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Russian bombers test UK patience again
Herald Sun ^ | July 20, 2007 | Wojciech Moskwa

Posted on 07/20/2007 11:27:11 AM PDT by lizol

Russian bombers test UK patience again

By Wojciech Moskwa in Oslo

July 20, 2007 09:59pm

TWO Russian Tu-95 bombers made unusually long sorties over the North Sea yesterday, forcing both Norway and Britain to scramble fighter jets to follow the Russian planes, Norway's armed forces said.

The Russian bombers stayed in international air space during their flight, which took them as far south as the region between Norway's Stavanger and Aberdeen in Scotland - centres of the North Sea oil industry.

The incident, the latest of several such sorties in past days, occurred during a period of heightened diplomatic tensions between Russia and Britain over Moscow's refusal to extradite a murder suspect.

“It's a long time since they (Russian bombers) have been that far south,” John Inge Oegland, spokesman for Norway's armed forces, told Reuters.

"I would say that is rather unusual.

“Since they were so far south, the RAF (Britain's Royal Air Force) followed the same procedure and went up to identify them."

When Russian military planes approach Norwegian air space, Norway scrambles fighters to meet and follow them.

Russia's air force commander said this week that such sorties were training flights for the long-range bombers.

“The pilots flew on routes used for international flights,” Colonel Yuri Pomelov, an information officer for the Russian military, said.

"We strictly followed international agreements on the use of airspace."

Cold War

Norway said it was not unusual for Russian military planes to fly over international waters across the Barents Sea and then either turn south into the Norwegian Sea or continue flying west over the Atlantic, before turning around.

Oegland said the apparent increase in Russian sorties along Norwegian air space follows a major exercise by Russia's Northern Fleet in the Russian Barents Sea.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: british; coldwar2; nato; premierputin; putin; russia; sovietunion; uk
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Tu-95

1 posted on 07/20/2007 11:27:14 AM PDT by lizol
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To: Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; twinself; ...

Ping


2 posted on 07/20/2007 11:28:25 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol
putin, a putin?
don't know, but it sure stinks.
3 posted on 07/20/2007 11:29:05 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: lizol

Article says the next time around they flew Tu-160s (B1-ski)


4 posted on 07/20/2007 11:30:26 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: lizol
Norway also scrambled fighters yesterday to follow two Tu-160 Russian bombers, a more modern jet-engine strategic bomber than the propeller-driven Tu-90, which passed near Norwegian air space in the Barents Sea.

Tu-160

5 posted on 07/20/2007 11:34:23 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: lizol

The Evil Empire should be booted out of the G8 toute suite.


6 posted on 07/20/2007 11:37:43 AM PDT by Stallone (War with Iran - While Bush is President and Troops are Present.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
The shape of that bomber looks vaguely familiar....
7 posted on 07/20/2007 11:39:14 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: lizol

8 posted on 07/20/2007 11:39:47 AM PDT by UnklGene
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To: CarrotAndStick

No, it’s an American B-1. Look at the wing where the USAF emblem is mounted.


9 posted on 07/20/2007 11:46:12 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: CarrotAndStick


Genuine Tu-160
10 posted on 07/20/2007 11:48:24 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: UnklGene

Always loved the F-101 Voodoo. Didn’t know Canada flew them too.


11 posted on 07/20/2007 11:48:39 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: conservonator
It reminds me of the front of the space shuttle.


12 posted on 07/20/2007 11:49:19 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Hazwaste

Lol! My bad! I used Google.


13 posted on 07/20/2007 11:50:21 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Crazieman
I realised! My bad!


14 posted on 07/20/2007 11:51:30 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Nope, it's B-1B

http://images.google.pl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/pictures/b1b/b1b-banking.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/lancer.html&h=186&w=283&sz=32&tbnid=ZKMO8HV8A_0f0M:&tbnh=75&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Db1b%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1

This is Tu 160



Anyway - looks like American designers duplicated the Russian plane (LOL! - sarcasm :-)
15 posted on 07/20/2007 11:51:34 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

That bomber has

PROPELLERS?


16 posted on 07/20/2007 11:52:34 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: lizol
The Russian Bear growls in the woods. Distraction alert! . . . Ooops!

Meanwhile, three Russkie stealth fighters penetrated deep into British air space

17 posted on 07/20/2007 12:13:49 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: MrB

You are correct in your observation Sir!


