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C2CAM: Tonight's Show [DC Madam on now]
CoasttoCoastAM.com ^ | 7/22/07

Posted on 07/21/2007 10:08:18 PM PDT by advance_copy

In the first hour, Ian chats with Deborah J. Palfrey, the 'D.C. Madam' who had all of her assets seized by the IRS.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dcmadam
Ian Punnet will interview the DC Madam - starting right now. This could be interesting. She's on to complain about government prosecutorial abuse.
1 posted on 07/21/2007 10:08:23 PM PDT by advance_copy
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To: advance_copy

She picked a good place to complain about a gov’t cospiracy!!


2 posted on 07/21/2007 10:10:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: advance_copy

I have more sympathy for her than Tammy Faye... At least her customers got what they paid for. ;)


3 posted on 07/21/2007 10:12:59 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Paulfrey on being called “DC Madam”: “I have been called far worse.”

Ian asked her about having her assets seized by the IRS. Madam says the government froze all her money and left her penniless. “They kept pushing and pushing for me to plea out.”

This interview may be leading to an effort by some in the government to get hold of dirt on people in DC (such as elected politicians).


4 posted on 07/21/2007 10:20:10 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy

Why exactly does the government care what she and her clients were doing?


5 posted on 07/21/2007 10:27:27 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

From what she said, the government got a search warrant after she closed her “business” and then wired $70k to Germany where she was buying a condo and was planning to “retire”.

I don’t know if the g-men were all that off base. Someone running an escort service in DC (whose clientel included at least one U.S. Senator) all of the sudden deciding to move out of the country... There could be far more to the story than she’s letting on.


6 posted on 07/21/2007 10:31:38 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy
Someone running an escort service in DC (whose clientel included at least one U.S. Senator) all of the sudden deciding to move out of the country... There could be far more to the story than she’s letting on.

An interesting angle I haven't considered..

7 posted on 07/21/2007 10:32:52 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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Yet they don’t publicly out terrorist supporters in this country.


8 posted on 07/21/2007 10:35:53 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Do you have to be an a** on every thread?

I’m no fan of Tammy Faye, but your stupid comments are getting annoying. The woman just passed away. At least show some class, even if you didn’t care for her.


9 posted on 07/21/2007 10:36:19 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Shortstop7

“I’m no fan of Tammy Faye, but your stupid comments are getting annoying. The woman just passed away. At least show some class, even if you didn’t care for her.”

Are you stalking me across threads?

Guess what bubba. In life, sometimes you will run into opinions that you don’t like.

The solution isn’t to seek out more words from the people you don’t like, and then call them names because you availed yourself of them.

Pretty pathetic - asking someone to show class while calling them an ass. How about taking a little of your own advice to heart - stalking and name calling are not too classy.


10 posted on 07/21/2007 10:44:37 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: advance_copy

Palfrey: “The girls were instructed not to engage in any illegal sexual behavior... I told these girls not to behave in any criminal fasion, they signed a contract.”


11 posted on 07/21/2007 10:47:55 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Don't flatter yourself. As if your comments were worth the time. I just read through the thread about Tammy's death, and this thread was at the top. You, had to make a stupid comment about Tammy Faye, on a totally unrelated story. I calls them as I see them. Total lack of class.
12 posted on 07/21/2007 10:50:40 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: advance_copy

If she paid the taxes due on the income she made I have no problem with her “occupation”. I think the thought of her leaving the country along with her “little black book” scared the bejesus out a lot of high profile clients.


13 posted on 07/21/2007 10:53:25 PM PDT by GravityFree (Death is not the end, nor the beginning of the end, but only the end of the beginning.)
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To: advance_copy
RELATED STORY

D.C. Madam: Navy officer was an escort

WASHINGTON, July 22 (UPI) -- The woman who has become notorious as the "D.C. Madam" says a female Navy officer stationed in Annapolis worked for her escort service.

