Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Rev. Michael Moore (Joseph Farah Sets Moore Straight About Homosexuality In The NT Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/20/2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/19/2007 10:41:09 PM PDT by goldstategop

Fresh from the success of his latest agitprop promoting socialized medicine, "Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore is considering whether he will use his next movie to teach us all a thing or two about the mind and will of God.

That's right, call him the Rev. Michael Moore.

Specifically, he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.

"I think it's a very ripe subject for someone like me to make a movie about," he told the homosexual magazine the Advocate. "Simply because we are not there yet and it remains one of the last open wounds on our soul that we are not willing to fix yet."

Moore told the Advocate he is a spiritual person who supports same-sex marriage.

"There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word 'homosexual,'" Moore related. "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."

(Column continues below)

Well, I don't know which Bible the Rev. Moore is reading, but that's not exactly correct.

First of all, let's deal with the four Gospels. Why is it that Moore limits his reading of the Bible to the four Gospels? I'm sure he will suggest these books are the only ones in which Jesus' actual words are recorded. But, again, that would be totally incorrect.

Jesus' actual words are recorded in other New Testament books as well – such as Acts and Revelation.

Further, Christians believe God the Father and Jesus the Son are one in the same as well as distinct persons. So, it would stand to reason that wherever God speaks in the Bible, Jesus, too, is speaking in one voice.

Taking it a step further, Jesus made it very clear in those Gospels to which Rev. Moore refers that He believed and endorsed every jot and tittle of the Hebrew law handed down from God through Moses.

As Jesus explained in Matthew 5:17-20:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, what Christians refer to as "Old Testament law" still applies to us as the standard of righteous behavior. That's what Jesus said. Follow the law or face the consequences.

Later in that same chapter, verses 27-29, He says:

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

The penalty for lusting after a woman is death and hell, according to Jesus. Does Moore truly believe that lusting after men is acceptable to "this guy," as he calls the Lord and Savior of mankind?

Later, again, in verses 31-32, Jesus reminds us:

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

What's the relevance of these verse to the issue of homosexuality? It's very clear that Jesus sees sexual sin, any sexual activity outside of marriage, as particularly grievous. Does the Rev. Moore truly believe that homosexuals get a pass from this standard? Does he dare suggest only heterosexuals can commit sexual sin?

And what about the institution of marriage, which Jesus referenced above? Does Rev. Moore really believe Jesus envisioned it as an institution between two men or two women?

You don't even have to leave the four Gospels to see Jesus' definition of marriage. In fact, you don't even have to leave the Book of Matthew.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

– Matthew 19:4-6

That's what Jesus Himself said about marriage. It's also a very strong statement about the fact that men and women were made for each other. There's no talk here of civil unions. There's no suggestion here of domestic partnerships. There's no hint here that men should fool around with men and that women should fool around with women.

It's a straightforward statement that alone should clarify any misconceptions about what Jesus thought and believed and commanded insofar as sexual unions.

But, again, the Bible and the Christian faith are based on much more than the words spoken by Jesus, who explained that He did not come to overturn the law but to fulfill it. That means the basic commandments of the Hebrew Scriptures didn't change when Jesus came along. And those laws are crystal clear in condemning homosexuality as an abomination in the sight of God – as they are in the inspired teachings of Paul in the New Testament.

In His definition of marriage, Jesus Himself was referring to the law as laid out in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

To believe Rev. Moore's lies, you have to ignore the rest of the Bible entirely – suggest it is simply a fabrication, not God's Word. And, of course, if you say that, you have to believe Jesus was a liar, because He just defended the law above.

I would like to hear what the Rev. Moore has to say about these other specific biblical references to homosexuality. But I doubt I will.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Rev. Moore has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say or doesn't say something it does say. That is what the Rev. Moore is doing.

