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Group searches for Bigfoot in Uinta Mountains
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 7/21/07 | AP

Posted on 07/21/2007 9:20:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

KAMAS, Utah

A group of about 45 people spent two days in the Uinta Mountains searching for the legendary Bigfoot.

Members of the Bigfoot Field Research Organization used sophisticated equipment such as parabolic microphones and night vision goggles to search for the beast on Thursday and Friday.

BFRO director Matt Moneymaker, a lawyer from Capistrano, Calif., said he founded the organization to be a clearinghouse for Bigfoot sightings nationwide. He says he once was as close as 15 feet from a Sasquatch in 1994 in Portage County, Ohio.

"Utah has a reputation of being a place with enough sightings and steep terrain where it is possible to see one," he said

However, acting Kamas District Ranger Dave Ream of the U.S. Forest Service said he was not aware of any Bigfoot sightings. He said that campers should be more worried about bears, which are coming closer than usual to campgrounds because of dry conditions and wildfires.

Still, those who say they have heard or seen Sasquatch are never quite the same.

Scott Taylor of Tacoma, Wash., says he saw a Bigfoot in 2005 while deer hunting on the coast of Washington.

"It's not like going out and watching deer and elk," said Taylor. "These are creatures that don't want to be seen. But when you see one, it changes your life forever."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: bigfoot; callingartbell; searches; uinta; utah
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1 posted on 07/21/2007 9:20:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
BFRO director Matt Moneymaker, a lawyer from Capistrano, Calif., said he founded the organization...

People actually pay this guy to search for Bigfoot. Moneymaker, indeed.

2 posted on 07/21/2007 9:21:24 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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Bigfoot Field Research Organization
http://www.bfro.net/


3 posted on 07/21/2007 9:21:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: NormsRevenge
BFRO director Matt Moneymaker, a lawyer from Capistrano, Calif., said he founded the organization...

People actually pay this guy to search for Bigfoot. Moneymaker, indeed.

4 posted on 07/21/2007 9:22:35 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Isn’t she retired and living in Florida?


5 posted on 07/21/2007 9:22:59 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Was driving East on US 6 today in Utah. Saw a female bear and cub drinking from a pond next to the highway. I have never seen a bear that close to a major highway before.


6 posted on 07/21/2007 9:23:16 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: everyone

I find it hard to believe that Bigfoot was seen in Ohio.
The Washington coast and the Utah mountains are another matter.


7 posted on 07/21/2007 9:23:54 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: bnelson44

Wow! Where on U.S. 6? I was on that road once as a kid.


8 posted on 07/21/2007 9:24:52 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
The Washington coast and the Utah mountains are another matter.

Well if I were you I wouldn't pay anyone for a BF expedition even in WA or UT. :-)

9 posted on 07/21/2007 9:28:40 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: California Patriot

Not far out of Spanish Fork, around Gomex


10 posted on 07/21/2007 9:31:01 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: jazusamo

I wouldn’t. But I think there’s a fair chance this creature exists.


11 posted on 07/21/2007 9:40:53 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: bnelson44

More central. Not sure I was ever there. Well, thanks. I’ll look this up in my atlas.


12 posted on 07/21/2007 9:41:21 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: inkling

I’m willing to search for bigfoot too if people will pay for it. I intend to start the search in Las Vegas and then comb the beaches of Bermuda or the Bahamas....


13 posted on 07/21/2007 9:47:37 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Angelas; presidio9; Idisarthur; Hegemony Cricket; A knight without armor; ...

14 posted on 07/21/2007 9:49:52 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course they exist. And Bush took down the twin towers to start a war to reward Halliburton and Big Oil.


15 posted on 07/21/2007 10:00:00 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: NormsRevenge

Does it not strike anyone as strange, that a skeleton of anything resembling an animal the size and shape of “Big Foot” has NEVER been found?

Not even ONE!..... NEVER!..... Anywhere on the planet!

Yet — folks still believe....
These folks must have such awful lives that they create a fantasy to experience....


16 posted on 07/21/2007 10:03:58 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

It is strange that no skeleton has been found. But it’s equally strange that so many people claim to have seen Bigfoot. Are they ALL lying, confused, or delusional?


17 posted on 07/21/2007 10:32:42 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: NormsRevenge
They're unlikely to find Bigfoot.

They will find;
18 posted on 07/21/2007 10:33:14 PM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: California Patriot
"Are they ALL lying, confused, or delusional?"