Deborah Jeane Palfrey told The Baltimore Sun the officer charged $275 an hour for "erotic fantasy services."

Palfrey denies promoting prostitution, saying she simply provided escorts and did not know if her clients obtained sexual services. She made her telephone records public after a federal investigation was opened into her business.

The Sun said a number Palfrey identified as the naval officer's appears hundreds of times in her phone records.

"Her name is splattered throughout the records," Palfrey said. "We would not talk to each other if the girl wasn't working."

Palfrey said she would never tell clients that an escort was a military officer.

The scandal has already snared two powerful clients -- Sen. David Vitter, R-La., and Randall Tobias, who resigned as deputy secretary of state.

14 posted on 07/21/2007 10:56:08 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

I’m sorry. Did I miss something in the link? Was there something about Tammy Faye that I didn’t see?

I didn’t know her. But, on PTL, in 1975, her voice singing songs of praise were a major help to me, as I was losing a child. Please do not ridicule that or sell short what she was able to do for so many others. Thank you.


15 posted on 07/21/2007 11:01:16 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Shortstop7

“Don’t flatter yourself. As if your comments were worth the time. I just read through the thread about Tammy’s death, and this thread was at the top. You, had to make a stupid comment about Tammy Faye, on a totally unrelated story. I calls them as I see them. Total lack of class.”

You’re right, in signing off your message as “Total lack of class.”


16 posted on 07/21/2007 11:08:57 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: advance_copy
Q: More Congressmen on the list?
Palfrey: There may be
Q: Judges?
Palfrey: None that I know of.

Palfrey mentions other "candidates" - Dick Morris, Harlan Ullman (sp?).

17 posted on 07/21/2007 11:15:46 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GravityFree
Palfrey now speculating that blackmail resulted from her business. She says her attorneys talked with "intel" types who suggested that some DC people were compromised as a result of her service.

She claims that this is the reason she released the phone numbers, so that anyone on the list would be already revealed to prevent further blackmail.

Palfrey also says that Dick Morris "did use my service". No big surprise there.
18 posted on 07/21/2007 11:18:20 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy
Palfrey says she's going to fight. Facing 55 years in prison. Says she has superb lawyers.
19 posted on 07/21/2007 11:20:07 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Shortstop7
your stupid comments were annoying...At least show some class

Oh, I thought it was just the Tammy thread...

But now I see you are over here disciplining this thread as well.

I'll be careful over here.

20 posted on 07/21/2007 11:22:34 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: Ken H

Oh, man. Her trial, if it comes to that, is gonna be a hoot.


21 posted on 07/21/2007 11:22:48 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy

What amazes me is that they are trying to punish her for compromising behavior on their part. Sounds just like big government to me.


22 posted on 07/21/2007 11:23:24 PM PDT by GravityFree (Death is not the end, nor the beginning of the end, but only the end of the beginning.)
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To: GravityFree

I’ve got to question whether it was a legal “escort service” as she claims. If the prosecutor has one or two girls who worked for her that claim she quietly encouraged them to sell sex, she is toast.


23 posted on 07/21/2007 11:31:05 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy

I don’t think there’s any doubt that she was running a prostitution ring. The fun is going to begin when more of the phone numbers get traced and she starts calling people as defense witnesses.


24 posted on 07/21/2007 11:36:58 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("By the simple exercise of our will, we can exert a power for good practically unbounded, etc, etc.")
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To: GravityFree

>>>What amazes me is that they are trying to punish her for compromising behavior on their part. Sounds just like big government to me.

So there are no laws against prostitution ? There are no federal laws that cover interstate activities in support of prostitution and conspiracy to commit ? Guess again. We’ve had those since the days of small government.

I salute the lady’s imagination and ingenuity in manufacturing a myth that being charged under decades old statutes make her the biggest martyr since Cindy Sheehan against the evil Bush and Chaney regime. She is an absolute guardian of the constitution, I’m impressed. Someone crackpots can rally around, as being on Coast to Coast attests.