You know and I know it doesn't really matter to the Rev. Moore what Jesus taught about homosexuality. But he knows it still matters to enough Americans. So he distorts Jesus' message to try to fool enough of the weak-minded and illiterate – the natural constituency, I suppose, for his movies.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; christianleft; culture; faith; fakumentaries; farah; fornication; homosexualagenda; homosexualist; josephfarah; judeochristian; liberalism; lordhoho; lumpyriefenstahl; lyingliar; michaelmoore; moralabsolutes; newtestament; perverts; porneia; religiousliberalism; sexualperversion; wideload; worldnetdaily
Jesus said a lot of things about sexuality, family and marriage that doesn't comport with Michael Moore's rewrite of the New Testament. Now, it may not use the specific term "homosexual" but it does disapprove of the behavior. And let's not stop with the Gospels. Let's look at what Paul says in Romans 1:22-27 about the unnatural act:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

I'm waiting for Moore and the Left to show us where exactly in the New Testament and for that matter, the Old one - where there's moral sanction giving to the pederast affectation. Moore and his ilk may think traditional values are outmoded but for those of us who believe in God and his eternal teachings, they are timeless. Political correctness doesn't eliminate what is known to be the truth - and Moore can't change that no matter now many fakumentaries he screens in the nation's cineplexes.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 07/19/2007 10:41:12 PM PDT by goldstategop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.

--

Hey Rev. Mikey! Ya like chocolate?


2 posted on 07/19/2007 10:47:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
"There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word 'homosexual,'" Moore related. "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."

"Odd" that this fat tub of ick would not witness against Mohammed's "appropriation of this guy" in the name of Islamic Imperialism. Islam is the only major religion to acknowledge the existence of Jesus while at the same time denying His divinity, His crucifixion, and His resurrection.

While direct condemnation of homosexuality (or other sins) may not have been the focus of His teachings, when a group of over a BILLION people appropriate Him and DENY His message of redemption and salvation for us all, you'd think a "practicing Christian" would notice this obvious bigger issue.

This is the first I've ever read of Lord Ho Ho, traitor to America, proclaiming any Christian faith on his part. If I seem skeptical, I have my reasons based on his many previous lies.

3 posted on 07/19/2007 10:49:34 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

It doesn’t really matter, nobody who takes the Bible seriously is going to care what Michael Moore says, and people who agree with Moore don’t care what the Bible has to say.


4 posted on 07/19/2007 10:50:53 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Truthsearcher

BINGO! And that is pretty much how the country is divided. I foresee another Civil War soon, but I hope I’m wrong.


5 posted on 07/19/2007 10:59:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Moore is having sex with a cheeseburger so that he can eat more of his family once it is born. Cannibalism with relish.


6 posted on 07/19/2007 10:59:37 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

The notion that there is an alleged “irrational hatred” of homosexuality is a long running meme of the Left. This is a hijacking of language. The opposition to homosexual behaviour is not “irrational” nor is it “hatred”. Funny how he accuses the Right of appropriating Jesus while he does this very thing with language. There is a sort of irrational hatred of White people in South Africa but odd how no one seems to talk about that too much. The Boer farmers are being killed in what the President of Genocide Watch: Gregory Stanton has publicly called a genocide under the Genocide Convention.


7 posted on 07/19/2007 10:59:47 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
It's also a very strong statement about the fact that men and women were made for each other.

Probably the very best argument, and one that homosexuals never confront. They deeply resent the opposite sex for some reason, despite their often having special friendships with them.

8 posted on 07/19/2007 11:01:48 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SteveMcKing
This is the first piece of propaganda from Moore that I am excited about.

I really hope he follows through with this - LMFAO

I'm writing him a letter now pretending to be a HUGE fanboi who can't wait for his homo film

9 posted on 07/19/2007 11:06:25 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Michael Moore. What an idiot!!! What people like him don’t get is that to the Christian the Jesus of the New Testament and the God of the Old Testament are one in the same. And the OT God sure as heck let us know what he thought about homosexuality. Just ask any Sodomite....

Besides if Jesus said,” Thou shall drive the speed limit” I thinks it’s pretty safe to say that He thought speeding was wrong. He addressed marriage as being between a man and woman plenty of times in both Matthew and Mark. Think we can extrapolate that He wasn’t for the “Adam and Steve” union.

10 posted on 07/19/2007 11:09:48 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Lumpy Riefenstahl in its latest reincarnation

Triumph of the Will scene shows huge banners designed by Albert Speer

Sometimes I wonder if this world is purgatory.

11 posted on 07/19/2007 11:12:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Hey, mikey, show me where is the Gospels Jesus condemned rape.

Hey, Mikey, show me where in the Gospels Jesus condemned spousal abuse.

Hey, Mikey, show me where in the Gospels Jesus condemned bestiality, or human sacrifice, or (and this makes you safe) stupidity.

It would appear, following the Rev Mikey’s Biblical interpretation, Jesus would not think any of those things were morally wrong.