You can ask that in a country that elected Clinton twice, nearly elected Gore and Kerry.......and believed that nappy headed lying whore in Durham?

There are more than enough lunatics, dumb asses, liars and frauds in America to keep any fantasy going for centuries...

The total lack of ANY physical evidence SHOULD be enough to expose the myth as simply that.....a myth.

19 posted on 07/21/2007 10:41:31 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

You’ll have to do better than that.


20 posted on 07/21/2007 10:46:29 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot

For YOU perhaps.....but not for me..


21 posted on 07/21/2007 10:48:14 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

The late Grover Krantz:

“The most common question asked by skeptics is, ‘If the sasquatch exists, why don’t we find its bones?’ If it is a viable species consisting of thousands of individuals, then dozens of them are certainly dying every year. Most people think this means that someone should stumble across one of their skeletons now and then. Our museums are full of the skeletons of other animals, why not this one? No wildlife biologists will ask this question because they all know the answer... Most animal deaths may be divided into two categories, abrupt and delayed, with only a few questions in between. An abrupt death is when the animal is killed by a predator or by another natural event... A delayed death is when the animal succumbs to old age, starvation, or illness; in this case the individual can and will carefully choose the place where its death occurs... They are then quickly reduced to skeletons by carrion eaters of all sizes, from mammals to microbes. Carnivores’ bones will end up hidden under a cover of vegetation... they are almost never seen in nature. I have yet to meet anyone who has found the remains of a bear that was not killed by human activity. (A self-proclaimed naturalist once told me that he finds puma skeletons frequently; if this is true, he has a skill that no field biologist even remotely approaches) ...Someone once calculated that if all the bison skeletons from the last 40,000 years were still here, the Great Plains would be thirty feet deep in stacked bone... Frequencies of footprints suggest that there are now at least a hundred bears for every one sasquatch, and dead bears are almost never found... Desirable as it may be, the discovery of the remains of a naturally dead sasquatch is about the least likely possibility of demonstrating their existence. If someone could devise a method to locate the remains of large numbers of dead bears, then perhaps some sasquatch remains will eventually be found as well.” [Big Footprints, pp 9-11]


22 posted on 07/21/2007 10:53:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

If he’s right about dead bears, this is a very good answer to the complaint that no remains have been found. Bottom line, they’re too damned rare.


23 posted on 07/21/2007 11:05:23 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: everyone

Also, sasquatches, if they exist, are not killed abruptly;
Only a lion or possibly a bear could kill one, and lions aren’t likely to be found in heavily forested areas. Bears are slower. And if there’s a sasquatch, it’s clearly smarter than any other animal at least in North America.


24 posted on 07/21/2007 11:08:02 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: SunkenCiv
"...dead bears are almost never found."

Perhaps not in New York City or San Francisco -- but there are THOUSANDS of "dead bears" registered annually by hunters, and bones of bears are found in caves, sink holes, after forest fires and as road kill.

With most of America covered by hunters, fishermen, hikers, climbers, trail bikes, ATVs and whatever -- not ONE one has ever come out of the boondocks with ANY physical evidence or photograph that was credible to scientists".

The writer of the article you quoted - could have answered his own question about the absence of Bison bones on the plains with just a little research..
http://www.kshs.org/research/topics/business/essay.htm

Collecting bones was a BIG business in the 1800s....

"Another industry sprang from the slaughter of buffalo. Bone pickers were paid $4 to $6 a ton for the dried buffalo bones. Shipped east, the bones were then ground and used in the manufacture of fertilizer, combs, dice, buttons, and bone china dishes. Some homesteaders used this business to supplement their farm income."

25 posted on 07/21/2007 11:25:09 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: California Patriot
"Bears are slower."

You need to stay out of Grizzly country...

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/yell/vol14-1-2a.htm

"Ernest Thompson Seton, in his "Lives of Game Animals," has the following to say regarding the speed of the grizzly.

"Swift too, is he, in amazing measure for his build. Those who form their idea of a bear's speed from watching a hulking, slouching prisoner, are sure to be amazed at the real thing. For 50 or 100 yards a Grizzly can go faster than any horse, and keep it up indefinitely. It is well known that in the spring of the year, the Indian ponies that have wintered out and are poor, very commonly become the prey of the Grizzly, who can now catch them on the open plain. Townsend tells of a wounded Grizzly that pursued closely a man on horseback for half a mile, snapping at the horse's heels, and apparently would have captured the object of his wrath but for a timely volley from the man's comrades.