And ps, the earlier post slamming Tammy Faye was very shabby. I seem to see a lot of posts like that these days. And not only from people who signed on in December 2006.


25 posted on 07/21/2007 11:40:44 PM PDT by tlb
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To: advance_copy
Oh, man. Her trial, if it comes to that, is gonna be a hoot.

She's going to have a subpoena list a mile long. AFAIK, her defense team can make their information public if they so choose. This could be developing into a real hot potato for DC.

26 posted on 07/21/2007 11:45:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SergeiRachmaninov

Say what?

You haven’t even posted on this thread. Yet, you’re calling me out?

Sheesh. What lame trolls you two are.


27 posted on 07/21/2007 11:47:45 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: advance_copy

Colleen Rowley (former FBI agent who investigated 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui) is on now. She’s a Bush-hater and a Huffington Post-blogging PNAC conspiracy nut.


28 posted on 07/21/2007 11:50:21 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: tlb
She is an absolute guardian of the constitution, I'm impressed.

Not sure about the guardian part, but it looks like she means to vigorously exercise her Fifth Amendment right to "a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence".

29 posted on 07/22/2007 12:15:14 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: advance_copy
Deborah Jeanne Palfrey's gives her side of the story at her Legal Defense Fund website
30 posted on 07/22/2007 12:23:39 AM PDT by mukraker
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To: tlb

I remind you, in order for there to have been a crime committed, there must be a victim. The common element of all criminal law is, that, without a victim there is no crime. This is usually the case when you find yourself charged in actions brought by a government agency or bureaucrat, in the interest of the state or “the common good of the community.” In many of these cases, there is, indeed, no victim. No victim, no crime.


31 posted on 07/22/2007 12:28:42 AM PDT by mukraker
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To: tlb
As for your assertion that crackpots can rally around, as being on Coast to Coast attests ...

Not everyone that listens with an open mind is a crackpot. There is a reason C2C is the #1 overnight radio program. Youmay not agree with all the ideas brought forth on C2C, but it does delve deeply into stories and the people relating them. Guests such as Dr. Michiu Kaku, the world's leading scientists in string theory (e=mc2), aren't exactly crackpots.

32 posted on 07/22/2007 12:36:52 AM PDT by mukraker
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To: mukraker

You cannot accurately assert that there is no victim in the crime of prostition. There are the wives and children of the johns, the parents and other loved ones of the whore.

It’s not as though there is a victim in every act of prostitution, everybody involved directly and indirectly may be perfectly fine with it.

But there is not a victim in every act of DUI, either. Yet we as a society cannot allow it, because it is a danger to the society overall. The same is true about prostitution.

Finally, it is a little-understood fact that the law does not exist for the benefit of a victim. The law acts on behalf of the state in order to maintain the well being of everybody.

Prostitution (at least in DC) is against the law. That does not mean somebody gets hurt every time it happens. But prostitution run rampant in DC or anywhere hurts everybody.


33 posted on 07/22/2007 12:38:29 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: mukraker
Oh man. On her main page she has a link where you can "Search the Telephone Records", and another link which says "let us know what you find".

She is giving both the First and Fifth Amendment a workout!

34 posted on 07/22/2007 12:46:04 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: advance_copy
"Prostitution (at least in DC) is against the law."

How does one explain all the whores and whore mongers in Congress?

35 posted on 07/22/2007 1:13:43 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Ken H; mukraker

>>>but it looks like she means to vigorously exercise her Fifth Amendment right to “a compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence”.

And who deprived her of either? That has no bearing on the red meat she is throwing out for the conspiracy kooks, trying to change the focus from her indictment as a pimp, into a Rosie O’Donnell type moonbat carnival.

