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US Force Not Ruled Out In Pakistan
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 7-22-2007 | Hope Yen

Posted on 07/22/2007 8:51:33 AM PDT by blam

US Force Not Ruled Out in Pakistan

Sunday July 22, 2007 4:16 PM

By HOPE YEN

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. would consider military force if necessary to stem al-Qaida's growing ability to use its hideout in Pakistan to launch terrorist attacks, a White House aide said Sunday.

The president's homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, said the U.S. was committed first and foremost to working with Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, in his efforts to control militants in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. But she indicated the U.S. was ready to take additional measures.

``Just because we don't speak about things publicly doesn't mean we're not doing things you talk about,'' Townsend said, when asked in a broadcast interview why the U.S. does not conduct special operations and other measures to cripple al-Qaida.

``Job No. 1 is to protect the American people. There are no options off the table,'' she said.

The national intelligence director, Mike McConnell, said he believed that Osama bin Laden was living in the tribal, border region of Pakistan. Bin Laden is the leader of the al-Qaida network and mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

McConnell said Musharraf's attempt at a political solution to peace in the region had backfired by giving al-Qaida a place and time to regroup.

``Al-Qaida has been able to regain some of its momentum,'' McConnell said. ``The leadership's intact. They have operational planners, and they have safe haven. The thing they're missing are operatives inside the United States.''

In the National Intelligence Estimate released last week, analysts stressed the importance of al-Qaida's increasingly comfortable hideout in Pakistan that has resulted from a hands-off accord between Musharraf and tribal leaders along the Afghan border.

That 10-month-old deal, which has unraveled in recent days, gave al-Qaida

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: force; pakistan; us

1 posted on 07/22/2007 8:51:35 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Special operations are the only thing I can see to use in Pakistan as far as military force. I do not think anyone in his right mind would invade Pakistan. If Pakistan fell to the Mullahs and they promulgate terrorism then maybe you could quarantine with a blockade.
2 posted on 07/22/2007 8:55:11 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: bilhosty

then maybe you could quarantine with a blockade

I say stand off and nuc them from orbit, it’s the only
way to be sure.

You can’t kill fire ants one at a time, you have to go for the nest...


3 posted on 07/22/2007 8:59:15 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bilhosty
Not to mention Pakistan already has nukes & has tested them!

...and we don't want Pakistan overthrown by muslim who would use them in a heartbeat.

4 posted on 07/22/2007 9:01:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: blam

It this quote is correct, it sounds like a fairly clear admission that Spec. Ops. are on-going in Paki.

I only hope they are expansive and lethal enough to make a difference.

This administration has done a lot to utilize and expand the role of SF within the military.


5 posted on 07/22/2007 9:06:10 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: blam
``Just because we don't speak about things publicly doesn't mean we're not doing things you talk about,''

Mr. Townsend likely shouldn't even have said this from his official position -

And yet plenty need to understand this....

6 posted on 07/22/2007 9:13:06 AM PDT by DevSix
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To: DevSix
Drinking Coffee Mr. Townsend likely shouldn't even have said this from his official position

Who's Mr. Townsend?

7 posted on 07/22/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct.)
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To: blam

Al Queda will operate wherever they are given safe harbor and sanctuary. Pakistan is an explosive country with radical Islam pretty much running the show. The government shows some force but not enough to really make any progress. Just the killing of the radicals in the Mosque triggered riots recently. The instability of the government prevents them from taking out the enemies of stability.
And Pakistan is nuclear. Loss of control by the current government could place nukes right under the control of Al Queda. Those are the consequences if we don’t act.
But to the rest of the world, since we are the remaining superpower, we would appear to be bullies and those people would resent us more for taking away what little stability they have in their lives. Right or wrong.

Just like now in Iraq. To the people in Iraq, we caused their mess, and now they expect us to fix it. To the simple minded people, they had it much better before Americans came in to force “Democracy” on them.