12 posted on 07/19/2007 11:24:19 PM PDT by Robwin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Further, Christians believe God the Father and Jesus the Son are one in the same as well as distinct persons. So, it would stand to reason that wherever God speaks in the Bible, Jesus, too, is speaking in one voice.

Romney wouldn't like this!

13 posted on 07/19/2007 11:26:36 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
In other words, what Christians refer to as "Old Testament law" still applies to us as the standard of righteous behavior. That's what Jesus said. Follow the law or face the consequences.

Sorry, but that's a really silly argument. The basis of Christianity is that faith in Jesus supposedly "saves" you from the burden of the law. At least that's what Christians say when asked why they don't keep the Sabbath, enjoy pork sandwiches, ignore the sacred laws of marital and family purity, scorn the Festivals and holy days, etc. And no, it's not just the ritual law -- at least in the actual Tanakh, keeping the Sabbath and the laws of family purity are considered moral laws as well.

So, aside from statements by Paul and the Church founders, there's no rational reason for Christians to single out homosexual acts as the one so-called "Old" testament law that still applies, and certainly no reason for them to assume that homosexuality is worse than heterosexual promiscuity.

Michael Moore is a lying asshole. But he's right on this point -- nothing in Jesus' actual words say anything condemning homosexual acts.

Incidentally, Orthodox Jews understand to place things in context -- we know that homosexual acts are immoral and against the word of God. But for Jews they are no worse (and probably much less serious) than flagrant Sabbath desecration.

14 posted on 07/19/2007 11:52:13 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

In the end, all of the Bush-hated, and through it, the Anti-War movement in America and the absolute denial of the truth by a largely Democrat Media (MANY of that same media being GAY)is driven by leftist opposition to the Right’s AntiGay stance....

When even the managing staff of the New York Times calls ITSELF “The Gay Mafia” we might have a problem.


15 posted on 07/19/2007 11:59:46 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE Democrat! You'll look GREAT in Burqa!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

I don’t expect anything but more lies from Michael Moore. Joseph Farah is quite correct in his excerpts from the Bible, but he skips Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” No doubt, God spoke very clearly about the homosexual lifestyle.


16 posted on 07/20/2007 12:00:35 AM PDT by stellarfreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Jesus did preach against homosexuality. In Mark 7:21 he uses the word porneia, which translates to mean illegal sexual acts, i.e. incest and homosexuality.


17 posted on 07/20/2007 12:09:38 AM PDT by tuesday afternoon (htttp://thosewhocleave.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

You know, I don’t recall Jesus specifically mentioning anything about polygamy, beastiality, or pedophilia. Did Jesus support these things, Michael Moron? Sadly, I heard him on The View. He is another cafeteria Catholic along with Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, and Guiliani. They make me sick.


18 posted on 07/20/2007 12:11:35 AM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: weegee
and it remains one of the last open wounds on our soul that we are not willing to fix yet."

Close..

..Homosexuality is more akin to a festering sore than an open wound...

19 posted on 07/20/2007 12:42:52 AM PDT by Wil H (So just what IS the Globe's optimum temperature?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Wil H

Moore is a faggot? Who woulda thunk it ???


20 posted on 07/20/2007 1:45:52 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: tcrlaf

Sad but true. They have a deep hatred for almost everything our founding fathers believed in, and; they will not be happy until they destroy all traditional values.


21 posted on 07/20/2007 2:05:33 AM PDT by Lumper20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: weegee

“Islam is the only major religion to acknowledge the existence of Jesus while at the same time denying His divinity, His crucifixion, and His resurrection.”

IIRC Judaism does this? (Actually I believe Islam recognizes Jesus as a lesser prophet, thus conferring divinity, as does Judaism).


22 posted on 07/20/2007 3:07:21 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ChicagoHebrew

“The basis of Christianity is that faith in Jesus supposedly “saves” you from the burden of the law.”

This is incorrect. Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” What faith in Jesus Christ saves you from is the penalty that breaking the law requires. The Spirit-filled, Spirit-led Christian has been given a new nature whereby he is able to know/understand/keep God’s law. But the old sin-nature still at work keeps this from being the earth-bound Christian’s constant reality. Christ’s one-time sacrifice for sin, because it is sufficient for God’s demand for justice, provides the believer who sins eternal protection from sin’s consequences.