>>>Not everyone that listens with an open mind is a crackpot

Of course they aren’t. I think its main audience component is people who just enjoy the freak show, similar to Rosie on the View. But the ones who ARE, that’s the basic target audience in the pimp lady’s campaign to muddy the water on Coast to Coast and any other sympathetic venue she can find.

Again, I salute her. It’s clever. Reminds me of mafia boss Crazy Joe Gallo’s campaign against the FBI, crying to the press it was a racist anti-Italian conspiracy to charge him with Cosa Nostra crimes. His storyline was by fighting the charges against him he defended all Italians and stood up to the real (Italian hating) government criminals. He led protest marches with thousands of well-wishers and became a hero to the crackpots of the day. Worked real well for him too, up to the point rival Mafiosi gunned him down at one of those same rallies.

Maybe the pimp lady will learn from his mistake and avoid calling for DU/Moveon/Coast to Coast listener rallies.

One last thought, she suggests the government wanted her phone numbers to blackmail people. Does anybody think they couldn’t have gotten them from the phone companies?


36 posted on 07/22/2007 1:32:04 AM PDT by tlb
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To: river rat

I agree. Read my tagline!


37 posted on 07/22/2007 2:28:59 AM PDT by packrat35 (PIMP my Senate. They're all a bunch of whores anyway!)
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To: tlb
That has no bearing on the red meat she is throwing out for the conspiracy kooks, trying to change the focus from her indictment as a pimp, into a Rosie O'Donnell type moonbat carnival.

It does promise to be a circus. Nevertheless, I'm not conviced it's a bad legal strategy.

One last thought, she suggests the government wanted her phone numbers to blackmail people.

Are you sure she said that? I understood her to say that government agents told her defense team that people had been referred to her agency by unspecified parties for the purpose of later blackmail.

38 posted on 07/22/2007 3:51:39 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
should be: "I'm not convinced it's a bad legal strategy."
39 posted on 07/22/2007 3:53:38 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Rodney King
"Why exactly does the government care what she and her clients were doing?"

The Clintons run the IRS, so one interpretation is
that Palfrey is a threat to their return to the White House.
Not sure why, since of the thousands of men on the list, 100% are Republicans. [/s]

40 posted on 07/22/2007 4:20:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: advance_copy; mukraker
Finally, it is a little-understood fact that the law does not exist for the benefit of a victim. The law acts on behalf of the state in order to maintain the well being of everybody.

I believe that the problem is giving obsessive-compulsives unlimited taxpayer dollars to indulge their disorder...

41 posted on 07/22/2007 9:05:16 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: river rat; advance_copy
How does one explain all the whores and whore mongers in Congress?

I remember a thread from years ago where they were discussing where the best-looking women in the country tended to end up.

There was a lot of talk about Los Angeles and Las Vegas, but someone in the know fingered Washington, DC as the place to find the drop-dead knockouts.

Now, why would THAT be? ;-)

42 posted on 07/22/2007 9:08:39 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: advance_copy
I'n glad you're not an attorney. You have a very limited understanding of Law as it's practiced in our system.

Yes, actually I do assert that there is no victim in the act of prostition. Ther act itself cannot legally be criminal, as all parties directly involved do so consensually. Neither party is forced into the act against their will.

Where Prostitution is perceived as a crime is actually where it is a violation of a Legislative Decree. Under section 1-103 of the Uniform Commercuial Code, any party charged with a violation of such a Legislative Decree has the right to object to the Decree, the right to maintain their Common Law rights, and to maintain that they are not a party to the Decree.

As for your assertion that "the wives and children of the johns, the parents and other loved ones of the whore" are the victims, what if both parties are single consenting adults? When you make those who are not direct parties to the act a part of the act, you're using your prejudices to justify socialist concerns for society to mandate the actions of others, in violation of their Liberties.

If anything, the spouses, children, etc. of people involved in prostitution are victims of infidelity, not victims of prostitution.

43 posted on 07/24/2007 8:55:29 PM PDT by mukraker
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