18 posted on 07/20/2007 12:17:55 PM PDT by Never2baCrat (I used to be modest, now I'm perfect!)
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To: Hazwaste

That might be a CF100


19 posted on 07/20/2007 12:18:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: From One - Many
Putin is pushin’ to see how far he can go.

He’s feeling inconsequential, and he doesn’t like that?

20 posted on 07/20/2007 12:19:43 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: lizol
"The Russian bombers stayed in international air space during their flight, which took them as far south as the region between Norway's Stavanger..."
It looks as if Russia is playing a complicated game with UK, with Norway, and with NATO. NATO and a Norwegian Air Base is located in Stavanger. Also this was in the news recently:

Norwegian Armed Forces

Espen Schiager, 2007-06-22

Weeks 24-25: Network for NATO

The big NATO exercise Coalition Warrior Interoperability Demonstration (CWID) was held at Jørstadmoen this month.

Up to 1200 representatives from 20 different countries were present to test communication systems.

This was the fourth year that CWID was arranged at Jørstadmoen in Norway. 2007 was the first time that Norway gathered the Army, Navy and the Air Force in the same exercise. This is part of the process toward making the Norwegian Defence network based.

The nations that participated were Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Rumania, Sweden, Spain, Turkey, Great Britain, the USA, the Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary and Estonia.

Norwegian Armed Forces


21 posted on 07/20/2007 12:25:41 PM PDT by bd476
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To: CarrotAndStick

Your pic is a B1, BONE.

Windows
Wings

The 160 has a swing wing that begins further out, amost mid section of the wing. Furthermore, the windows in the front are different. Dead give aways.


22 posted on 07/20/2007 12:29:57 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6

Yup. I googled Tu-160, and that picture showed up. I didn’t bother to check until someone pointed it out earlier.

My error.


23 posted on 07/20/2007 12:31:26 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Red6

An even easier give-away is the USAF logo on the right of the picture, on the plane’s left wing.

:^)


24 posted on 07/20/2007 12:32:25 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Hazwaste

I was too late - darn! lol


25 posted on 07/20/2007 12:34:11 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Even without the emblem, the wing design and windows give it away.


26 posted on 07/20/2007 12:36:12 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: lizol
Perhaps Russia is sending two messages with one flyby.

Some background:

Norway Society & Policy
NATO


Co-operation within NATO was given new momentum by three events in 2002: the NATO-Russia Council was established in May, a very successful summit took place in Prague in November, and major progress was made in co-operation between the EU and NATO in December. As the decisions taken in Prague are implemented, they will enhance the effectiveness of the Alliance in meeting new security and foreign policy challenges.

It is already apparent that the emerging co-operation between NATO and Russia is having a positive impact on Norway’s own relations with its neighbour to the east. The challenge now is to give substance to the NATO-Russia Council.

NATO’s role in promoting European integration is being continued. The accession talks with the seven countries invited in Prague to join the Alliance are proceeding on schedule.

With regard to partnerships, the greatest challenge is to reach agreement on realistic partnership programmes and to implement them in a way that will ensure continued interest in the co-operation on the part of the allies and the individual partners, and that the co-operation continues to be of a high standard. This is an area where Norway has been active, particularly as regards co-operation with Finland and Sweden.

The efforts to implement the decisions taken in Prague for the military reorganisation of the Alliance are in full swing. NATO’s ability to transform and adapt itself has always been its strength, and it is essential if the organisation is to continue to play a leading role.

The breakthrough that took place at the EU summit in December led to a more dynamic and focused co-operation between NATO and the EU. A strategic partnership that will promote European security is gradually emerging.

One of Norway’s goals is to do its part in helping the EU develop an effective crisis management capability. Norwegian troops have therefore been made available for the Helsinki Headline Goal. Norway wishes to take an active part in the planning and preparation of EU crisis operations as well as in the operations themselves, and to safeguard important Norwegian interests in relation to the EU.

The European members of the Alliance have emphasised that the USA must take due account of the views of its allies. Although it is generally recognised that the USA, because of its superior military power, is the leading power in the Alliance, it is important for NATO to find solutions that are acceptable to all its members. This means that all member states must place emphasis on the things that unite them, especially the fundamental values on which the Alliance is based.

NATO’s visibility may decline as the EU assumes a growing share of the responsibility for security and crisis management in Europe. Collective defence, as laid down in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, will continue to be a task for NATO.

