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Water Conservation Price Tiers Urged
Madison.com ^ | July 20, 2007 | Ben Hancock

Posted on 07/20/2007 6:23:46 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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1 posted on 07/20/2007 6:23:50 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

it’s a good way of punishing large households and families, too.


2 posted on 07/20/2007 6:25:06 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Gabz

TOTAL Nanny State Ping! Every d@mn day the Socialists in ‘The People’s Republik of Madistan’ find another way to frog-march us into hi-rise, shoe-box-sized apartments in the inner city where our every action is monitored “for the Common Good.”


3 posted on 07/20/2007 6:25:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: gusopol3

See my Post #3. You get it! :)


4 posted on 07/20/2007 6:26:02 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Creating yet another ‘crisis’ for an abundant resource.
5 posted on 07/20/2007 6:27:15 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

unfortunately, I’m also living it with a family of six, but I’m also just in the grasp of a cold-hearted monopoly capitalist.


6 posted on 07/20/2007 6:31:51 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What kind of money are they talking about? The city of Eureka Ca just replaced all the meters with electronic meters that are read by waving a wand over the box. Some day they will read them remotely. Water is very expensive here even though we have a lot of rain during the winter months and a great impound and collection system.


7 posted on 07/20/2007 6:33:51 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Have you ever checked out the un report on water conservation, worldwide?

Your eyes will bleed but it's worth the long read.

Water A shared Responsibility the united nations world water development report

It's in a html version. I avoid pdf whenever possible.

8 posted on 07/20/2007 6:37:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

We love our well.


9 posted on 07/20/2007 6:39:33 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
We love our well.

This will interest you. Our government hard at work to squeeze everything from us they can.

Government Meters On Private Water Wells Coming Paying Tax On Water You Already Own

10 posted on 07/20/2007 6:49:36 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: tubebender; All

(I’m not b*tchin’ at you...I’m just b*tchin’!)

It’s not about the money. It’s the “different prices for different types of families” that I object to. It’s the monitoring of my actions by the city. (Well, not MINE, but the clueless minions that are stupid enough to live within the City Limits.)

Thank GOD for my 300’ well filled with crisp, clean, country water!

And water SHOULD be expensive in CA. You all live in a freakin’ DESERT that shouldn’t be inhabitable by anything but tumbleweeds and lizards, were it not for piped in water. ;)

But...we have FIVE Great Lakes around us. They should be GIVING us free water...just like they should be GIVING you free electricity from solar panels and great sunshine all year long.

Every place has it’s natural resources, waterways, reasons for being inhabited. You should see the Arrowheads I’ve found at the pond on my folks’ property. The Indians knew to live near a fresh water supply, hundreds of years ago. So did Cavemen. And the Middle Easterners were lucky enough to be born over a seemingly endless supply of crude oil; life ain’t necessarily FAIR, but it is what it is.

The Socialists just want us under their thumb in EVERY aspect of our daily lives!

Pretty soon...no shower for YOU unless you rinse your hair in the filthy dishwater you just let go down the drain! No growing your own food because it takes WATER if it doesn’t rain enough...and anyway you should be BUYING your food from co-ops run by smelly hippies so the STATE can tax you in yet another way. No toilet that actually FLUSHES your waste away...you’ll need to compost your own poop. And remember...only ONE SQUARE of TP per void, LOL!

Sounds ridiculous? Hang around for another ten years...

(And again, I’m NOT b*tchin’ at you...I’m just b*tchin’!)


11 posted on 07/20/2007 6:52:28 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: processing please hold

“I avoid pdf whenever possible.”

Thank you! Bookmarked. I NEVER read pdf stuff. Drives me nuts. ;)


12 posted on 07/20/2007 6:53:19 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
“Making water more expensive for a household once it has used more than the normal share is an idea that is gaining some support in Madison.”

We’ve had this in Florida for some years. Originally introduced using the excuse of drought, it has persisted non-stop since introduced through periods of repeated hurricanes and almost universal flooding. The reality is that it was introduced to produce more revenue for Government and it will never go away.

The “tier” structure is such that to pay “base” rates you can’t use more water than a single person would use while living in a 900 sq/ft apartment. After that 1st tier, the rates climb exponentially. It’s not unusual for owners of modest sized homes to pay an average of $200/month for water.

There is no end to the greed of Government.

13 posted on 07/20/2007 6:54:49 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You're welcome.

I NEVER read pdf stuff. Drives me nuts.;)

Drives me nuts as well. I wish everything was html. :)

14 posted on 07/20/2007 6:55:41 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Gabz; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

Nanny State Ping! (Pinch-hitting for Gabz.)


15 posted on 07/20/2007 6:55:55 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You didn’t answer my question...
16 posted on 07/20/2007 7:00:00 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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“It’s not unusual for owners of modest sized homes to pay an average of $200/month for water.”

Yikes! Granted, I have to pay additional electric to use the well pump, but still. That cost is obscene!


17 posted on 07/20/2007 7:00:55 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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“You didn’t answer my question...”

They won’t tell us, yet. They have to implement their little “tiered plan” then they’ll spring the cost on everyone. That’s how it works in a Socialist Utopia. You tax the rich and redistribute the wealth to the “poor.” However, don’t the poor families generally have more kids? Won’t it all just even out in the long run anyway when you have a Mama and six kids living in an apartment using water, versus a Mom, Dad and two kids living in a McMansion using water? Will a large home REALLY use more water than someone in subsidized housing that hasn’t clue ONE about “conserving” on anything? Do you think the Landlords will pick up this cost out of the goodness of their hearts? LOL! Yeah. Sure.

“By comparison, Madison charges $2.86 for using 1,000 gallons of water. The average house in Madison uses 51,612 gallons per year.”

The average Madisonian pays $560.00 a year or so for water now. Anyone that uses more will be paying more. But anyone that uses LESS will not get a refund, nor even a pat on the back from anyone on the council.


18 posted on 07/20/2007 7:09:23 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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Thanks. That sucks if they won’t even give an estimate. For years Eureka had a summer “irrigation rate” for usage over a minimum amount. The idea was to promote green lawns and landscaping. They could do this because they signed a long term contact with the water district and had to pay for it even if it wasn’t used.

Then some pencil pushing City Manager convinced the council there was gold in that thar water and began charging for every drop. They make lots of money and 90% of the lawns dry up each summer. I have had water bills near $400 when I forgot to turn a sprinkler off over night. I now have mechanical timers on every faucet and I use a lot of drip irrigation also.

Keep in mind that Calif is 1200 miles from the Oregon border to the Mexico border and there are many climate zones.That is equal to about 10 eastern seaboard states. Humboldt and Del Norte counties are in the far north west corner. This is where the Redwoods grow in a near rain forest and there are 6 rivers that drain this region...

19 posted on 07/20/2007 7:29:34 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I smell rats. Normally, household water use is only a fraction of industrial/commercial and agricultural use.

But unethical politicians always emphasize household conservation, not to save water, but to “raise awareness”, which they consider just as, if not more, important.

It is a scummy trick, done by scummy people. Much like the low water use toilets that don’t work, but are now mandated by federal law. The amount of water saved is incidental, compared to other use.

In this case, local people should try and lay hands on actual water use in the area, and if industrial/commercial use and agricultural use are sky high compared to residential use, they should raise a ruckus in protest.


20 posted on 07/20/2007 7:53:49 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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