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Ron Paul's Statement of Faith
The Covenent News ^ | July 21, 2007 | Rep. Ron Paul, MD.

Posted on 07/22/2007 5:09:49 AM PDT by lfrancis

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To: mkjessup
It gives me great pleasure to admit that I was wrong

You are one classy guy. I have come to verbal blows with a number of freepers on a number of issues, so the respect thing is not based on whether or not we agree. I have publicly stated that I am wrong on a number of issues, and I hope to do so in the future (how else can I say that I learn?).

The difference between the sincere posters and the trolls is, I believe, the ability to say, "you know, I think there is more to this than I thought."

The former is what makes this more than just a mudwrestling ego screamfest.

Thank you again, simply for being classy.

61 posted on 07/22/2007 12:22:53 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
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To: mkjessup

Thanks, my man.


62 posted on 07/22/2007 12:26:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; DreamsofPolycarp

Thank YOU.


63 posted on 07/22/2007 12:35:47 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: mkjessup

Please when you cater to Truthers, you shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office let alone a Number two pencil.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/225943.php

Ho Hum Can’t wait for the next Paul(y) Walnuts thread.


64 posted on 07/22/2007 1:47:34 PM PDT by philo
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To: ejonesie22

http://www.fairtax.org

read this and get back to me.


65 posted on 07/22/2007 1:57:53 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ovrtaxt

You must be kidding.


66 posted on 07/22/2007 2:03:07 PM PDT by CitizenAZ
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To: CitizenAZ

Yeah, a little.


67 posted on 07/22/2007 2:08:04 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ovrtaxt
OK, I have seen it before, but I looked again. I agree with it whole heartily both as an employee and a former business owner. I see nothing on business and trade other than business will finally be taxed fairly. The still need markets to peddle their wares. That has to come before their is any talk of taxes, there has to be somethig to tax.

So what does it have to do with anything we were talking about?

68 posted on 07/22/2007 2:10:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: ovrtaxt

..one of the finest written documents produced by free men—but to put it on the same plane as Holy Writ—no...


69 posted on 07/22/2007 2:13:17 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: ejonesie22

The fairtax would make globalism irrelevant, insofar as our need to engage it. The rest of the planet would have to engage the US on our economic terms, if they wanted to deal with the greatest economic tax haven and investment powerhouse the planet has ever seen. Further, they would be compelled to institute similar freedom based economic environments if they wanted to survive long term, because without a doubt, some other visionary nations would. It’s nationalistic and free at the same time, to the benefit of free citizens.

Globalism is not a necessary reality. There are ways to overcome it without jeopardizing our sovereignty on one hand, and our propserity on the other.

But a plan like the Fairtax wouldn’t provide the elites with the leverage they need to gain power over us. They would simply become one of us, and that’s apparently not good enough for them.


70 posted on 07/22/2007 2:22:57 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: WalterSkinner

Of course not- not the same thing. But inspired in the same way that, say, Amazing Grace or the Sistine Chapel was inspired.


71 posted on 07/22/2007 2:24:10 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: lfrancis
. . . to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

Wait a minute. I've been told he is an appeaser of our enemies, a surrender monkey, and every other "moonbat" name. These cannot possibly be his own words.

72 posted on 07/22/2007 2:24:18 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: lfrancis
. . .minimizing the costs in blood and treasure . . .

Can't have that. No sirree. These jihadists just woke up and decided to attack us for no reason, so let's spend everything we have to wipe them off the face of the earth. /s

73 posted on 07/22/2007 2:27:31 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ejonesie22
The sad thing is in taking those very strict stances he aligns himself with the looney left.

The concurrence is exceedingly limited here. Two different worlds when it comes to repsect for human life and natural law.

74 posted on 07/22/2007 2:31:18 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ovrtaxt
Globalism? We have to accept the fact that the rights we enjoy have been bestowed from Above. As such they do not end where our borders end. These ideals will, and do, hold sway in many places where we wish peacefully to do business, even if it means doing business with people who differ significantly in what it means to be “free.”

There are good business people in these countries you may, at least on the surface, despise. If a few of them want to raise chickens in their backyard or rebuild engines on their kitchen tables I have no problem with that (within reason).

If there were a way to equitably equalize the disparities evidenced in Mexican and (less pronouncedly) Canadian economic practices, then there is little reason to discourage a more transparent relationship between the three. The natural resources north and south of us are incredible, and the people on either side are, by and large, not nearly as stupid as liberal Democrats.

75 posted on 07/22/2007 2:45:51 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
If there were a way to equitably equalize the disparities evidenced in Mexican and (less pronouncedly) Canadian economic practices

There is. Competition.

If the populations of these countries refuse to rise up and demand freedom from control freaks, they don't deserve it.

At least, that's what Ben Franklin said about certain colonists.

76 posted on 07/22/2007 2:50:37 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Wait a minute. I've been told he is an appeaser of our enemies, a surrender monkey, and every other "moonbat" name. These cannot possibly be his own words.

A-ha! You see Paul has been programmed by Al Qaida to say this, so when he's elected it'll activate the terror cells here, and (Voice of Lex Luther here) The United States will be destroyed!

77 posted on 07/22/2007 3:08:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: philo
Ho Hum Can’t wait for the next Paul(y) Walnuts thread.

Whatever gets you through the night.
78 posted on 07/22/2007 4:01:27 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: ovrtaxt
OK we are not that far off, just coming from different angles and perhaps minor variations in terms.

First in thinking of taxes and the fair tax or reduction and /or elimination of corporate tax to generate interest in American markets, you are correct, I have thought of that myself, just in different terms. Fair tax needs work that in the site, I did not see it out or at least emphasis it more, it is a strong selling point to guys like me.

I think I can explain my thoughts better by saying globalization vs Globalism. I am by no means in favor of one world government (unless it’s all under the US, I think Japan would make a nice 51-55th state. OK just kidding, kind of... ;-)) or wide open boarders. However, having a big stake in global business is another issue, there are 6 billion customers out there vs 302 million here. As a capitalist I like those odds.

The point you made about fair tax would help keep that balance in our favor.

So control the boarder, but don’t lock us down against legal immigration and trade, and promote conservative capitalist ideals to the world. Make the processes, production and people work to our favor, our benefit (and theirs by default, even if they realize it)

79 posted on 07/22/2007 5:20:05 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Abcdefg; George W. Bush; OrthodoxPresbyterian

Abcdefg, using you as a launch pad ping for a couple of FReepers I didn’t see here that might be interested! Blackbird.


80 posted on 07/22/2007 6:16:10 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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