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Ice Age Survivors Found In Iceland
Science Daily ^ | 7-20-2007 | University Of Chicago

Posted on 07/20/2007 3:39:11 PM PDT by blam

Source: University of Chicago
Date: July 20, 2007

Ice Age Survivors Found In Iceland

Science Daily — Many scientists believe that the ice ages exterminated all life on land and in freshwater in large parts of the Northern Hemisphere, especially on ocean islands such as Iceland.

Crymostygius thingvallensis, the only species in a recently described family of groundwater amphipods Crymostygidae. (Credit: photograph by Thorkell Heidarsson)

Scientists at Holar University College and the University of Iceland have challenged that belief, at least when looking at groundwater animals. They have discovered two species of groundwater amphipods in Iceland that are the only animals species found solely in Iceland.

"These finding can only be explained by these animals surviving glaciations in some kind of refugium under the glaciers," says Bjarni K. Kristjánsson, the scientist who found the species.

In an article in the August issue of The American Naturalist, they put forward strong support for their theory. "Groundwater amphipods are poor at dispersal, and can not be transported with birds or humans," says Jörundur Svavarsson.

One of these new species falls within a new family of amphipods, which indicates that the species has been a long time in Iceland. "The time since the end of the last glaciation is not enough for a family to evolve," says Svavarsson. Kristjansson and Svavarsson find it likely that the amphipod came to Iceland as early as 30-40 million years ago, when the volcanic island was being formed. "If our theory is right, we have discovered the oldest inhabitants of Iceland, and that can help us further understand how Iceland was formed," says Kristjansson.

Reference: Bjarni K. Kristjánsson and Jörundur Svavarsson, "Subglacial refugia in Iceland enabled groundwater amphipods to survive glaciations" The American Naturalist (2007) volume 170:292--296 DOI: 10.1086/518951


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: age; crevo; environment; godsgravesglyphs; ice; iceland; survivors
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1 posted on 07/20/2007 3:39:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Shoot, I was hoping for some interviews.


2 posted on 07/20/2007 3:40:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Encino Man


3 posted on 07/20/2007 3:41:43 PM PDT by dc27
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To: blam

4 posted on 07/20/2007 3:42:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: blam

This is nothing, the title made it sound like they found people.


5 posted on 07/20/2007 3:43:10 PM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Old Professer

Really, I was all excited thinking we could ask them about climate change since they would have some real insight!
susie


6 posted on 07/20/2007 3:45:47 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: blam

Thank you for posting these interesting items so faithfully! You find such interesting things. I rarely post, but I always read your threads.


7 posted on 07/20/2007 3:47:28 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Thompson-Hunter '08-- imwithfred.com)
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To: blam; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; Aussie Dasher; AnalogReigns; banalblues; Baraonda; ...
"Kristjansson and Svavarsson find it likely that the amphipod came to Iceland as early as 30-40 million years ago, when the volcanic island was being formed."

The death of logic...

8 posted on 07/20/2007 3:54:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL! I love those movies. :)


9 posted on 07/20/2007 3:55:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Iceland has lots of geothermal energy--it is located right on top of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

It could be that one or more lakes remained unfrozen during the Ice Age (or the last Ice Age for Macroevolutionists).

10 posted on 07/20/2007 3:56:39 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Clara Lou; blam; editor-surveyor
Thank you for posting these interesting items so faithfully! You find such interesting things. I rarely post, but I always read your threads.

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I second that!

11 posted on 07/20/2007 3:57:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blam

We are all Ice Age survivors.


12 posted on 07/20/2007 4:00:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: blam

I third that.


13 posted on 07/20/2007 4:14:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq -- via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: blam
They must be really old by now.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 07/20/2007 4:39:08 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: blam; Angelas; presidio9; Idisarthur; Hegemony Cricket; A knight without armor; new cruelty; ...
I knew if we just didn't give up searching through the wreckage...


15 posted on 07/20/2007 4:59:35 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: RightWhale

I’m pretty sure I’ve survived an Ice Age. At least I was told in 4th grade (late 70’s) that there would be another Ice Age by 2000. Still here.


16 posted on 07/20/2007 5:28:47 PM PDT by Chipper
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To: Decombobulator

Um, wait a sec. Aren’t the people of iceland actually survivors of the (little) ice age?


17 posted on 07/20/2007 5:31:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: blam

I wonder if they taste good.


18 posted on 07/20/2007 5:32:50 PM PDT by airborne (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: blam

Can they be breaded and deep fried?


19 posted on 07/20/2007 5:33:47 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: editor-surveyor
find it likely

Evolutionists are fond of telling stories as if they were factual!

20 posted on 07/20/2007 5:36:31 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Can they be breaded and deep fried?

They're probably very small. The northern tier of the US states have a similar critter on their shallow lake bottoms, but only in a grayish-green color. I suspect this white one swims upside-down as well.

21 posted on 07/20/2007 5:54:05 PM PDT by Does so
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To: Chipper

Surviving an ice age is nothing. We do it every year here in NY.


22 posted on 07/20/2007 6:11:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
One of these new species falls within a new family of amphipods, which indicates that the species has been a long time in Iceland.

I'm having difficulty scanning the logic of this sentence. Can anyone explain it to me?

Thanks for the ping, editor-surveyor!

23 posted on 07/20/2007 6:42:55 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: blam
"These finding can only be explained by these animals surviving glaciations in some kind of refugium under the glaciers,"

Tell Al Gore to stick this!

24 posted on 07/20/2007 6:45:57 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: betty boop
The nephew of a friend of mine studies ice-worms..
ICE-WORMS?.. Yep theres ice worms.. They live on the algae that grows on Glaciers.. and maybe each other.. Worms that live in/on ice from birth to death.. Maybe these amphipods live on ice worms.. Amazing that lifeforms can live in and on ICE...
25 posted on 07/20/2007 7:00:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 07/20/2007 9:17:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

LOLOL! It doesn’t make sense to me either.