During the work on the EU constitution certain countries have expressed a desire for a European security and defence union.

As a non-member of the EU, it is crucial for Norway that NATO continues to be the main body for both defence and security policy discussions among the allies.

Therefore, Norway's task will be to seek to ensure that the Alliance is as effective as possible. We will also take an active part in EU decision-making processes and operations in order to ensure that our interests are safeguarded as regards the EU.


By the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Norway Society and Policy NATO

27 posted on 07/20/2007 12:39:59 PM PDT by bd476
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To: lizol
Time to resurrect the F-106s?


28 posted on 07/20/2007 12:45:13 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Crazieman
not to be confused with their AA-12 AMRAAMSKI. Or their AA-2/K13 Sidewinderski. Or their Westinghouse AN/AWG-9 “ski” which basically was copied as their first radar with an electronically scanned array thanks to Iran giving them an F14 in 1980.
29 posted on 07/20/2007 12:46:01 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Thats not T-160 thats a B1.


30 posted on 07/20/2007 1:18:10 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: CarrotAndStick

Oh ok never mind lol.


31 posted on 07/20/2007 1:21:19 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: AppyPappy
No it isn't.

Avro CF-100 Canuck

McDonnell CF-101 Voodoo

32 posted on 07/20/2007 1:22:41 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: lizol

Russia needs to quit playing *cold war* games. Accidents do happen.


33 posted on 07/20/2007 1:35:09 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: wolfcreek
"Having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity is inherently dangerous. Wars have begun that way, mister ambassador!"
34 posted on 07/20/2007 1:45:46 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

CF-105 Avro Arrow

35 posted on 07/20/2007 1:51:03 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

CF-105 in flight. These were long range twin engine interceptors designed to engage the ruskies far from North American airspace.

36 posted on 07/20/2007 1:55:35 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: lizol
TU 95

What a pretty target. Too bad Ivan didn't build a bunch of them.

Pooty Poot seems awful restless these days...oh, I've been meaning to tell Putin, "that was a good hit you put on Verachenko (sp)." "Vlad, between you and me, that would make a good movie." "FReep mail me, and I'll give you the address to send the royalties."

5.56mm

37 posted on 07/20/2007 2:05:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: lizol

With oil and gas revenues up, the Russians can afford to fly


38 posted on 07/20/2007 2:08:43 PM PDT by fso301
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To: AppyPappy

CF101


39 posted on 07/20/2007 2:28:05 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: MrB
Don’t be fooled by those propellers. Those are contra-rotating turboprops, which give it a top speed of about 500 knots, almost as fast as a B-52. Thats a lot faster than conventional turboprops.
40 posted on 07/20/2007 2:28:56 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: AppyPappy

I thought the CF100 had an air intake in the nose(?). I dunno.


41 posted on 07/20/2007 2:31:32 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: AppyPappy

Nevermind...I’m thinking of the F-100 Super Sabre.


42 posted on 07/20/2007 2:34:09 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: lizol

Why are the Russians playing these games?


43 posted on 07/20/2007 3:00:55 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never stops.)
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To: lizol
Time we brought our English-Electric Lightnings back out of mothballs to intercept these things. Introduced in 1960, they are still the fastest climbing fighter ever at 50,000ft per minute and for those who think the F22 is great because it can 'supercruise' - the Lightning could do that in 1960 and could fly high and fast enough to intercept U2's! :0 Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
44 posted on 07/20/2007 3:13:53 PM PDT by britemp
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To: Mr. Silverback

Ping


45 posted on 07/20/2007 3:19:21 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: ex-Texan

You mean fighters equipped with Plasma Stealth...


46 posted on 07/20/2007 3:20:08 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol

Bump.


47 posted on 07/20/2007 5:18:47 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: britemp
Time we brought our English-Electric Lightnings back out of mothballs

I saw one at an airshow at Mildenhall a few years back, and boy were those things LOUD! The LOUDEST plane I've ever heard. Did I tell you how LOUD they were? Boy, were they ever LOUD.

48 posted on 07/20/2007 5:30:20 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: UnklGene

Old photo. That’s an RCAF CF-101 Voodoo interceptor.


49 posted on 07/20/2007 5:37:31 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Sure looks like a B-1A...


50 posted on 07/20/2007 5:37:59 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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