"J. M. Mackenzie describes the famous Grizzly, Clubfoot, as able to keep pace with a horse going downhill, but not uphill.

"In view of this, it will be seen how absurd it is for any man to think that he may escape from a Grizzly by simply running.

"Wright says, 'The Grizzly can outrun the Black Bear by nearly half, no man can match him in speed, and it takes a pretty good horse to catch him.'"

26 posted on 07/21/2007 11:31:25 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: California Patriot
"Bottom line, they’re too damned rare."

"Rare" implies seldom or not often found.

In the case of "Big Foot", since it has NEVER been found - the term "rare" is inappropriate...

Never found, unproved or nonexistent is more appropriate..

27 posted on 07/21/2007 11:39:18 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought they were all working for Geico?


29 posted on 07/22/2007 2:54:32 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: river rat
--"In view of this, it will be seen how absurd it is for any man to think that he may escape from a Grizzly by simply running.--

--that of course, being why you always should have a partner in grizzly country--you don't need to outrun the bear--you need only to outrun the partner--

30 posted on 07/22/2007 3:20:10 AM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: California Patriot
"Are they ALL lying, confused, or delusional?"

Any question on that look at the results of any election...

31 posted on 07/22/2007 3:39:00 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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To: river rat

I agree with you, big game hunters would have found tracks if this thing did exist. Period. End of Story.


32 posted on 07/22/2007 3:39:15 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let’s assume they run across Ol’ Satchie, other than needing an immediate change of underwear... what are they going to do?

Will they all charge after this hairy, 7’ tall, smelly beast and wrestle him to the ground?

Will they just say “We come in peace” and offer him their lunch and some Kool Aide?

Or will Ol’ Satchie just look at them and say “All right, I’ve about had it up to here with you people, I’m filing a restraining order against all of you for stalking”

In any case, this inquiring mind wants to know


33 posted on 07/22/2007 4:53:50 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: SunkenCiv
I have yet to meet anyone who has found the remains of a bear that was not killed by human activity. (A self-proclaimed naturalist once told me that he finds puma skeletons frequently; if this is true, he has a skill that no field biologist even remotely approaches...

I've spent a lot (and I do mean a lot) of time in the fields and forests of the upper Midwest over the course of my life and I've found a young moose carcass taken down by wolves and that of a young buck whitetail. Both animals were in fairly recent states of decay and the smell is what led me to the moose. In addition, I've found numerous antlers in various states but ALL were severely gnawed by rodents. In a purely subjective opinion, I'd say the odds of an average hiker or hunter stumbling upon the remains of ANY animal was small to none. Nature, as this guy points out, soon erases all traces of even the biggest critters.
34 posted on 07/22/2007 5:31:16 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: river rat
Collecting bones was a BIG business in the 1800s....

"Another industry sprang from the slaughter of buffalo. Bone pickers were paid $4 to $6 a ton for the dried buffalo bones. Shipped east, the bones were then ground and used in the manufacture of fertilizer, combs, dice, buttons, and bone china dishes. Some homesteaders used this business to supplement their farm income."

You missed the point, the late Dr. said animals "not killed by man." All of those Bison bones you are speaking of were from animals killed by man in a short period of time during the great slaughter of the Buffalo in the 1870s. He was speaking of the millions of bones that should have been there collecting on the plains during the last 40,000 years but weren't.

35 posted on 07/22/2007 7:01:06 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Group searches for Bigfoot in Uinta Mountains

I didn't know Janet Reno (Sasquatch) had moved to Utah


36 posted on 07/22/2007 7:24:40 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: California Patriot

Vanishingly rare. Glad to see someone with some reading comprehension, it’s refreshing. Shortly before his death, Krantz had a revised edition of his book, I recommend the first edition because I’ve read it, but the revised edition is probably also good.


37 posted on 07/22/2007 7:49:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Exactly.


38 posted on 07/22/2007 8:04:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Thanks.


39 posted on 07/22/2007 8:08:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: California Patriot
Like wild turkeys and coyotes and Canadian geese, Bigfoot is not only thriving but learning to cope with Homo sapiens.

We really don’t grasp the resurgance of wild life into very urban areas. Coons and possums and other such nocturnal creatures live comfortably is suburban neighborhoods.