Back to the article. If we don’t take out Al Queda wherever they operate, we are guaranteed technological barbarism in the 20th Century. We have no choice but to take them out wherever and whenever we can. But that is only going to prolong this inevitable cultural and religous war sweeping the world.


8 posted on 07/22/2007 9:56:58 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: o_zarkman44
We need to kill senior level AQ HVTs, along with senior level Pak Taliban types.....(while in the shadows looking to provide support to the larger section of Pashtuns who'd rather be left alone....by all involved. That being AQ elements and us).

We need to be putting more of both of our (U.S.) guns and butter directly into these Pak border regions. Guns at those who we want dead....and butter for those who get out of our way.....

As for the Pak Gov't "controlling" these border regions - Not going to happen - They don't have the ability to do so - Simple as that - Though, they can do more and squeezing them, then they have been....or at helping to put us on HVTs

Regarding the concerns over radical Jihadists types taking over Pak - It's unlikely - The Jihadists / Pak-Taliban types have strong support virtually only in the border regions.....The Pak military isn't about to "share" power with them....The Pak "moderates" make up a sizable share to boot.....No, AQ/Taliban elements have very little chance of taking over Pak in all likelihood.

Though they do have much support within the border regions - From which to cause serious problems from - But that is different altogether from taking over the Gov't of Pak - (hell, there is a war within these Jihadists themselves over this exact issue - Should they be fighting the Pak Gov't (of which the Islamic Jihad Group (IJG) is demanding...and broke away from the Pak-Taiban & the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) over) - This is what led to much of the "red on red" supposed fighting that took place in the Pak border region earlier this year.

You also have the ISI (Sr. players) that have strong loyalties to Musharraff. Musharraff also have a great deal of support throughout the Pak Mil HQs...

9 posted on 07/22/2007 10:16:48 AM PDT by DevSix
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To: DevSix
The U.S. would consider military force if necessary to stem al-Qaida’s growing ability to use its hideout in Pakistan to launch terrorist attacks, a White House aide said Sunday.

If necessary? Does that mean we wait until they are in the Kabul area before we take out the staging areas?

10 posted on 07/22/2007 10:52:13 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Recon Dad
Reality is we’ve already do so a number of times - This admission from an NS adviser isn't’ all that new.....But likely said out loud in such a manner to push a point....
11 posted on 07/22/2007 10:55:02 AM PDT by DevSix
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To: bilhosty
"Special operations are the only thing I can see to use in Pakistan as far as military force. "

My hillbilly fiance and I prefer saturation bombing of Taliban villages and strongholds, this way we might even kill the mothers and fathers who had these jihadi ba$t*rds.

12 posted on 07/22/2007 11:27:46 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (8 years of Clinton ,8 years of Bush leaves me in a country I don't recognize anymore)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Who's Mr. Townsend?

Second paragraph of the article:

The president's homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, said the U.S. was committed first and foremost to working with Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, in his efforts to control militants in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. But she indicated the U.S. was ready to take additional measures.

13 posted on 07/22/2007 11:32:25 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (THE TREE OF LIBERTY NEEDS TO BE WATERED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS!!!)
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To: gitmogrunt

” I prefer saturation bombing of Taliban villages”

That would make me feel better to.


14 posted on 07/22/2007 12:05:30 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: bilhosty

How about nuke it and make it uninhabitable for the foreseeable future?


15 posted on 07/22/2007 1:45:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: NRA2BFree
Drinking Coffee 
To: blam
``Just because we don't speak about things publicly doesn't mean we're not doing things you talk about,''

Mr. Townsend likely shouldn't even have said this from his official position -

And yet plenty need to understand this....

6 posted on 07/22/2007 11:13:06 AM CDT by DevSix
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Second paragraph of the article:

This is a picture of Homeland Security advisor Fran Townsend:  Call me crazy but it doesn't appear that 'Mr.' or 'his' describe her appropriately.  Again, who's Mr. Townsend?

16 posted on 07/22/2007 6:34:45 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct.)
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