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Hey Rev. Mikey! Ya like chocolate?
Posted on 07/19/2007 10:41:09 PM PDT by goldstategop
Fresh from the success of his latest agitprop promoting socialized medicine, "Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore is considering whether he will use his next movie to teach us all a thing or two about the mind and will of God.
That's right, call him the Rev. Michael Moore.
Specifically, he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.
"I think it's a very ripe subject for someone like me to make a movie about," he told the homosexual magazine the Advocate. "Simply because we are not there yet and it remains one of the last open wounds on our soul that we are not willing to fix yet."
Moore told the Advocate he is a spiritual person who supports same-sex marriage.
"There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word 'homosexual,'" Moore related. "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."
(Column continues below)
Well, I don't know which Bible the Rev. Moore is reading, but that's not exactly correct.
First of all, let's deal with the four Gospels. Why is it that Moore limits his reading of the Bible to the four Gospels? I'm sure he will suggest these books are the only ones in which Jesus' actual words are recorded. But, again, that would be totally incorrect.
Jesus' actual words are recorded in other New Testament books as well – such as Acts and Revelation.
Further, Christians believe God the Father and Jesus the Son are one in the same as well as distinct persons. So, it would stand to reason that wherever God speaks in the Bible, Jesus, too, is speaking in one voice.
Taking it a step further, Jesus made it very clear in those Gospels to which Rev. Moore refers that He believed and endorsed every jot and tittle of the Hebrew law handed down from God through Moses.
As Jesus explained in Matthew 5:17-20:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
In other words, what Christians refer to as "Old Testament law" still applies to us as the standard of righteous behavior. That's what Jesus said. Follow the law or face the consequences.
Later in that same chapter, verses 27-29, He says:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The penalty for lusting after a woman is death and hell, according to Jesus. Does Moore truly believe that lusting after men is acceptable to "this guy," as he calls the Lord and Savior of mankind?
Later, again, in verses 31-32, Jesus reminds us:
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
What's the relevance of these verse to the issue of homosexuality? It's very clear that Jesus sees sexual sin, any sexual activity outside of marriage, as particularly grievous. Does the Rev. Moore truly believe that homosexuals get a pass from this standard? Does he dare suggest only heterosexuals can commit sexual sin?
And what about the institution of marriage, which Jesus referenced above? Does Rev. Moore really believe Jesus envisioned it as an institution between two men or two women?
You don't even have to leave the four Gospels to see Jesus' definition of marriage. In fact, you don't even have to leave the Book of Matthew.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
– Matthew 19:4-6
That's what Jesus Himself said about marriage. It's also a very strong statement about the fact that men and women were made for each other. There's no talk here of civil unions. There's no suggestion here of domestic partnerships. There's no hint here that men should fool around with men and that women should fool around with women.
It's a straightforward statement that alone should clarify any misconceptions about what Jesus thought and believed and commanded insofar as sexual unions.
But, again, the Bible and the Christian faith are based on much more than the words spoken by Jesus, who explained that He did not come to overturn the law but to fulfill it. That means the basic commandments of the Hebrew Scriptures didn't change when Jesus came along. And those laws are crystal clear in condemning homosexuality as an abomination in the sight of God – as they are in the inspired teachings of Paul in the New Testament.
In His definition of marriage, Jesus Himself was referring to the law as laid out in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
To believe Rev. Moore's lies, you have to ignore the rest of the Bible entirely – suggest it is simply a fabrication, not God's Word. And, of course, if you say that, you have to believe Jesus was a liar, because He just defended the law above.
I would like to hear what the Rev. Moore has to say about these other specific biblical references to homosexuality. But I doubt I will.
It begins in Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Rev. Moore has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.
Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.
You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say or doesn't say something it does say. That is what the Rev. Moore is doing.
You know and I know it doesn't really matter to the Rev. Moore what Jesus taught about homosexuality. But he knows it still matters to enough Americans. So he distorts Jesus' message to try to fool enough of the weak-minded and illiterate – the natural constituency, I suppose, for his movies.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
I'm waiting for Moore and the Left to show us where exactly in the New Testament and for that matter, the Old one - where there's moral sanction giving to the pederast affectation. Moore and his ilk may think traditional values are outmoded but for those of us who believe in God and his eternal teachings, they are timeless. Political correctness doesn't eliminate what is known to be the truth - and Moore can't change that no matter now many fakumentaries he screens in the nation's cineplexes.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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Hey Rev. Mikey! Ya like chocolate?
"There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word 'homosexual,'" Moore related. "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."