Beaver, gone for decades, now inhabit eastern streams and lakes.

Bigfoot in Ohio is not too much of a stretch.

40 posted on 07/22/2007 8:17:31 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: SunkenCiv
I live in an extremely rural area, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find an area in the lower 48 more isolated than this, with thousands of square miles of wilderness and open Federal land. In over 40 years of hiking, hunting, fishing and exploring this vast area, I have never come across the bones or even the claw of a bear, yet I see them all the time. Two huge black bears ran within 50 yards my brother and I just two weeks ago while we were fishing (we almost jumped in the lake).

For the other poster to say that "most of America [is] covered by hunters, fishermen, hikers, climbers, trail bikes, ATVs..." and thus someone should have found bones of a Bigfoot by now is wrong. Most folks do not venture off the beaten path, whether it is a trail or dirt road and most animals go to die in heavy brush or are carried there to be eaten by predators. How may bird bones does one find in his own backyard? With all the birds flying about, there should be thousands of bird skeletons all over the place.

41 posted on 07/22/2007 8:50:16 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
"He was speaking of the millions of bones that should have been there collecting on the plains during the last 40,000 years but weren't."

Those "old" bones are probably in the same place as the millions of years worth of dinosaur bones from the animals that wondered upon our plains..........buried by overlay, consumed or disintegrated by weather action....

Notice that the Big Foot believer didn't ask why we haven't found any of the bones from dinosaurs that have been dead for ions?
Because we HAVE -- yet we haven't found even ONE piece of physical evidence for "Big Foot"....

Without evidence - believers in Big Foot appear to be Big Fools.

42 posted on 07/22/2007 9:57:16 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

There is indeed evidence. Read this:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~nathist/Site/giganto.html


43 posted on 07/22/2007 10:01:32 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: California Patriot
Bears are slower.

Slower that what? Certainly not man.

Running Speed: Lean bears can exceed 30 mph. Can run uphill, downhill, or on level ground. Fat bears in winter coats overheat and tire quickly.

Black Bear Facts

44 posted on 07/22/2007 10:33:44 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: WorkingClassFilth; SunkenCiv
In a purely subjective opinion, I'd say the odds of an average hiker or hunter stumbling upon the remains of ANY animal was small to none. Nature, as this guy points out, soon erases all traces of even the biggest critters.

I would not go as far as your statement- It is not uncommon to find deer and elk kill sites (I am in the Rockies). It is less common to find a moose or bear though, as their populations are much smaller.

But I will defend your comment in it's general sense. In particular I would point out that a carcass is naturally disarticulated in a very short period of time- In the course of a couple weeks all that is left is scattered bone and hair.

With the exception of the skull (which is often times dragged away), and considering the natural bias against crypto-zoological creatures, I find it quite plausible that the remains of such a creature might be misidentified by the non-critical eye of a casual observer.

Even so, it is the skull that would stand against your statement. Skulls can last for years in the wild, and especially the skull of a large animal. It seems unlikely that a skull has not been found in all these years.

It is also unlikely that one has not been killed by a hunter, considering the notoriety such a kill would bring.

That being said:

Once while I was in the deep woods I was awakened by a long mournful cry that raised the hair on my neck. The cry was repeated twice more and then fell silent. For the life of me I do not know what made that eerie sound, but my normally fearless dog tried to crawl into the sleeping bag with me, and spent the remainder of the night huddled against me.

Something VERY out-of-the-ordinary was out there.

That experience leaves me open to the idea of Bigfoot's existence, even when considering the odds against it.

-Bruce

45 posted on 07/22/2007 10:35:12 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Build the fence. Enforce the law.)
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To: bert

I guess if they’re as intelligent as other great apes (or more intelligent, probably), they could manage in unlikely places like Ohio. Might have come down from the north woods, I guess.


46 posted on 07/22/2007 2:36:35 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: river rat

I know grizzlies are fast. But I assume they’re slightly slower than mountain lions. Am I wrong?


47 posted on 07/22/2007 2:39:36 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
It is strange that no skeleton has been found.

Did you stop to think that maybe they never die? Huh?
48 posted on 07/22/2007 2:45:26 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: NormsRevenge

I didn’t know Janet Reno moved to Utah!


49 posted on 07/22/2007 2:47:24 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: Popman
LOL! Great minds think alike!
50 posted on 07/22/2007 2:49:19 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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