going on.

In other words... trust the executive branch. Wouldn't this argument apply to the whole Bill of Rights? They know what they're doing. If they want to violate our rights, there must be a reason. Trust em.

49 posted on 07/19/2007 2:05:10 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Sorry to disappoint you, but Bush isn’t trying to crush dissent.

Here’s a link to a post with more details:

U.S. Treasury Designates Syria’s Shawkat as Terror Supporter, January 18, 2006

(Designation freezes all Shawkat’s assets under U.S. control)

The U.S. Treasury Department January 18 designated Syrian Military Intelligence Director Assef Shawkat as a supporter of terrorism for his role in Syrian interference in Lebanon and for his support of terrorist activity against Israel.

“As the Director of Syrian Military Intelligence, Shawkat has been a key architect of Syria’s domination of Lebanon, as well as a fundamental contributor to Syria’s long-standing policy to foment terrorism against Israel,” said Stuart Levey, Treasury’s under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence.

The designation freezes all Shawkat’s assets under U.S. jurisdiction and prohibits U.S. entities from engaging in transactions with him.

The Treasury Department based its designation on information about the extensive ties Shawkat maintains with Lebanese and Palestinian terrorist organizations as well as his direct role in overseeing Syria’s military and security presence in neighboring Lebanon.

Following is the text of the Treasury Department’s announcement:
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U.S. Department of the Treasury
January 18, 2006

Treasury Designates Director of Syrian Military Intelligence

The U.S. Department of the Treasury today named Assef Shawkat a Specially Designated National (SDN) of Syria pursuant to Executive Order 13338, for directly furthering the Government of Syria’s support for terrorism and interference in the sovereignty of Lebanon.

“As the Director of Syrian Military Intelligence, Shawkat has been a key architect of Syria’s domination of Lebanon, as well as a fundamental contributor to Syria’s long-standing policy to foment terrorism against Israel,” said Stuart Levey, Treasury’s Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI).

Today’s designation freezes any assets Shawkat may have located under U.S. jurisdiction and prohibits U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him.

Identifier Information

Assef Shawkat
Title: Director of Syrian Military Intelligence
DOB: 1950
POB: Tartus, Syria
Nationality: Syria
Address: Al-Akkad Street, Damascus, Syria

Major General Assef Shawkat is the Director of Syrian Military Intelligence (SMI), the strongest and most influential security service in Syria. Its broad internal and external responsibilities include working with terrorist organizations resident in Syria and overseeing the Syrian security presence in Lebanon.

In addition to the power he derives from his position, Shawkat also has access to the highest levels of the Syrian power structure by virtue of his marriage to Bushra al-Asad, the sister to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Shawkat is a close confidant of President Assad and an important member of his inner circle of advisors.

Through his position as Director of SMI, Shawkat has directed and significantly contributed to the Government of Syria’s support for terrorism, including coordination with Specially Designated Global Terrorists Hizballah, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (”PFLP-GC”), Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (”PIJ”).

Information indicates that in 2005, Shawkat met with Hizballah Secretary General Hasan Nasrallah, PFLP-GC chief Ahmad Jibril, PIJ Secretary General Ramadan Shallah, in addition to Hamas and PIJ officials. Shallah, Jibril and Nasrallah are designated Specially Designated Terrorists pursuant to Executive Order 12947. Shawkat and the officials discussed coordination and cooperation between the terrorist groups. Shawkat and Jibril hoped to ease the freedom of movement for Palestinian terrorist groups, including PFLP-GC in Lebanon, so that the groups could move between Lebanon and Syria, as well as receive weapons and ammunition more easily.

During his tenure as Deputy Director of SMI, Shawkat managed a branch of SMI charged with overseeing liaison relations with major terrorist groups resident in Damascus, including PFLP-GC, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), HAMAS, and PIJ. As SMI Deputy, Shawkat helped direct operations against Israel, some of which were coordinated with Palestinian terrorist group leaders, including PFLP-GC leader Ahmad Jibril and PIJ leader Ramadan Shallah.

Information shows that in June 2003, Shawkat, through his position as deputy director of SMI, ordered members of PIJ, Hamas, and PFLP-GC to lower their profiles. The SMI dictated a number of changes that needed to be implemented by the three terrorist groups. The SMI demanded that each of the groups seek approval from Shawkat’s liaison to hold meetings and gatherings inside their respective office spaces. The SMI also demanded that the groups lower their presence and public profile as much as possible. In return, the SMI declared that they would not expel any of the groups’ members from Syrian soil or close offices, provided their demands were met.

Information available to the United States Government indicates that in 1997, Shawkat instructed PIJ Secretary General Ramadan Shallah to surveil strategic targets in a neighboring country to prepare for possible future attacks.

By virtue of his position as SMI Director, Shawkat directs and significantly contributes to the Government of Syria’s military and security presence in Lebanon. SMI is the primary entity responsible for coordinating and implementing Syrian Arab Republic Government’s (SARG) policies in Lebanon. Shawkat has contributed significantly to the SARG’s security presence in Lebanon through his oversight of SMI activities within Lebanon and his direct control over Brigadier General Rustum Ghazali, who commanded SMI activities in Lebanon.

The United States Government designated Rustum Ghazali as a Specially Designated National pursuant to Executive Order 13338 for his role in the SARG’s continued support for terrorism and his contribution to the SARG’s security and military presence in Lebanon.

Background on Executive Order 13338

President George W. Bush signed E.O. 13338 on May 11, 2004 in response to the Syrian government’s continued support of international terrorism, sustained occupation of Lebanon, pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and missile programs and undermining of U.S. and international efforts in Iraq. Syria’s acts threaten the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States.

The Order declared a national emergency with respect to Syria, and authorized the Secretary of the Treasury to block the property of certain persons and directing other U.S. Government agencies to impose a ban on exports to Syria.

The Treasury may designate individuals and entities found to be or to have been:

— Directing or otherwise significantly contributing to the Government of Syria’s provision of safe haven to or other support for any person whose property or interests in property are blocked under United States law for terrorism-related reasons, including, but not limited to, Hamas, Hizballah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, and any persons designated pursuant to Executive Order 13224 of September 23, 2001;

— Directing or otherwise significantly contributing to the Government of Syria’s military or security presence in Lebanon;

— Directing or otherwise significantly contributing to the Government of Syria’s pursuit of the development and production of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons and medium- and long-range surface-to-surface missiles;

— Directing or otherwise significantly contributing to any steps taken by the Government of Syria to undermine United States and international efforts with respect to the stabilization and reconstruction of Iraq; or

— Owned or controlled by, or acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property or interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

Click the following link for further information on the June 30, 2005 designation of two individuals, pursuant to E.O. 13338: http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js2617.htm.

Click the following link for the full text of E.O. 13338: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040511-6.html.

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50 posted on 07/19/2007 2:05:49 PM PDT by Eva
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