"Odd" that this fat tub of ick would not witness against Mohammed's "appropriation of this guy" in the name of Islamic Imperialism. Islam is the only major religion to acknowledge the existence of Jesus while at the same time denying His divinity, His crucifixion, and His resurrection.
While direct condemnation of homosexuality (or other sins) may not have been the focus of His teachings, when a group of over a BILLION people appropriate Him and DENY His message of redemption and salvation for us all, you'd think a "practicing Christian" would notice this obvious bigger issue.
This is the first I've ever read of Lord Ho Ho, traitor to America, proclaiming any Christian faith on his part. If I seem skeptical, I have my reasons based on his many previous lies.
It doesn’t really matter, nobody who takes the Bible seriously is going to care what Michael Moore says, and people who agree with Moore don’t care what the Bible has to say.
BINGO! And that is pretty much how the country is divided. I foresee another Civil War soon, but I hope I’m wrong.
Moore is having sex with a cheeseburger so that he can eat more of his family once it is born. Cannibalism with relish.
The notion that there is an alleged “irrational hatred” of homosexuality is a long running meme of the Left. This is a hijacking of language. The opposition to homosexual behaviour is not “irrational” nor is it “hatred”. Funny how he accuses the Right of appropriating Jesus while he does this very thing with language. There is a sort of irrational hatred of White people in South Africa but odd how no one seems to talk about that too much. The Boer farmers are being killed in what the President of Genocide Watch: Gregory Stanton has publicly called a genocide under the Genocide Convention.
Probably the very best argument, and one that homosexuals never confront. They deeply resent the opposite sex for some reason, despite their often having special friendships with them.
I really hope he follows through with this - LMFAO
I'm writing him a letter now pretending to be a HUGE fanboi who can't wait for his homo film
Besides if Jesus said,” Thou shall drive the speed limit” I thinks it’s pretty safe to say that He thought speeding was wrong. He addressed marriage as being between a man and woman plenty of times in both Matthew and Mark. Think we can extrapolate that He wasn’t for the “Adam and Steve” union.
Triumph of the Will scene shows huge banners designed by Albert Speer
Sometimes I wonder if this world is purgatory.
Hey, mikey, show me where is the Gospels Jesus condemned rape.
Hey, Mikey, show me where in the Gospels Jesus condemned spousal abuse.
Hey, Mikey, show me where in the Gospels Jesus condemned bestiality, or human sacrifice, or (and this makes you safe) stupidity.
It would appear, following the Rev Mikey’s Biblical interpretation, Jesus would not think any of those things were morally wrong.
Romney wouldn't like this!
Sorry, but that's a really silly argument. The basis of Christianity is that faith in Jesus supposedly "saves" you from the burden of the law. At least that's what Christians say when asked why they don't keep the Sabbath, enjoy pork sandwiches, ignore the sacred laws of marital and family purity, scorn the Festivals and holy days, etc. And no, it's not just the ritual law -- at least in the actual Tanakh, keeping the Sabbath and the laws of family purity are considered moral laws as well.
So, aside from statements by Paul and the Church founders, there's no rational reason for Christians to single out homosexual acts as the one so-called "Old" testament law that still applies, and certainly no reason for them to assume that homosexuality is worse than heterosexual promiscuity.
Michael Moore is a lying asshole. But he's right on this point -- nothing in Jesus' actual words say anything condemning homosexual acts.
Incidentally, Orthodox Jews understand to place things in context -- we know that homosexual acts are immoral and against the word of God. But for Jews they are no worse (and probably much less serious) than flagrant Sabbath desecration.
In the end, all of the Bush-hated, and through it, the Anti-War movement in America and the absolute denial of the truth by a largely Democrat Media (MANY of that same media being GAY)is driven by leftist opposition to the Right’s AntiGay stance....
When even the managing staff of the New York Times calls ITSELF “The Gay Mafia” we might have a problem.
I don’t expect anything but more lies from Michael Moore. Joseph Farah is quite correct in his excerpts from the Bible, but he skips Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with man, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” No doubt, God spoke very clearly about the homosexual lifestyle.
Jesus did preach against homosexuality. In Mark 7:21 he uses the word porneia, which translates to mean illegal sexual acts, i.e. incest and homosexuality.
You know, I don’t recall Jesus specifically mentioning anything about polygamy, beastiality, or pedophilia. Did Jesus support these things, Michael Moron? Sadly, I heard him on The View. He is another cafeteria Catholic along with Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, and Guiliani. They make me sick.
Close..
..Homosexuality is more akin to a festering sore than an open wound...
Moore is a faggot? Who woulda thunk it ???
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