God, in Christ, has seen to it that man’s ever-insufficient efforts at keeping the law has a remedy. But Christian’s are called to live lives that are God and Christ-honoring, and that means they are to aspire to following God and what His word says.


23 posted on 07/20/2007 3:22:28 AM PDT by MarDav
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
[Article, quoting Moore the Boor] "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."

He didn't comment on the directionality of gravity, either, or bibulousness, or a lot of other topics.

However, he never took down or modified the strictures of Genesis and Leviticus, and as you point out, the epistles of Paul of Tarsus and Jude the Obscure to the early Christian communities are quite explicit in condemning arsenokoitai and their lust for pornoi (rent-boys).

24 posted on 07/20/2007 3:24:04 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
While driving to a doctor's appointment last week, I was listening to a Catholic nun review Michael Moore's latest movie, Sicko. (Relevant Radio) She mentioned how Moore is using his faith in his movie. I damn near drove off the road.

My goodness is she clueless.

25 posted on 07/20/2007 4:12:34 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pinkbell
Great points!

I hope that the Catholic Church continues to become stronger in reminding the "cafeteria Catholics" of their convictions of the Catholic faith. It is for the sake of those that are lost, and need to be reminded of what is needed to follow the teachings of Christ.

26 posted on 07/20/2007 4:19:07 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Specifically, he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.
 
Good luck!!

 

Genesis 13:13       Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed,
all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight?
Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends.
Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



 

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....


27 posted on 07/20/2007 4:48:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Moore told the Advocate he is a spiritual person who supports same-sex marriage.

And we can tell just what that 'spirit' is:

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

28 posted on 07/20/2007 4:50:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: weegee
This is the first I've ever read of Lord Ho Ho, traitor to America, proclaiming any Christian faith on his part.

Read carefully; he didn't.

29 posted on 07/20/2007 4:52:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

AMEN


30 posted on 07/20/2007 4:52:59 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: ivyleaguebrat

You’ve also got Jehovah Witnesses, but I doubt it counts as a ‘major’ religion.


31 posted on 07/20/2007 4:57:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Elsie
See what happens when you are friendly with gays?

Genesis 19:6-7
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

32 posted on 07/20/2007 5:00:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Gondring
“Romney wouldn’t like this!”

Why? What makes you think so?

33 posted on 07/20/2007 7:21:14 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
Sometimes I wonder if this world is purgatory.

Michael Moore. Another trial we face. Now regarding purgatory; I agree. This life is our chance for salvation. Welcome to the Protestant world view! :P

34 posted on 07/20/2007 7:32:00 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Northern Yankee

It’s a shame that liberals have gotten into the convents and the priesthood. I am hoping that Pope Benedict will keep working to bring those in the Church back to its conservative roots.


35 posted on 07/20/2007 11:55:11 AM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Old Student
Why? What makes you think so?

Gov. Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, commonly referred to as Mormons). Although not stated as such in The Book of Mormon, later LDS Scriptures and Church teachings are clear that God the Fether is a God and Jesus Christ is also a God (but they are one in purpose). The siring of Jesus was just like any of us were created, with God the Father in flesh and blood form.

So Farah was excluding Mormons from the definition of Christianity.

36 posted on 07/22/2007 12:01:44 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: ChicagoHebrew
Incidentally, Orthodox Jews understand to place things in context -- we know that homosexual acts are immoral and against the word of God. But for Jews they are no worse (and probably much less serious) than flagrant Sabbath desecration.

Why don't Jews who collect wood on the Sabbath get stoned anymore?




"Because they now get drug tested on Monday" won't cut it! ;-)

37 posted on 07/22/2007 2:04:00 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Gondring
“Gov. Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, commonly referred to as Mormons).”

So am I, and I don’t remember anything in our teachings that requires physical siring of Jesus by God. One in SPIRIT and purpose, IIRC. If you have references, I’d be interested in seeing them.

38 posted on 07/22/2007 11:24:19 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Gondring

Because we don’t have any courts with the authority to impose the death penalty. Even then, imposition of the death penalty would require many, many procedural proofs that would make its use very rare. . . Jewish sources report that, in antiquity, the death penalty was imposed maybe once every 70 years.


39 posted on 07/22/2007 1:08:21 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: ChicagoHebrew

[there’s no rational reason for Christians to single out homosexual acts as the one so-called “Old” testament law that still applies,]

Does Natural Law still apply, Dr. Frankenstein?


40 posted on 07/22/2007 3:49:52 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson