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PETA'S GOT BETTER FRIENDS THAN MICHAEL VICK (Strange Bedfellows)
espn.go.com ^ | July 20, 2007 | Bomani Jones

Posted on 07/20/2007 7:57:37 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

PETA'S GOT BETTER FRIENDS THAN MICHAEL VICK

Even if Vick wins his legal battle, here's a hint that the PR war will be a bloodbath. In a show of its political clout, PETA sent a letter in conjunction with longtime allies Russell Simmons and Al Sharpton to Falcons owner Arthur Blank, NFL commish Roger Goodell and Vick's corporate sponsors condemning dogfighting. At every turn, people around Vick have anonymously thrown him under the bus. Coincidentally, PETA's friends use their names for the very same reason. Oh yeah, Vick's in bad shape. Really, is there a worse pair of enemies for one man to have than the animal rights lobby and the federal government?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: animalcruelty; canine; dogfighting; doggieping; dogs; ghetto; k9; michaelvick; nfl; peta; ratbastards; ratcrime; thugs
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Hate to say it but PETA is right on this one.

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.

Politics can make for strange bedfellows.

1 posted on 07/20/2007 7:57:40 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
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More news here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-vickprotest021907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

“PETA ready to protest following Vick indictment”


2 posted on 07/20/2007 8:00:32 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
While I’ll never attribute human qualities or human rights to animals dogfighting seems to be pretty nasty to me.I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would derive any pleasure from this “sport” let alone participate in it.
3 posted on 07/20/2007 8:00:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
One can not claim to be a dog-lover and endorse dog-fighting in the same breath.

...but I've seen some try, even on this forum.

4 posted on 07/20/2007 8:04:06 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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“Put the bite on Vick now”

July 19, 2007

BY GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist

You have to understand how serious this is for Michael Vick, how serious for the NFL. I know of people who can watch without blinking as Clint Eastwood wastes a dozen people in five minutes. But a horse walks with a limp, and it’s tears.

Yes, it’s just an indictment for Vick, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback, and not a conviction. But the words in that indictment are just too hideous to look past, too sickening to forget.

‘’Dogfighting ring’’ sounds bad enough. But that’s a title, a label. These are the words that will sink Vick: He is accused of having ‘’executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal.’’ That’s on Page 12 of the indictment.

He’s accused of having executed eight dogs that didn’t test well by ‘’hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.’’

You know what a ‘’rape stand’’ is? I didn’t, either. Thanks to Vick, we’ve learned: Dogs are held in place for forced breeding.

Vick cannot play in the NFL for a while. Maybe ever. I know, just an accusation. But commissioner Roger Goodell has a league image to consider. And Goodell has been championed as the guy trying to clean that image up.

This isn’t the same as Tank Johnson’s case, or Pacman Jones’, or Chris Henry’s. Those guys, all suspended, were repeat offenders.

This is much, much worse than that. Vick is a superstar, an individual in a league of helmet-covered faces. We will not look at Vick the same again.

Will we look at the NFL the same?

If Vick continues to play this year, then PETA’s people will be out protesting at every game.

‘Barbaric form of entertainment’

This statement, signed by PETA director Daphna Nachminovitch, was already on PETA.org on Wednesday: ‘’PETA’s offices, located just over an hour away from Michael Vick’s rural mansion — where we now know dozens if not hundreds of dogs were forced to fight to the death in a pit — has been receiving vague allegations of Vick’s involvement in illegal animal fighting activity for years, sadly without much concrete evidence to back it up ...

‘’The professional sports world is plagued with players who have been accused, charged or convicted of cruelty to animals, abusing pit bulls and dogfighting, and we hope that this indictment sends a loud and clear message to players and the NFL that celebrity is not a sufficient excuse for breaking the law . . .’’

Here’s a release sent to my e-mail box Wednesday, announcing a news conference with two U.S. senators and a Congressman who apparently were responsible for something called the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act, passed into law May 3.

‘’Animal fighting is a barbaric form of entertainment that not only is harmful and deadly to animals, but also poses many health and safety risks to communities where it is taking place,’’ said Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, a former veterinarian. ‘’Often, individuals associated with this deplorable practice are involved in narcotics trafficking, gang activity, violence toward people and illegal gambling.’’

See? It’s already started because Vick is a star, a marketing tool.

He’ll be a running ad for the NFL as a thug league, exactly the thing Goodell has been trying to clean up.

Goodell is in a spot here. He has been busting players who have made mistakes over and over. And this is the first real problem from Vick. First-time offender. Indictment, not conviction. But those things aren’t going to wipe away the image of a hanging dog, or an electrocuted one.

There is no specific guideline for these punishments, anyway. Goodell makes them up as he goes. Maybe he can suspend Vick indefinitely but keep his salary in escrow until a conviction or until charges are dropped.

Guilt by association, at least

The league might have to be a little creative here, might have to help pay his salary if it eventually turns out he has no hard connection with this. Whoever pays, though, the league has got to get rid of Vick now.

He certainly can be held accountable for dogfighting taking place on his own property, even if he says he wasn’t involved, didn’t know anything about it.

It’s his friends, his relatives, his property.

How stupid must Vick be to put the rest of his $120 million contract in jeopardy? And whatever his involvement, even if it’s none, he should have run right to the authorities and started explaining.

The last thing he needed, the last thing the NFL needed, was a surprise indictment.

The league didn’t much need to hear from the Washington Redskins’ Clinton Portis a few weeks ago, either, when he told WAVY-TV in Virginia, ‘’I don’t know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it’s his property, it’s his dog.

‘’If that’s what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their own business.’’

Portis’ comment is almost as disturbing as Vick’s indictment. These guys are both examples of this thug culture. Well, it’s worse than thug. It’s outrageous that anyone would try to defend this.

It’s morally stomach-turning.

Is it the NFL?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/474756,CST-SPT-greg19.article


5 posted on 07/20/2007 8:05:37 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
PETA should not talk about animal abuses. Their house is just as dirty as Vick’s. I find both the deceitful PETA and the idiotic Vick just as cruel and thuggish.

http://petakillsanimals.com/

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

6 posted on 07/20/2007 8:09:02 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: DogByte6RER

I agree. Vick’s career is ruined.


7 posted on 07/20/2007 8:09:43 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: DogByte6RER
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something that PETA should be attacking and demanding results on. This crap and puppy mills should be on the very top of their list of things to END!

Where were they when Saddam was injecting puppies with nerve agent and videotaping their deaths....FINALLY this organization is doing something not related to politics.

8 posted on 07/20/2007 8:12:58 AM PDT by NordP (HUNTER: "The real question for Mexico--Why are your people crossing burning deserts to get away?")
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To: DogByte6RER
Animal cruelty (as defined by G-d, not by atheists with a groundless moral/ethical system) is indeed forbidden by G-d and should be punished as provided for in Halakhah. PETA has nothing to do with it.

But Russell "Run" Simmons and Al Sharpton? Wow. Don't tell me that the indigenous pipples of Africa and traditional African-American culture was completely vegetarian until big bad whitie came along and forced them to start eating meat.

So when is Sharpton going to endorse Darwin?

9 posted on 07/20/2007 8:14:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Tziyyon bemishpat yippadeh, veshaveyha bitzdaqah.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Michael and his brother Marcus have certainly earned every bit of bad press they have received.


10 posted on 07/20/2007 8:16:08 AM PDT by dmz
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To: M1Tanker
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11 posted on 07/20/2007 8:16:23 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: desherwood7

Vick is probably done. But wouldn’t you love to see Vick and the Falcons play the Browns? The dogpound would be rabid.


12 posted on 07/20/2007 8:17:54 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: desherwood7
I agree. Vick’s career is ruined

You are correct but just be sure you know who ruined it. It wasn't the press. It wasn't the NFL. It wasn't the fans. The person who ruined Vick's career was Vick himself and as far as I am concerned, good riddance to bad rubbish.

13 posted on 07/20/2007 8:22:29 AM PDT by mort56
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To: DogByte6RER

But NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY NIKE MAKES ON VICK’S PRODUCTS!!!!!!

they still haven[t quit selling them!


14 posted on 07/20/2007 8:24:02 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Big secret about dog fighters..... they can't get it up !)
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To: DogByte6RER

I hope PETA’s keeping their dumpsters clean.


15 posted on 07/20/2007 8:25:04 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: mort56

Well said and 100% true. Vick was a dumba$$ from the start, and has done nothing to change that perception.


16 posted on 07/20/2007 8:27:11 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: dblshot

I can hear “Who Let The Dogs Out” ringing now.


17 posted on 07/20/2007 8:28:31 AM PDT by NoDRodee
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To: DogByte6RER
He’ll be a running ad for the NFL as a thug league, exactly the thing Goodell has been trying to clean up.

Ha! Vick's an amatuer:
What do you call eleven convicted felons standing in a circle?
The Dallas Cowboy's huddle!

18 posted on 07/20/2007 8:31:59 AM PDT by Ignatz (Soylent Green are people, too!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Here is where to write NIKE and let them know what you think about them selling this guys stuff:
NIKE
19 posted on 07/20/2007 8:32:03 AM PDT by Fawn (I don't know what to put here anymore.....let me think awhile......)
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To: Ignatz

What do you call eleven convicted felons standing in a circle?
The Dallas Cowboy’s huddle!

Could also be the Cincinnati Bengals huddle!


20 posted on 07/20/2007 8:37:13 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Polyxene

Naw, they play the no huddle offense.


21 posted on 07/20/2007 8:39:58 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: DogByte6RER
Hate to say it but PETA is right on this one.

PETA gets no credit for this one. Dog fighting has been illegal since long before PETA existed.

22 posted on 07/20/2007 8:56:36 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: dblshot

actually I doubt that Vick can take the field in any NFL stadium (well, maybe Oakland)....crowd reaction would just be too intense....he’s going to be a pariah for the rest of his life....America loves it’s pets too much for him to ever be anything else....


23 posted on 07/20/2007 9:18:43 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Fawn

Sent them one this morning.


24 posted on 07/20/2007 9:54:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: DogByte6RER
Hate to say it but PETA is right on this one.

It's a case of our crappy US media playing right into their hands.

Why are they even giving these nutcases from PETA the time of day? Because they are far leftists.

PETA believes having a pet should be illegal because it is slavery. They believe a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They would save a drowning german shepherd before a drowning child.

There is an organization of long standing that is dedicated to saving animals from this very type of cruelty and has broad support across society. It's called the ASPCA.

It's the ASPCA that should be interviewed on these media shows and have their soundbites show up in the news reports, not PETA.

The news media is so pathetic it is beyond words.

25 posted on 07/20/2007 9:56:48 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Re: PETA believes having a pet should be illegal because it is slavery.

Can you post a URL to back this up?


26 posted on 07/20/2007 10:06:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: STONEWALLS

Agree. Pets are part of the American family.

Personally, I cannot imagine any pet lover who was previously a fan of Vick who would be so now. And there are SCORES of them.


27 posted on 07/20/2007 10:08:05 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: DogByte6RER

Indeed if Vick did the things he did, he should be severely punished, without question.

But is there maybe a greater than zero chance, that perhaps Vick is being “Nifonged.” I see parallels, everyone is calling for Vick’s head, just as they were calling for the Duke players’ heads, long before there was even a hearing.

I never would have even thought about that a year ago, but after the Duke case, I’m not so sure of anything in the legal world anymore.


28 posted on 07/20/2007 10:12:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: ModelBreaker

You are so right. Even while some people are siding with PETA who normally don’t, I still look at them like the Fox who enters the henhouse.


29 posted on 07/20/2007 10:16:51 AM PDT by jragan2001 (NO)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’ve heard their representatives take this position in interviews in past years. You can find old quotes if you google PETA and slavery.

They got burned by public outrage when they had their public demonstrations equating animals in circuses and zoos to the historic slavery of Africans in the US, so they have played down the pet ownership angle in recent years, as they now understand this position is bad PR for them. But you can be sure they still believe this.


30 posted on 07/20/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: desherwood7
Vick’s career is ruined.

That schmuck Al Davis would pick him up....fit right in the the 'Raider Image'.

31 posted on 07/20/2007 10:33:10 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: dfwgator

There are no parallels to the Duke case, except that both are cases in the criminal justice system, like millions of other cases.

Here we are dealing with the feds, and according to their indictment they have multiple eyewitnesses and physical evidence here.