27 posted on 07/20/2007 9:18:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

[[One of these new species falls within a new family of amphipods, which indicates that the species has been a long time in Iceland.
I’m having difficulty scanning the logic of this sentence. Can anyone explain it to me?]]

Why soytenly- lemme just put on me apologetics cap... K ready:

You see, long long ago, when a species didn’t really fit into any category because, well, frankly, there wasn’t anyone around to classify them, they were not technically a species. Then, when modern man leapt from the trees and hit the keyboards, he done thunk “We gotsta classify stuff” and so He did, mistakenly thinking all species had common anscestry. So, now that we’ve uncovered this ‘new species’ which wasn’t classified before, we’ve done classified it, thus giving it a grandfathered status of and distinction of being an actual species way back when when nobody was around to classify species. So, if you think about it, the new species really was around for a long time— it’s just that it’s...errr... new to us now...in a manner of speaking.


28 posted on 07/20/2007 10:53:05 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: hosepipe

Yuck- I’d rather study ice-crickets


29 posted on 07/20/2007 10:54:44 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: metmom

N.Y? We used to travel south during hte winter to N.Y just to warm up for the winter- N.Y was our winter florida sunshine :)


30 posted on 07/20/2007 10:56:49 PM PDT by CottShop
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thanks blam.
 
Catastrophism
 
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31 posted on 07/20/2007 11:08:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks Blam.

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33 posted on 07/20/2007 11:13:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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whoops.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1869241/posts?page=31#31


34 posted on 07/20/2007 11:27:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

[[These fish, which are popular in aquariums, are deep-bodied and have one nostril, rather than the usual two, on each side of the head.]]

The reason they only have one nostril is because as they evolved from land dwelling critters to fishies, they lost their fingers on one side and couldn’t pick their nose with that side’s fingers anymore, so eventually they lost their nostril too


35 posted on 07/20/2007 11:29:29 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: blam

Is this where those cavemen from the Geico commercials came from?


36 posted on 07/20/2007 11:31:30 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: RightWhale
We are all Ice Age survivors.

I know I am, considering I survived my first wife.

37 posted on 07/20/2007 11:39:47 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: hosepipe
Amazing that lifeforms can live in and on ICE...

Evidence continues to accumulate that life of some kind can survive almost anywhere. 

When we get out and start exploring the solar system in a really big way in the next few hundred years, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we found life in several places off our planet.  

38 posted on 07/20/2007 11:43:26 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't Want illegal Alien Amnesty? Call 800-417-7666)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is it my computer or is your link “Evolution in Your Face” really meant to take me to Penthouse magazine?


39 posted on 07/20/2007 11:56:31 PM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Joe Miner
Uh-oh. Omni was published by Gucchione, but ceased publication some years ago, and some time ago the links stopped working (the archive fell offline). I didn't realize the link redirected anywhere, my apologies.
40 posted on 07/21/2007 12:05:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Joe Miner

Ah, here’s a working link:

http://www.astralgia.com/webportfolio/omnimoment/archives/antimatter/evolut.html


41 posted on 07/21/2007 12:09:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

No problem, thought I might of been infected.


42 posted on 07/21/2007 12:12:32 AM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Joe Miner

No one appreciates a visit from the STD florist... ;’)


43 posted on 07/21/2007 12:17:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Evolution in Your Face
by Patrick Huyghe
Omni
Lake Victoria, Africa's largest lake, is home to more than 300 species of cichlids. These fish, which are popular in aquariums, are deep-bodied and have one nostril, rather than the usual two, on each side of the head. Seismic profiles and cores of the lake taken by a team headed by Thomas C. Johnson of the University of Minnesota, reveal that the lake dried up completely about 12,400 years ago. This means that the rate of speciation of cichlid fishes has been extremely rapid: something on average of one new species every 40 years!
Fossils Show Corals Survived Past Warming
by Larry O'Hanlon
Discovery News
October 23, 2006
A critical reef-building coral that has been thought especially vulnerable to global warming of seas may not be so frail after all... The corals living from 7,300 to 9,500 years ago show geological evidence of enduring severe storms, salinity changes and temperature changes without any noticeable ill effects.

44 posted on 07/21/2007 12:18:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: CottShop

;’)


45 posted on 07/21/2007 12:23:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fairy shrimp hatched from eggs collected at the bottom of former water wells in Saudi Arabia.

meanwhile, in the ANTARCTIC:

http://www.meta-religion.com/Zoology/New_species/antarctic_ice.htm

Among the hundreds of specimens collected, the scientists identified 15 possible new species of shrimp-like amphipods, and four possible new species of cnidarians, organisms related to coral, jellyfish and sea anemones, the scientists said in a statement.

These specimens will be analyzed to determine whether they in fact are newly discovered species.

46 posted on 07/21/2007 12:33:54 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: zeugma
[.. When we get out and start exploring the solar system in a really big way in the next few hundred years, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we found life in several places off our planet. ..]

Life had to first somewhere, why not here?.. -Carl Sagan..

Enough monkeys with typewriters might eventually produce a RAP Song.. but monkeys seem to be smarter than that..

47 posted on 07/21/2007 12:42:43 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fairy shrimp? They couldn’t even find some hetero shrimp? Commies.


48 posted on 07/21/2007 12:50:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RightWhale
How old are you?
49 posted on 07/21/2007 1:37:34 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam

There’s also some real hot water in Iceland, which is parked over a heating grate.


50 posted on 07/21/2007 5:29:13 AM PDT by Graymatter (Homeschool.)
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