Nifong had one mentally-deranged, drug and alcohol abusing prostitute with a history of unsubstantiated rape charges who came out with the new “rape” charge only when she realized she was about to be placed into a mental health facility. Her accounts were inconsistent and the physical evidence exonerated, not incriminated the defendants. Even the arresting officer Shelton immediately saw through her B.S.

No comparison between the feds & multiple eyewitness & physical evidence with a corrupt local county prosecutor with no evidence.

Maybe Vick will roll the dice on a trial and hope for a venue where he can get an OJ-type jury that will let him off because he is black. But smart money IMO says that he will eventually plead out.


32 posted on 07/20/2007 10:36:03 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Red in Blue PA

Having a pet is slavery. My 11 old poodle mutt has me constantly doing things for him.


33 posted on 07/20/2007 10:40:11 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Liberals, A terrorists best friend!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Name the last player from Oakland that has been arrested or suspended by the league for criminal behavior.


34 posted on 07/20/2007 10:57:41 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: DogByte6RER
I went to the NFL site, and they've got a e-mail address for people who are interested in advertising. I sent them an e-mail saying I would no longer buy any of the products that sponsor the NFL unless Michael Vick was suspended or fired.

Carolyn

35 posted on 07/20/2007 11:03:48 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
There was a thread somewhere around here that Nike had suspended sales that had anything to do with Vick.

Carolyn

36 posted on 07/20/2007 11:05:58 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Fawn
Thank you. Just e-mailed them.

Carolyn

37 posted on 07/20/2007 11:08:10 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Diplomat

You’re unaware that the organization revels in the bad-boy image? Hell, Davis would probably pay over market for Vick.


38 posted on 07/20/2007 11:08:25 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia

Your suggestion that Al Davis would pick up Vick is highly doubtful. Furthermore, the bad-boy image was developed under John Madden when he was coach. It was really a media creation that Madden ultimately embraced because it served the team’s need.

No NFL team wants to employ a team of misfits and troublemakers, the Oakland Raiders included. Cincy could be considered the only current exception to this.


39 posted on 07/20/2007 11:22:31 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Polyxene

Are you from Cleveland?


40 posted on 07/20/2007 11:26:30 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: Diplomat

Peyton Manning


41 posted on 07/20/2007 11:32:48 AM PDT by thegreatmalcolmx (I came to love white people. At least that is what I was taught in my black history class.)
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To: 4yearlurker

I say that my house is run by a thirteen pound tyrant. (A stray cat I took in 10 years ago)


42 posted on 07/20/2007 11:36:27 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: carton253

No - Cincinnati. I get to see and hear about the Bengals up close and personal — 24/7!


43 posted on 07/20/2007 11:38:11 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: DogByte6RER

I personally hate dog fighting. I think the appropriate punishment for people who participate in such activities should be having to spend 10 minutes in a ring with a pitbull in a full on fight.


44 posted on 07/20/2007 11:44:02 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American. (George Carlin)
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To: CDHart

Re: There was a thread somewhere around here that Nike had suspended sales that had anything to do with Vick.

They did not release his new shoe, but are still selling ones already on the market, including shirts and clothing.


45 posted on 07/20/2007 11:49:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: DaiHuy
I personally hate dog fighting. I think the appropriate punishment for people who participate in such activities should be having to spend 10 minutes in a ring with a pitbull in a full on fight.

The irnoy of such statements is that the pitbull would have to be trained to fight. And you have to be cruel to them to train them to fight in that manner.
46 posted on 07/20/2007 11:51:07 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: Polyxene

Well, I am too... but I don’t get the glee you seem to going thread to thread trashing them. :>)


47 posted on 07/20/2007 11:51:55 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
They did not release his new shoe, but are still selling ones already on the market, including shirts and clothing.

There's a catch-22 here. Nike can't really recall the items, and retailers can not pull them off the shelves without Nike's permission.
48 posted on 07/20/2007 11:56:02 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: Fawn

I have called several numbers for Nike....advertising, sales, product merchandising , etc. ALL DIVISIONS OF NIKE route their calls through one 800 number! ha.


49 posted on 07/20/2007 12:15:31 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Big secret about dog fighters..... they can't get it up !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Wow...good to know.


50 posted on 07/20/2007 12:16:26 PM PDT by Fawn (I don't know what to put here anymore.....let me think awhile......)
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